UFC's Current Pound for Pound Rankings

[King in the North]

How is Dustin Poirier ahead of Jones lol

 

[DebtCollectorMMA]

Remove

Stipe
Sterling
Yan
Glover
Dustin
Whittaker
Moreno

 

[Gamer007]

I do think he's better than Usman and Volk. Just my opinion though so it's cool if you disagree.

You going to the card in Austin? I’m thinking about going, the card doesn’t look too hot tho.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

How is Silva, a dude with double digit losses, better than the UFC goat, & 2 division champion?

Jones/Fedor can be debated for the PED don't matter faction/Pride Nostalgia faction.

Though, no matter how you put it Silva should be below GSP, PEDs not counting or not.

Did you read my post? Did you watch the vid? Why would you bring up other pieces of data when the whole premise was "i wonder how P4P GOAT would go using this single piece of data"?

Not too bright, this one Just slow down next time, son, and try to understand the conversation before arguing. Enjoy the fights tomorrow.

 

[Hypetrainofthemonth]

Did you read my post? Did you watch the vid? Why would you bring up other pieces of data when the whole premise was "i wonder how P4P GOAT would go using this single piece of data"?

Not too bright, this one Just slow down next time, son, and try to understand the conversation before arguing. Enjoy the fights tomorrow.

I added others because I figured GSP finishing the guy that beat Silva, who started as a LHW, and was current MW champ at the fight(meaning GSP's opponent started two WC above), who contrary to hindsighted haters, and revisionist, was seen a a possible bad match up(bigger, good TDD, good cardio, 4 year lay off from GSP) for GSP was >> (greater than) 3 non champion during the fight LHW's, who were pretty favorable match ups for the PED user, especially Xanax'd Griffin & Oxymorphone + Methadone (both very strong opioids, I mean methadone is used to combat heroin) so definitely giving Irvin a disadvantage.


Not only that, post prime, clean GSP did his after a 4 year lay off, vs Silva who was active, & possibly still on PEDs from his Pride days.


I figured since everyone should know that, and since that is relevant to the P4P data, I had to extrapolate the other data, that helps even more to reach the more common sense's idea that GSP is still above Silva in P4P.

 

[blaseblah]

Glover shouldn't even be on the list. He's champion in a very weak division and isn't the best fighter in it.

 

[Frode Falch]

1) Going up is worth respect. It's not worth a higher ranking when you get manhandled.

Maybe its been a while since you saw the fight. That might distort your memory.

That fight kinda even. With a slight edge to the winner.

The right man won for sure. But dont twist it

 

[Pizza Werewolf]

Why Is Jones still in the top 10?

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

MEN'S POUND-FOR-POUND TOP RANK
KAMARU USMAN

2
Alexander Volkanovski
3
Israel Adesanya
4
Francis Ngannou
5
Charles Oliveira
6
Max Holloway
7
Dustin Poirier
8
Jon Jones
9
Glover Teixeira
10
Deiveson Figueiredo
11
Aljamain Sterling
12
Stipe Miocic
13
Petr Yan
14
Brandon Moreno
15
Robert Whittaker




1) Adesanya is ranked above Ngannou, despite trying to go up and getting handled.

2) Poirier is ranked below Holloway, despite beating the shit out of him twice at 2 different weights.

3) Gane isn't on the list, despite being ranked above Stipe in their division and doing much better in their recent matchups with the champion.

4) Colby isn't on the list, despite losing 2 razor thin fights to #1. Yet Whittaker and Moreno are included with multiple losses to #3 and #10 respectively.


In B4 "Rankings don't matter and have always sucked."

I don't agree with the rankings, but the arguments here hold little water.

1) Adesanya's inability to move up successfully means absolutely nothing in terms of the b relative difficulty of his division vs Ngannou's.

2) Poirier could be above Holloway but doesn't have to be, but I'd agree here that the UFC's P4P rankings do favor belts over non.

