Unelected Ukrainian Government Kills 5

[AA4142CA]

That's okay, I don't mind being ignored by a UPA supporter.

No, I get that point. That doesn't make it okay to murder your won citizens with the military.

Still waiting for the proof of GTFO.

As for UPA, thats okey. I will change my AV as soon as I get the chance. You'll like it

 

[tkotom]

Still waiting for the proof of GTFO.

As for UPA, thats okey. I will change my AV as soon as I get the chance. You'll like it

Proof of what? What, do you want me to get you his passport? If you're suggesting that the people that the Ukrainian military killed were from elsewhere, I'd like to see your proof.

 

[AA4142CA]

Proof of what? What, do you want me to get you his passport? If you're suggesting that the people that the Ukrainian military killed were from elsewhere, I'd like to see your proof.

Hold your horses there. Lets see the facts.

We've had our own people murdered in the Donetsk region and I've seen every single funeral and I know every single name of these people. As for the opposite side all I see is dead people laid after the shooting... the end. Knowing russian propaganda there is something wrong about it, don't you think? If there is any locals killed then it would be all over the russian news in no time saying "LOCAL CITIZENS ARE BEING KILLED!!!".

Did you see any of it? NO you didn't. So what is your opinion based on?

 

[tkotom]

Hold your horses there. Lets see the facts.

We've had our own people murdered in the Donetsk region and I've seen every single funeral and I know every single name of these people. As for the opposite side all I see is dead people laid after the shooting... the end. Knowing russian propaganda there is something wrong about it, don't you think? If there is any locals killed then it would be all over the russian news in no time saying "LOCAL CITIZENS ARE BEING KILLED!!!".

Did you see any of it? NO you didn't. So what is your opinion based on?

What are you even arguing? That every single person murdered by teh Ukrainian military was NOT Ukrainian? Really? Prove that they were from somewhere else. They were in Ukraine, you yourself called them separatists. Are they martians dressed like Homosapien.

 

[AA4142CA]

What are you even arguing? That every single person murdered by teh Ukrainian military was NOT Ukrainian? Really?

Is there a hundreds of them? We are talking about five dead militans and not a single local funeral. Are you dumb or are pretending to be dumb?

Prove that they were from somewhere else.

I just gave an example in the post above. Don't play stupid. You are the one who firstly claimed that they were locals without a single backing.

They were in Ukraine, you yourself called them separatists.

I meant the people in charge are from Donetsk and Crimea region, and even they are not exactly what you call locals.

 

[tkotom]

Is there a hundreds of them? We are talking about five dead militans and not a single local funeral. Are you dumb or are pretending to be dumb?


I just gave an example in the post above. Don't play stupid. You are the one who firstly claimed that they were locals without a single backing.


I meant the people in charge are from Donetsk and Crimea region, and even they are not exactly what you call locals.

You're dodging it.

Are all of the people killed by the Ukrainian military, non Ukrainians?

That is an honest question.

 

[Bagatur]

You mean "ukrainians" that speak with russian accent? I haven't seen a single local funeral, which gives me idea that the corpses being sent home somewhere else.

I wonder what made you think that it will lead to a civil war. Did Orange Revolution 2004 in Kiev led to war? Or revolutions in Georgia or Moldova?

Maidan didn't lead to this. Watch this short "movie" shot at 2012 by people who are in charge of the separatists right now, and try to think differently... Ukraine 2015

As for le happening, hold your horses.

what made me think? violence was used! when bricks and Molotovs' were thrown, it made me think. I feel sorry for you. you seem to have agreed that you are just puppets in a much bigger play, which has NOTHING to do with Ukraine's independence, yet you still persist. old habits die hard?
as for your "proof" - I seriously laugh at it. you havent seen any funerals, so they must be from Russia??? that is such a load of hogshit even with your track record of coming up with proof. did you know any of the pro-Russians killed? did you follow any of their bodies till they were buried, sent off, etc.? you have absolutely no proof of your statements.

 

[Bagatur]

oh I see TKO already asked you about the bodies. we will wait...

 

[AA4142CA]

You're dodging it.

Are all of the people killed by the Ukrainian military, non Ukrainians?

That is an honest question.

Look, you need to undestand how this conflict is going right now.

Most of the brainwashed locals are far away from the fire because all they do is wave russian flags and chant Russia in town center where all the siezed buildings are. The life in there is almost normal, apart from the local goverment buildings people are going to work, shops are open. Kids are walking about.

Most of the minor shootings happens outside of the town at the road blocks where armed militants guarding it with AK's and RPG's. At the right moment not a single killed militant have been identified as local. I'm sure if it will you will hear it on the news.

You have to look at the videos and pictures to understand the similarities with operation Crimea. Putin only now admitted that it was his green men in Crimea. Sooner or later we will hear the same statement about the eastern Ukraine.

 

[Bagatur]

Hold your horses there. Lets see the facts.

We've had our own people murdered in the Donetsk region and I've seen every single funeral and I know every single name of these people. As for the opposite side all I see is dead people laid after the shooting... the end. Knowing russian propaganda there is something wrong about it, don't you think? If there is any locals killed then it would be all over the russian news in no time saying "LOCAL CITIZENS ARE BEING KILLED!!!".

