Law Uganda: Bill imposing Death Penalty for Homosexual Acts awaits Presidential Approval - Now Approved

[WklySportsMemes]

Which rights exactly do you think are inalienable, in all countries?

Let's just start will no genocide. Such a radical idea right?

 

[kflo]

Back on topic. These laws are human rights violations and those who don’t at min speak out against them are complicit to those violations.

 

[Denter]

At what point will you actually comment on the subject with any substance? Do you have anything of value to add to the conversation?

Think about it like this- people often also hold racial discrimination as a violation of rights (above democratic choice). They do the same for property (ie, you can't vote to just take my money). But many of these African nations forcibly expelled their racial minorities upon independence, and confiscated their property. I see few people upset that the whites and Indians did not get their assets back. Why? IMO they implicitly understand it is about national self-determination.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Think about it like this- people often also hold racial discrimination as a violation of rights (above democratic choice). They do the same for property (ie, you can't vote to just take my money). But many of these African nations forcibly expelled their racial minorities upon independence, and confiscated their property. I see few people upset that the whites and Indians did not get their assets back. Why? IMO they implicitly understand it is about national self-determination.

While I don't agree with certain things that are happening to innocent minority (white) South Africans who legally purchased land & took no part in appartied....The whole story is that the racial majorities resources were stolen and exploited. The indigenous people are now using the same means and mechanisms to claw it back. Should it be as indiscriminate and widesweeping as the news makes it seem??? IMO NO. Its the same kind of violation. Its still racism. People are more ok with your example because they witnessed the orignal appartied and exploitation in their lifetime. Unfortunately its not going to be as nuanced as only going after the evil actors. That's how systemic hate and discrimination works.

 

[Day Drinking]

Let's just start will no genocide. Such a radical idea right?

The right to not be killed? "No genocide" isn't really a complete thought

 

[WklySportsMemes]

The right to not be killed? "No genocide" isn't really a complete thought

Its a complete thought for those who actually know the definition of genocide. What are you even saying?

 

[Day Drinking]

Its a complete thought for those who actually know the definition of genocide. What are you even saying?

The right to no genocide is inalienable? Thats what we were talking about. Rights that go across borders.

Write in sentences. It helps alot.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

The right to no genocide is inalienable? Thats what we were talking about. Rights that go across borders.

Write in sentences. It helps alot.

Sorry I let trolling get the best of me. My apologies to the thread as well...

Just now seeing this.

That would be poor paraphrasing. Most people would interrupt it as.... The right not to be executed by the state (or any person or group) due to race,gender,religion, & orientation. You know, like most free countries.

 

[650lb Sumo]

Update:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/02/uganda-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-bill

Uganda’s parliament has passed a mostly unchanged version of one of the world’s strictest anti-LGBTQ+ bills after President Yoweri Museveni asked that certain provisions from the original legislation be toned down.

President Museveni

Despite four amendments, the bill retains most of the harshest measures of the legislation adopted in March. Those include the death penalty for certain same-sex acts and a 20-year sentence for “promoting” homosexuality, which activists say could criminalise any advocacy for the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer citizens.

A measure that obliged people to report homosexual activity was amended to only require reporting when a child is involved. Failure to do so is subject to five years in jail or a fine of 10 million Ugandan shillings (£2,150).

Anyone who “knowingly allow their premises to be used for acts of homosexuality” faces seven years in jail.

Museveni returned the bill to parliament last month, asking lawmakers to remove the duty to report and to introduce a provision to facilitate the “rehabilitation” of gay people. No such provision has been included in the amended bill.

The Ugandan Parliament

Today, [the 2nd of May] 371 MPs voted for the amended bill. One MP from the ruling party, Fox Odoi-Oywelowo, voted against, saying it contravened the constitution. The presence of 170 MPs is required to vote on a bill.

Museveni has 30 days to either sign the legislation into law, return it to parliament for another revision, or veto it and inform the parliamentary speaker. The bill will, however, pass into law without the president’s assent if he returns it to parliament for a second time.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Update:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/02/uganda-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-bill

Uganda’s parliament has passed a mostly unchanged version of one of the world’s strictest anti-LGBTQ+ bills after President Yoweri Museveni asked that certain provisions from the original legislation be toned down.

President Museveni

Despite four amendments, the bill retains most of the harshest measures of the legislation adopted in March. Those include the death penalty for certain same-sex acts and a 20-year sentence for “promoting” homosexuality, which activists say could criminalise any advocacy for the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer citizens.

