Unelected Ukrainian Government Kills 5

[AA4142CA]

I am surprised you have the audacity to still post on the topic.
you actions on Maidan have led to this, but you were and still are too stupid to realize that every action has a reaction.
you kept telling me how I have no idea what is going on and not being there, but I was afraid for quite a while now that it would lead to a civil war. you dont need to be genius to realize that. and it has begun now. Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians.

You mean "ukrainians" that speak with russian accent? I haven't seen a single local funeral, which gives me idea that the corpses being sent home somewhere else.

I wonder what made you think that it will lead to a civil war. Did Orange Revolution 2004 in Kiev led to war? Or revolutions in Georgia or Moldova?

Maidan didn't lead to this. Watch this short "movie" shot at 2012 by people who are in charge of the separatists right now, and try to think differently... Ukraine 2015

As for le happening, hold your horses.

BBC News, Mariupol

On Thursday morning, Ukraine's Interior Minister Arsen Avakov updated his Facebook status with news that government troops had freed the administrative building in Mariupol. But when we got there the picture was very different.

The building is still surrounded by barricades made of barbed wire and tyres, and dozens of angry protesters are still in control of the entrance. Protesters said that soldiers and civilians stormed the building overnight. A fight broke out and police said five people were hurt.

Among the civilians, they said, was the mayor. His office confirmed he went into the building to "assess the situation", but would not give further details. Police here do not seem to know, or are not willing to disclose, much either. They told me they were treating what happened overnight as a "criminal incident" rather than an anti-terrorist operation - another sign that Kiev is struggling to control local law-enforcement.

 

[LC Shepard]

5 people who take over government buildings with weapons have been killed? :O Natural selection still works

 

[Scrody]

I would think d would approve of this. He's a Hitler apologist after all.

 

[WARserra]

If a group of secessionists took over a police station in any part of this country I wouldn't shed a tear if all of them got capped.

The people in the east standing in front of military vehicles crying "We're your fellow countrymen" are full of shit. If they were they wouldn't want to split off. The Russian propaganda has brainwashed these people.

 

[Err]

So, the undemocratically elected but populist government kills five separatists and you are up in arms...

but where were you when the democratically elected but unpopular government began shooting non-separatists peaceful protesters with live rounds?

Big D was the biggest supporter of protestors trying to oust Yanukovich. He fervently supported them and called for Yanukovich's execution.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

I'm certain that if a group of Ukrainian-speaking Russians seized some government buildings in Moscow and demanded that Putin hand the city over to Ukraine, Putin would show MUCH more restraint than the current Ukrainian government.

 

[tkotom]

I'm certain that if a group of Ukrainian-speaking Russians seized some government buildings in Moscow and demanded that Putin hand the city over to Ukraine, Putin would show MUCH more restraint than the current Ukrainian government.

Your point would make sense if Putin wasn't elected in a democratic, Russian Federation.

This comment from Kasparov will tell you all you need to know about how popular Putin is in Russia.

GARRY KASPAROV: "[President Putin's current popularity] is probably as high as Adolf Hitler in 1938"

 

[shootermcgavin7]

Your point would make sense if Putin wasn't elected in a democratic, Russian Federation.

This comment from Kasparov will tell you all you need to know about how popular Putin is in Russia.

GARRY KASPAROV: "[President Putin's current popularity] is probably as high as Adolf Hitler in 1938"

I'm not sure what this has to do with my implication that Putin would behave 10x worse than the current Ukrainian government if the shoe were on the other foot.

Or were you somehow trying to link that to the point that both Hitler and Putin were able to gain permanent power by gaming the democratic system?

 

[tkotom]

I'm not sure what this has to do with my implication that Putin would behave 10x worse than the current Ukrainian government if the shoe were on the other foot.

Or were you somehow trying to link that to the point that both Hitler and Putin were able to gain permanent power by gaming the democratic system?

If pro Ukrainians seize a building from the sovereign Russian federation then the Russian government is well within their right to use the military against them and "act 10 x worse" (unless they're Russian citizens then the use of the military would not be justified).

What we have in this situation is a government in Ukraine that took power through mob violence by ousting a democratically elected president and now the people in the east are doing EXACTLY the same thing and the government is murdering them with the military.

Your comparison between Putin and the violent mob that took power in Kiev who is now murdering their own citizens, is a very poor one.

Hitler comment from you is childish.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

Hitler comment from you is childish.

I'm sorry, are you a lunatic?

 

[tkotom]

I'm sorry, are you a lunatic?

Sounds like you're the lunatic.

 

[Kirku]

I'm sorry, are you a lunatic?

He's incredibly stupid, as has been proven time and time again.

Your comparison between Putin and the violent mob that took power in Kiev who is now murdering their own citizens, is a very poor one.

1) Chechnya.
2) On the same day that the 'violent mob' (derp) 'murdered' between 1-5 of their own 'citizens', Russian special forces killed 4 Russian separatists in a private house.

Comparison stands and there's nothing 'childish' about comparing Putin's recent actions to Hitler's.

 

[tkotom]

He's incredibly stupid, as has been proven time and time again.



1) Chechnya.
2) On the same day that the 'violent mob' (derp) 'murdered' between 1-5 of their own 'citizens', Russian special forces killed 4 Russian separatists in a private house.

Comparison stands and there's nothing 'childish' about comparing Putin's recent actions to Hitler's.

Oh wow that hurts.. Call me stupid yet you can't refute a single fact. Brilliant.