Did you see any of it? NO you didn't. So what is your opinion based on?

I didnt see any news like "people killed in Slavyansk are proven to be from Russia". THAT would be MUCH MUCH bigger news in Ukraine, than 5 Ukrainians killed in Ukraine would be in Russia. Knowing Ukrainian propaganda there is something wrong about it, dont you think?

 

[Kirku]

I know Assad is supported by Putin. But again, you've deflected from the atrocities of the Ukrainian government.

That statement may be partially correct - where Hitler "gamed" the system - but your statement was not. You said that Hitler was elected via democratic vote, this is patently false. He was not.

The Nazi's achieved the highest proportion of votes (around 43%, if memory serves) in the history of the Weimar Republic. That they used a different electoral system is of no consequence.

Both Putin and Hitler rose to power legally and within a democratic system. They both then consolidated their power via 'murky' means.

 

[tkotom]

Look, you need to undestand how this conflict is going right now.

Most of the brainwashed locals are far away from the fire because all they do is wave russian flags and chant Russia in town center where all the siezed buildings are. The life in there is almost normal, apart from the local goverment buildings people are going to work, shops are open. Kids are walking about.

Most of the minor shootings happens outside of the town at the road blocks where armed militants guarding it with AK's and RPG's. At the right moment not a single killed militant have been identified as local. I'm sure if it will you will hear it on the news.

You have to look at the videos and pictures to understand the similarities with operation Crimea. Putin only now admitted that it was his green men in Crimea. Sooner or later we will hear the same statement about the eastern Ukraine.

I can appreciate this take on it but I don't think Putin's men would be getting gunned down by Ukrainian military and he does nothing about it.

Could you link me to where he admitted that btw? Wouldn't mind giving it a read.

You have to admit, that the Ukrainian governments use of the military on its own citizens is totally, unacceptable.

 

[AA4142CA]

what made me think? violence was used! when bricks and Molotovs' were thrown, it made me think. I feel sorry for you. you seem to have agreed that you are just puppets in a much bigger play, which has NOTHING to do with Ukraine's independence, yet you still persist. old habits die hard?
as for your "proof" - I seriously laugh at it. you havent seen any funerals, so they must be from Russia??? that is such a load of hogshit even with your track record of coming up with proof. did you know any of the pro-Russians killed? did you follow any of their bodies till they were buried, sent off, etc.? you have absolutely no proof of your statements.

I feel there is something personal about it))) I've asked TKO about the proof that they were locals and he didn't provide it, so I gave my opinion about it the way I see. At least I can see some logic in my explanation why russian propaganda haven't showed us the dead bodies of the locals.

 

[tkotom]

The Nazi's achieved the highest proportion of votes (around 43%, if memory serves) in the history of the Weimar Republic. That they used a different electoral system is of no consequence.

Both Putin and Hitler rose to power legally and within a democratic system. They both then consolidated their power via 'murky' means.

Hitler was never voted in though, that's the point. He was never elected to office. He may have received votes after Enabling but that the fact is that he was never elected to office.

 

[Kirku]

Are all of the people killed by the Ukrainian military, non Ukrainians?

There isn't even a reliable figure of the casualties. Figures range from 1-5.

You stated that the Ukrainian government was using it's military against it's own citizens and presented this opinion as 'irrefutable fact'. You were wrong.

 

[tkotom]

I feel there is something personal about it))) I've asked TKO about the proof that they were locals and he didn't provide it, so I gave my opinion about it the way I see. At least I can see some logic in my explanation why russian propaganda haven't showed us the dead bodies of the locals.

 

[tkotom]

There isn't even a reliable figure of the casualties. Figures range from 1-5.

You stated that the Ukrainian government was using it's military against it's own citizens and presented this opinion as 'irrefutable fact'. You were wrong.

But i'm not wrong.

Who are they using the military against? Only non Ukrainians in Ukraine? Surely you're not going to make this argument.

Are they fighting martians.

 

[AA4142CA]

I can appreciate this take on it but I don't think Putin's men would be getting gunned down by Ukrainian military and he does nothing about it.

Could you link me to where he admitted that btw? Wouldn't mind giving it a read.

You have to admit, that the Ukrainian governments use of the military on its own citizens is totally, unacceptable.

So far it's the game of chess. Putin doesn't want invade Ukraine because he will face a lengthy war and US is dreaming about it. Lengthy war will drain Russia to death.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-forces-helped-crimea-separatists-n82756

You have to admit, that the Ukrainian governments use of the military on its own citizens is totally, unacceptable.

Nobody will start shooting unarmed people.

 

[Kirku]

Hitler was never voted in though, that's the point. He was never elected to office. He may have received votes after Enabling but that the fact is that he was never elected to office.

So you debating this point means that it's right for you to call comparisons between Putin and Hitler 'childish'?

Seems contradictory.

 

[AA4142CA]

This is a photo of a funeral of a killed person on the 20th of april. It was nothing to do with ATO.

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