Crime Joe pardons Hunter

[Captain Tenneal]

the delusion continues.........

The moral high ground should have always been vacant. But at least honest people can see it now.

The hacks have been delusional for the better part of a decade, there's obviously no way of changing them

 

[brothir]

Is there some original reason why it was placed into the Constitution? I don't know much about the original history of pardons, but I'm almost guessing it was for a different "type" of reason and over time was morphed into "pardon Nixon because yea".

No idea. I'm no scholar on this.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

no one cares. choke

It's literally the biggest story on the planet right now.

 

[wwkirk]

A lot of Presidents (and governors) do questionable pardons shortly before they leave office. Given that the person in question is the President's literal son, it was a virtual no-brainer that Biden would do this. Call me cynical, but it's all mildly amusing to me. I don't see how a single politician or media person did not anticipate this. To me, it's faux outrage all the way around.

Lest I be misunderstood: I'm positive that many of you guys are honestly dismayed and angry, I just don't think "the pros" are.

 

[Yehudim]

Even though the prosecution of Hunter was clearly a political witch hunt Joe still shouldn't have pardoned Hunter. I guess every man has his limits but he was supposed to be the president of norms and whatnot and this is not that.

Who gives a shit, Joe was betrayed every step of the way. What standards? Trump is president and the democrats stabbed him in the back. He has no allies besides his family.

 

[Rational Poster]

Right exactly. So you just do it. Don't wave your 10 inch moral pipe around about what you won't be doing, only to do the thing you've hammered down that you won't do. For the casual news follower who flips through channels or social media, this does not instill confidence in the system. Especially at a time like this.

Well, it seems the context has changed quite a bit. Biden's past pledge not to pardon Hunter came during the expectation of Democrats remaining in power, except they got stomped.


Obviously it's not a good look still, but losing all political power is an even worse look, imo.

 

[BFoe]

Is there some original reason why it was placed into the Constitution? I don't know much about the original history of pardons, but I'm almost guessing it was for a different "type" of reason and over time was morphed into "pardon Nixon because yea".

No idea. I'm no scholar on this.

I think it was a sort of hand-me-down from English law. But aside from that, each branch of government is supposed to have checks and balances from the other branches, and this gave the POTUS a bit of a check on the judiciary.

It was controversial though, and some Anti-Federalists (those were the group that opposed having a strong federal government and wanted most of the power vested in the states) opposed pardon power or proposed other versions of it in which the POTUS wouldn’t be able to pardon for offenses like treason, for example. Of course, that version didn’t end up in the Constitution and the pardon power a POTUS has is pretty broad.

 

[Seano]

Man. This thread is crazy. Hacks finally have some legitimate odious behavior by Biden to raise a stink about, and you're completely OK with it. Combined with Republicans defending Menendez and Adams, it really looks like the WR divide between people who oppose corruption and people who support it is as big as the left/right divide.

Be upset about it and report back to me later the full results.

 

[brothir]

The moral high ground should have always been vacant. But at least honest people can see it now.

The hacks have been delusional for the better part of a decade, there's obviously no way of changing them

There's no point as far as I can see in fighting over the high ground when the mechanism of pardons seems broken in terms of a functioning democracy. But Trump chose to pardon scum like Arpaio, and that causes more damage.

 

[Yehudim]

Man. This thread is crazy. Hacks finally have some legitimate odious behavior by Biden to raise a stink about, and you're completely OK with it. Combined with Republicans defending Menendez and Adams, it really looks like the WR divide between people who oppose corruption and people who support it is as big as the left/right divide.

The only thing I got out of Hunter’s fiasco is a bunch of cock pics and a laptop, so I really don’t care if the man uses his power to save his son. I guess people are touched by a man’s love for his offspring.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Is there some original reason why it was placed into the Constitution? I don't know much about the original history of pardons, but I'm almost guessing it was for a different "type" of reason and over time was morphed into "pardon Nixon because yea".

Good interview about it here:

Presidential pardons, explained | Penn Today

Law expert Kermit Roosevelt discusses how the pardon process works and why it exists in the first place.

penntoday.upenn.edu

Politically charged cases were part of it from the start.

 

[brothir]

I think it was a sort of hand-me-down from English law. But aside from that, each branch of government is supposed to have checks and balances from the other branches, and this gave the POTUS a bit of a check on the judiciary.

It was controversial though, and some Anti-Federalists (those were the group that opposed having a strong federal government and wanted most of the power vested in the states) opposed pardon power or proposed other versions of it in which the POTUS wouldn’t be able to pardon for offenses like treason, for example. Of course, that version didn’t end up in the Constitution and the pardon power a POTUS has is pretty broad.

Thinking about it, it does seem like a "the King can do whatever he wants" kind of mechanism. It's terrible at any rate.

 

[Source]

Why should Biden care? He can die without Hunter being bars when he does.

Who else wouldn't do the same thing

People with character and integrity.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The only thing I got out of Hunter’s fiasco is a bunch of cock pics and a laptop, so I really don’t care if the man uses his power to save his son. I guess people are touched by a man’s love for his offspring.

Sure, but this is a case where duties as a president conflict with duties as a parent, and I think we should be able to expect leaders to put their public duties above anything else during the time they're in office.

 

[Xanzito]

Pardon wouldn't be viewed so negatively if he didn't raise a stink about it with the "oh, i am so virtuous for doing this". Now he's being shit on with a very good reason.

 

[brothir]

Good interview about it here:

Presidential pardons, explained | Penn Today

Law expert Kermit Roosevelt discusses how the pardon process works and why it exists in the first place.

penntoday.upenn.edu

Politically charged cases were part of it from the start.

Nice. I mean, it's terrible. But nice.

 

[Rygu]

I mean I think most in Joe's shoes would have done the same thing for their son, but the interesting part is he didn't pardon Hunter for specific incidents/crimes/accusations, he pardoned him for a fairly long timeframe which makes it obvious that there is some other shit Hunter did that hasn't been exposed yet.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

You do a fine job embarrassing yourself.

Are you Canadian too?

 

[BFoe]

Thinking about it, it does seem like a "the King can do whatever he wants" kind of mechanism. It's terrible at any rate.

Yeah, it’s very broad and just opens itself up to abuse.

Think back to the Mueller investigation: Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort seemed to have the info needed to nail Trump to the wall plus Manafort was charged with financial crimes. Trump strongly hinted to Manafort that if he kept his mouth shut there’d be a pardon for him, and that’s exactly what happened: Manafort wouldn’t rat on Trump, went to prison for other crimes, Trump pardoned him and sprung him loose.
Pardons have become kind of a dirty business.

 

[panamaican]

Why should Biden care? He can die without Hunter being bars when he does.

Who else wouldn't do the same thing

Everyone would, myself included.

But when your political party has made a concerted effort to highlight the potential abuses of process by their opponent (and for the record, I agree with them), it robs them of some credibility when you blatantly use your position of power to protect your own family.

I would do it too but you can't build your political identity around being different from the other guy and then make this type of self-serving decision. IMO, pardoning yourself or your immediate family is the same regardless of the timing.