Elections UK General Election - Thursday the 4th of July 2024

[KnightTemplar]

Uh hunh. And the title was Encouraging Suicide, is that right? Uh, no.

"The bill would allow adults with just six months left to live to request medical assistance to end their lives."

You mean like they do in Canada?

 

[KnightTemplar]

The new Labour transport secretary resigns after it emerged she is a literal criminal

Transport Secretary Louise Haigh resigns after Sky News revealed mobile phone guilty plea

Louise Haigh admitted on Thursday she had pleaded guilty to an offence after incorrectly telling police that a work mobile phone was stolen in 2013.

news.sky.com

louise Haigh fabricated a report to police stating she had been mugged and her work mobile phone stolen. In reality she was jealous of new phones colleagues had been issued, and when her request for a new one was denied, she claimed her old one was stolen. She played on this fake event claiming she was terrified as a female of street crime.

Every Labour politician is low IQ, corrupt and degenerate

I love how the dumb bint keeps trying to claim it was a, "mistake" to report the phone as stolen. Obviously the CPS and Courts did not agree, as she was found guilty of making a False Report.

 

[Billy no mates]

They will.

I think some people are underestimating the impact the handling of the Southport attack has had on the population, including Liberals.

They now know their government has lied to them and stopped what would’ve been a constructive - and much needed - conversation on our immigration policies and certain religions.

Maybe , but I doubt the outrage will propel people from their sofas to the voting booths .

 

[The Big Yin]

I love how the dumb bint keeps trying to claim it was a, "mistake" to report the phone as stolen. Obviously the CPS and Courts did not agree, as she was found guilty of making a False Report.

Her account is pure lies as it's impossible to be convicted of that offence in the scenario she describes.

There's only 2 offences this could relate to - wasting police time and giving false information to police. I think it's the latter she was convicted of

Those offences require the permission of the director of public prosecutions (DPP) to prosecute and it requires that she had the pre-requisite intent and knowledge that what she was reporting was false

Her claim that she mistakenly believed her phone was taken is an outright lie as 1 - that's a fraud offence and 2- impossible to prove she didn't have the honest held belief it was taken.

My gut feeling on what happened - her employers conducted an internal investigation of the stolen phone and found it had never been stolen. This was then reported to police.

 

[The Big Yin]

Allowing people in pain to die with dignity is an excellent move and one that also has public support.

What's your opinion on Capital Punishment, another measure that has public support and has substantial benefits for society

 

[Hellowhosthat]

What's your opinion on Capital Punishment, another measure that has public support and has substantial benefits for society

Not personally in favour because the person doesn't want to die and we've hanged the wrong person before.

 

[The Big Yin]

Not personally in favour because the person doesn't want to die and we've hanged the wrong person before.

Interesting that one of your points to oppose is new information coming to light that disproves a previously believed fact

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Interesting that one of your points to oppose is new information coming to light that disproves a previously believed fact

Don't know what you're getting at here dude. Might be me being stupid.

 

[The Big Yin]

Don't know what you're getting at here dude. Might be me being stupid.

That may be my wording.

In the case of MAID there needs to be agreement from professionals that the applicant has less than 6 months to live.

In capital punishment cases a person needs to be convicted of a crime beyond all reasonable doubt by a judge or jury.

Both of these situations are based on an agreed fact. One you support, the other you are sceptical of.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

That may be my wording.

In the case of MAID there needs to be agreement from professionals that the applicant has less than 6 months to live.

In capital punishment cases a person needs to be convicted of a crime beyond all reasonable doubt by a judge or jury.

Both of these situations are based on an agreed fact. One you support, the other you are sceptical of.

No problem.

I think the difference for me is in terms of MAID that the person feels that they are enough pain and suffering that their life isn't worth living anymore, which isn't the case with capital punishment.

 

[The Big Yin]

No problem.

I think the difference for me is in terms of MAID that the person feels that they are enough pain and suffering that their life isn't worth living anymore, which isn't the case with capital punishment.

They're 2 different situations but share some fundamental similarities in that they rely on professional opinion.

The smooth brains will say "this needs 2 doctors to agree and a high court judge to sign off" The reality is back in my police days I could find 2 doctors within a week who would support my hypothesis for the reasons for how a child came upon injuries. The defence could equally easily find 2 doctors who would disagree.

Add to that the high court is a conveyor belt system with hearings taking place every 20 mins on some days. It isn't some Rumpole of the Bailey situation where the case is thrashed out for a week by wigs and silks

 

[Hellowhosthat]

They're 2 different situations but share some fundamental similarities in that they rely on professional opinion.

The smooth brains will say "this needs 2 doctors to agree and a high court judge to sign off" The reality is back in my police days I could find 2 doctors within a week who would support my hypothesis for the reasons for how a child came upon injuries. The defence could equally easily find 2 doctors who would disagree.

Add to that the high court is a conveyor belt system with hearings taking place every 20 mins on some days. It isn't some Rumpole of the Bailey situation where the case is thrashed out for a week by wigs and silks

Tbh I'm not sure it should even really need a court if the patient, doctors and family are all in agreement.

 

[The Big Yin]

Tbh I'm not sure it should even really need a court if the patient, doctors and family are all in agreement.

I doubt you would ever get to the stage where a state enabled life ending procedure could be decided at the local level without judiciary oversight. The potential for abuse would be off the scale

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I doubt you would ever get to the stage where a state enabled life ending procedure could be decided at the local level without judiciary oversight. The potential for abuse would be off the scale

Medical professionals make life or death decisions every day. I think they should just investigate it if there's an issue. But if the patient had to be of sound mind to make the decision and it had to be signed off by say a doctor and a psychiatrist then for me that's better than some poor sod having to live through the last month or two of cancer destroying their body while they're put on painkillers that are so strong they barely know what's going on anyway.

 

[The Big Yin]

Medical professionals make life or death decisions every day. I think they should just investigate it if there's an issue. But if the patient had to be of sound mind to make the decision and it had to be signed off by say a doctor and a psychiatrist then for me that's better than some poor sod having to live through the last month or two of cancer destroying their body while they're put on painkillers that are so strong they barely know what's going on anyway.

Medical professions do make life or death decisions, but that's in the pursuance of saving life or making someone comfortable who is dying (administering pain relief whilst withdrawing sustenance)

This would we be a positive act which either assisted or instigated death. Legally it's a huge black hole.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Medical professions do make life or death decisions, but that's in the pursuance of saving life or making someone comfortable who is dying (administering pain relief whilst withdrawing sustenance)

This would we be a positive act which either assisted or instigated death. Legally it's a huge black hole.

I agree it's not straightforward, I'm just personally think that if it could be successfully implemented then it'd be a good thing.