A measure that obliged people to report homosexual activity was amended to only require reporting when a child is involved. Failure to do so is subject to five years in jail or a fine of 10 million Ugandan shillings (£2,150).

Anyone who “knowingly allow their premises to be used for acts of homosexuality” faces seven years in jail.

Museveni returned the bill to parliament last month, asking lawmakers to remove the duty to report and to introduce a provision to facilitate the “rehabilitation” of gay people. No such provision has been included in the amended bill.

The Ugandan Parliament

Today, [the 2nd of May] 371 MPs voted for the amended bill. One MP from the ruling party, Fox Odoi-Oywelowo, voted against, saying it contravened the constitution. The presence of 170 MPs is required to vote on a bill.

Museveni has 30 days to either sign the legislation into law, return it to parliament for another revision, or veto it and inform the parliamentary speaker. The bill will, however, pass into law without the president’s assent if he returns it to parliament for a second time.

mad gay yo

 

[650lb Sumo]

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...yoweri-museveni-anti-lgbtq-bill-death-penalty

Uganda’s president, Yoweri Museveni,

has signed into law the world’s harshest anti-LGBTQ+ bill, which allows the death penalty for homosexual acts.

The move immediately drew condemnation from many Ugandans as well as widespread international outrage. The UK government said it was appalled by the “deeply discriminatory” bill, which it said will “damage Uganda’s international reputation”.

US President Joe Biden decried the act as “shameful” and “tragic violation of universal human rights”. He said Washington was considering “sanctions and restriction of entry into the United States against anyone involved in serious human rights abuses” – a suggestion that Ugandan officials may face repercussions.

Early on Monday, the speaker of the Ugandan parliament, Anita Annet Among,

released a statement on social media confirming Museveni had assented to the law first passed by MPs in March. It imposes the death penalty or life imprisonment for certain same-sex acts, up to 20 years in prison for “recruitment, promotion and funding” of same-sex “activities”, and anyone convicted of “attempted aggravated homosexuality” faces a 14-year sentence.



Martin Ssempa,

one of the main backers of the bill, presented it as a victory against the US and Europe and suggested Uganda needed to push back against groups working to tackle HIV. He said: “The president has shown great courage to defy bullying of the Americans and Europeans. That bullying we shall not give you money. They intimidate and threaten you.”

 

[OneOfOne]

We are bullying African nations into accepting the LGBTQ. The West has truly lost its way.

 

[Fluffernutter]

USAID Budget for Uganda is $950 million per year

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Little Robbie Meatballs has been palling around with some real psychos

 

[Day Drinking]

Asked & answered 100x in this thread. Your logic is if a country finds something innocuous a deadly crime they should be allowed to do whatever they want.
That is a fallacy. Your logic is so bad you refuse to apply it to America or Germany. If your logic made sense you would stand on it . Its just more proof that it's not your real justification.

You think it is innocuous. They do not.

 

[KnightTemplar]

While I don't agree with certain things that are happening to innocent minority (white) South Africans who legally purchased land & took no part in appartied....The whole story is that the racial majorities resources were stolen and exploited. The indigenous people are now using the same means and mechanisms to claw it back. Should it be as indiscriminate and widesweeping as the news makes it seem??? IMO NO. Its the same kind of violation. Its still racism. People are more ok with your example because they witnessed the orignal appartied and exploitation in their lifetime. Unfortunately its not going to be as nuanced as only going after the evil actors. That's how systemic hate and discrimination works.

They ended up cutting off their nose to spite their face in some cases. Zimbabwe confescated all farms owned by whites. Most left the country. A few years later they were reduced to begging those same farmers to return and offering them compensation to run the farms again. As the people who took over had no idea how to farm efficiently.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

You think it is innocuous. They do not.

Universal human rights says it is.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

They ended up cutting off their nose to spite their face in some cases. Zimbabwe confescated all farms owned by whites. Most left the country. A few years later they were reduced to begging those same farmers to return and offering them compensation to run the farms again. As the people who took over had no idea how to farm efficiently.

You should use your own argument here. "Its their country, your opinion on rights & outcomes in it doesn't matter."

 

[KnightTemplar]

You should use your own argument here. "Its their country, your opinion on rights & outcomes in it doesn't matter."

It certainly didn't matter to me, although I did find it slightly amusing

 

[Halge]

There are no gays in Uganda, Kathleen.