International UK Prime Minister declares his support of cousin marriage

[Rob Battisti]

It's not lost on me why it attracts bad faith critics like you but as I said it's a moot point for me. Gay marriage in the US was codified by Congress so it's advocates need not appeal to some vague right and hope for judicial activism but rather can point to concrete legislation which, IIRC, had bipartisan support even.

This isn’t about gay marriage. It’s about cousin marriage. For which, you support.

 

[Tatra]

Alabama sweating over the news..

Desperate attempt to deflect to white people. Why would a state in the US be sweating over something in the UK? This has to be the most desperate whataboutism I've ever seen. And it's based on some dumb myth, too. Southern whites are amongst the least inbred people on the planet. You are so pathetic.

same with kentucky, arkansas, and maybe even mississippi!

Another one. lol

 

[Siver!]

Between consenting adults its noone elses business. Really, who the fuck are you, or anyone else, to tell consenting adults they can't. It's not your fucking place and has no place in any society that pays anything more than lip service to notions of individual freedoms.

I don't personally agree with it but I'd never have so much hubris or distain for personal freedom as to tell them no or try and enact laws against them. They are harming no one.

I don't agree.

The actual act of 'love' between cousins, whatever, perhaps your logic applies, I don't care to get into it.

As soon as it's an issue of procreation, though, just stop.

I'm sorry, but the science is pretty clear, we can't just ignore it. Find someone else.

I don't care who we're talking about, and the world has had plenty of cousin-couples, but we're not blind like we were in the past. You can see it. It's wrong.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This isn’t about gay marriage. It’s about cousin marriage. For which, you support.

The context of the past arguments I made on the matter were in gay marriage threads and the question of the right to marry. If you believe that gays have that right on the basis of consent and that children or lack thereof are irrelevant to that right then the same should apply to cousin marriage.

But that's a moot argument now because gay marriage does not rest solely in the SCOTUS ruling but had been enshrined in law by Congress. Advocates can say that the question of the right to marry is irrelevant now because its established by the legislature.

As for the question on its own merits I don't think it should be outlawed in part because Obergefell v Hodges establishes that right to marry and thus I think allowing cousin marriage naturally flows from that right but I don't feel that strongly about it either way.

I'd be more concerned avuncular marriage is legal in Rhode Island for Jews. Or was, I don't really keep up on such things

I just looked it up and apparently its Rhode Island and New York in which its legal. In fact Rhode Island carves out a specific exemption for that form of religious marriage interestingly enough. Strikes me as even more problematic than cousin marriage but oh well.

 

[Mr Holmes]

It's gross, but I don't see why the law has to get involved. If two adults that are cousins want to get married, that's on them.

Their offspring are generally low iq and that is a concern for society.

 

[Siver!]

Their offspring is generally low iq and that is a concern for society.

Low IQ, physical disability, poor development, speech and language delay...

It's cruel to the unborn in the first instance, but it's provably worse within communities that are already very close.

Common ancestry is just a bad thing when it comes to breeding.

 

[Teppodama]

I don't agree.

The actual act of 'love' between cousins, whatever, perhaps your logic applies, I don't care to get into it.

As soon as it's an issue of procreation, though, just stop.

I'm sorry, but the science is pretty clear, we can't just ignore it. Find someone else.

I don't care who we're talking about, and the world has had plenty of cousin-couples, but we're not blind like we were in the past. You can see it. It's wrong.

As I said, I dont personally agree with it but I simply do not believe its your or my place to outlaw it. Condemn it socially, fine, but thats about it.

 

[Siver!]

As I said, I dont personally agree with it but I simply do not believe its your or my place to outlaw it. Condemn it socially, fine, but thats about it.

I'm not gonna hang anyone for it, so yes, we should condemn it socially in very strong terms.

 

[Teppodama]

Low IQ, physical disability, poor development, speech and language delay...

It's cruel to the unborn in the first instance, but it's provably worse within communities that are already very close.

Common ancestry is just a bad thing when it comes to breeding.

Using your criteria you might as well as well also advocate for aborting fetuses with Downs or any deformity. Might as well also advocate for euthenasia for more handicapping levels of autism.

I mean, if thats how you want to handle things thats fine, but its awfully eugenic leaning.

*im just busting your balls Siver.*

 

[Islam Imamate]

Using your criteria you might as well as well also advocate for aborting fetuses with Downs or any deformity. Might as well also advocate for euthenasia for more handicapping levels of autism.

I mean, if thats how you want to handle things thats fine, but its awfully eugenic leaning.

Not only that but women over 40 have similar rates of birth defects as first cousin marriages.

 

[Siver!]

Using your criteria you might as well as well also advocate for aborting fetuses with Downs or any deformity. Might as well also advocate for euthenasia for more handicapping levels of autism.

I mean, if thats how you want to handle things thats fine, but its awfully eugenic leaning.

Don't be silly.

I didn't say anything about the value of disabled offspring, only that it's cruel to not take precautions against disability. Minimize the risk for the child's sake.

We ain't killing anybody.

We're just trying to give children the best possible chance, and fucking your cousin ain't that.

 

[Siver!]

Not only that but women over 40 have similar rates of birth defects as first cousin marriages.

Another precaution you can take and be mindful of is age, absolutely.

Try to breed under the optimum conditions and go from there. If your last resort is breeding in your 40's, and that's a real possibility, just know the risks and own them.

I can't imagine how it could possibly be your last resort to breed with a cousin, though.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Hell, I've got one cousin I'd probably swear off pork for.

....but you're a Boxing degen...eeees normal.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Another precaution you can take and be mindful of is age, absolutely.

Try to breed under the optimum conditions and go from there. If your last resort is breeding in your 40's, and that's a real possibility, just know the risks and own them.

I can't imagine how it could possibly be your last resort to breed with a cousin, though.

People love who they love, its not your place to tell them to love someone else. The way you're talking about it sounds like we're discussing livestock.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Look.... if you want to have the three armed super soldiers of the future, this is the way forward.
Cousin fuckery ftw!

 

[Siver!]

People love who they love, its not your place to tell them to love someone else.

No, you're right, it's probably the parents place to tell them that their cousin is their cousin and not a suitable girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband.

Not mine.

It should be a basic part of sex education.

 

[Islam Imamate]

No, you're right, it's probably the parents place to tell them that their cousin is their cousin and not a suitable girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband.

Not mine.

It should be a basic part of sex education.

Okay so educate people but at the end of the day #Lovewins

 

[Siver!]

Okay so educate people but at the end of the day #Lovewins

I retract it all, I think there should be a mad monarch who does/doesn't allow partnerships lol

He should do so by WHEEL

 

[Mr Holmes]

People love who they love, its not your place to tell them to love someone else.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

People love who they love, its not your place to tell them to love someone else. The way you're talking about it sounds like we're discussing livestock.

How many of these cousin marriages are arranged I wonder? Using love to describe them is optimistic