His comparison was not regarding Russia's annexation of Crimea. Read more closely. He compared Putin and Hitler and the way that Hitler took power. Putin was elected via democratic vote. Plain and simple.

The Ukrainian government is murdering their own citizens with the military. This is a fact and it is irrefutable.

I wouldn't expect you to demonstrate any sympathy towards your dead countrymen(?) - Scummy behaviour.

 

[Kirku]

Oh wow that hurts.. Call me stupid yet you can't refute a single fact. Brilliant.

What facts? Your post contained only opinion.

He compared Putin and Hitler and the way that Hitler took power. Putin was elected via democratic vote. Plain and simple.

As was Hitler. You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

The Ukrainian government is murdering their own citizens with the military. This is a fact and it is irrefutable.

1) No, it isn't. Please show me the proof that Ukrainian citizens were killed. The dead have not been identified. At this stage it is far from 'fact and it is irrefutable'.

2) The Russian military has been killing it's own citizens for years, that is fact and it is irrefutable.

Edit:

I wouldn't expect you to demonstrate any sympathy towards your dead countrymen(?) - Scummy behaviour.

I have little sympathy for them. If you take up arms against your own country, fly a foreign flag and call for foreign troops to annex your region then you are no longer a civilian - you become an irregular part of a foreign invasion force.

 

[tkotom]

What facts? Your post contains only opinion.



As was Hitler. You don't know what you're talking about, do you?



1) No, it isn't. Please show me the proof that Ukrainian citizens were killed. The dead have not been identified. At this stage it is far from 'fact and it is irrefutable'.

2) The Russian military has been killing it's own citizens for years, that is fact and it is irrefutable.

The circumstances through which Hitler came to power and the fact that Putin has been elected in votes with a great majority several times, are not comparable. Did any of you people take HS History, my god.

Hitler:
Enabling Act.
Lost two elections.
Was never elected to office.
Learn some history. You and that other doofus.

They killed their own citizens. This is not an opinion. It is only an opinion to people like you who will apologize for anything, even the murder of Ukrainian citizens. Oh wait, they're "pro Moscow rebels" right? Right.. their families crying on western television were also imported from over the borders I'm guessing.. right.

Deflecting to "Russia kills its own citizens" is a very, very shit argument. What does this even mean? So the fuck what? Lets say that it is the case, how in the hell does this help your argument? Does it suddenly make it okay to kill your own citizens if somebody else is doing the same thing? Jesus, talk about moronic.

Oh, and nice edit. You have no sympathy for your government murdering its own citizens. That's lovely. No better than an Assad or Saddam.

 

[Kirku]

Learn some history. You and that other doofus.

This is very funny.

both Hitler and Putin were able to gain permanent power by gaming the democratic system?

This statement is entirely correct.

Perhaps you should do some more reading. It's telling that you mention High School history as it appears to be the limit of your understanding on the topic.

They killed their own citizens. This is not an opinion.

Show me the proof that they were Ukrainian citizens. Until then it is only opinion.

Deflecting to "Russia kills its own citizens" is a very, very shit argument. What does this even mean? So the fuck what?

These are you words, 'Your comparison between Putin and the violent mob that took power in Kiev who is now murdering their own citizens, is a very poor one.'

1) You believe that the Ukrainian government is killing it's own citizens.
2) It is fact that Russia has been doing this for years.

Therefore, how is his comparison between Putin and the 'violent mob' a 'very poor one'?

Your comment was fundamentally flawed.

Oh, and nice edit. You have no sympathy for your government murdering its own citizens. That's lovely.

I've already outlined my thoughts on this.

Edit: Hilarious that you mentioned Assad in your edit. The same Assad that's supported by Putin.

 

[5H3RD0G]

Every nation that is out of order shall be deemed worthy of being set "free" by invading them. Your words, that shall be your downfall then. :icon_lol: Oh who will save Detroit and the Michigan area free us Canada. What a fool.

 

[AA4142CA]

. Oh wait, they're "pro Moscow rebels" right? Right.. their families crying on western television were also imported from over the borders I'm guessing.. right.

Not going to argue on the rest of your BS, just show me this^^^

And you missing the main point. The difference between the protesters and separatists.

 

[tkotom]

This is very funny.



This statement is entirely correct.

Perhaps you should do some more reading. It's telling that you mention High School history as it appears to be the limit of your understanding on the topic.



Show me the proof that they were Ukrainian citizens. Until then it is only opinion.



These are you words, 'Your comparison between Putin and the violent mob that took power in Kiev who is now murdering their own citizens, is a very poor one.'

1) You believe that the Ukrainian government is killing it's own citizens.
2) It is fact that Russia has been doing this for years.

Therefore, how is his comparison between Putin and the 'violent mob' a 'very poor one'?

Your comment was fundamentally flawed.



I've already outlined my thoughts on this.

Edit: Hilarious that you mentioned Assad in your edit. The same Assad that's supported by Putin.

I know Assad is supported by Putin. But again, you've deflected from the atrocities of the Ukrainian government.

That statement may be partially correct - where Hitler "gamed" the system - but your statement was not. You said that Hitler was elected via democratic vote, this is patently false. He was not.

 

[tkotom]

Not going to argue on the rest of your BS, just show me this^^^

And you missing the main point. The difference between the protesters and separatists.

That's okay, I don't mind being ignored by a UPA supporter.

No, I get that point. That doesn't make it okay to murder your won citizens with the military.