3) Placements in divisional rankings mean fuck-all for P4P rankings. It is a competely different criteria to be ranked upon, favoring legacy, and the fact Stipe is coming off pretty recently of being called the best HW champ of all time.

4) Once again, champs are favored, which Moreno and Whittaker both were, and both have done arguably just as well, or better, against their counterparts. Moreno seemingly has the better results of his 1-1-1 rivalry, and though Rob and Colby both got finished first time around, more people had Rob winning the latter match than Colby.

 

[CrimsonFan]

You going to the card in Austin? I’m thinking about going, the card doesn’t look too hot tho.

Didn't even know one was coming. I just might gonna wait and see who the main event is have they even announced it?

 

[Dirty Frank]

Wow I'd have expected Cyril Gane to be there

 

[Canned Tuna]

Jones is criminally low. Remove him altogether for inactivity or put him back where he belongs.

 

[Koro_11]

MEN'S POUND-FOR-POUND TOP RANK
KAMARU USMAN

2
Alexander Volkanovski
3
Israel Adesanya
4
Francis Ngannou
5
Charles Oliveira
6
Max Holloway
7
Dustin Poirier
8
Jon Jones
9
Glover Teixeira
10
Deiveson Figueiredo
11
Aljamain Sterling
12
Stipe Miocic
13
Petr Yan
14
Brandon Moreno
15
Robert Whittaker




1) Adesanya is ranked above Ngannou, despite trying to go up and getting handled.

2) Poirier is ranked below Holloway, despite beating the shit out of him twice at 2 different weights.

3) Gane isn't on the list, despite being ranked above Stipe in their division and doing much better in their recent matchups with the champion.

4) Colby isn't on the list, despite losing 2 razor thin fights to #1. Yet Whittaker and Moreno are included with multiple losses to #3 and #10 respectively.


In B4 "Rankings don't matter and have always sucked."

If it makes you feel better pound for pound is a dumb concept and means absolutely nothing. It assumes that if you take a guy like Moreno and enlarge him to twice his size he would somehow retain all his speed and agility attributes.

It’s dumb, just mental gymnastics to make a case that this guy is somehow a better fighter than that guy even though that guy could kill him in a real life situation. All nonsense, there’s the heavyweight champion who rules them all, and then there are divisional champions. Pound for pound means nothing in reality. My cat is pound for pound a better hunter than a tiger, but guess what happens if they run into each other in the forest.

 

[MigitAs]

MEN'S POUND-FOR-POUND TOP RANK
KAMARU USMAN

2
Alexander Volkanovski
3
Israel Adesanya
4
Francis Ngannou
5
Charles Oliveira
6
Max Holloway
7
Dustin Poirier
8
Jon Jones
9
Glover Teixeira
10
Deiveson Figueiredo
11
Aljamain Sterling
12
Stipe Miocic
13
Petr Yan
14
Brandon Moreno
15
Robert Whittaker




1) Adesanya is ranked above Ngannou, despite trying to go up and getting handled.

2) Poirier is ranked below Holloway, despite beating the shit out of him twice at 2 different weights.

3) Gane isn't on the list, despite being ranked above Stipe in their division and doing much better in their recent matchups with the champion.

4) Colby isn't on the list, despite losing 2 razor thin fights to #1. Yet Whittaker and Moreno are included with multiple losses to #3 and #10 respectively.


In B4 "Rankings don't matter and have always sucked."

Yeah wait wtf, Usman is no 1 and the guy who almost beat him twice is not even on the list??

 

[SuperAlly]

Better wins? Finishing Whittaker alone is better than anything Volk’s ever done. Zombie and Ortega did not deserve the title shots and the fact they got smoked shows they had no business being there. Costa was on a great run, so was Bobby and Marvin.

Elite fighters can’t help the strength of their respective divisions.

Rob and Izzy, and Max and Volk, smoke everyone in their own divisions currently

 

[pankrat]

I added others because I figured GSP finishing the guy that beat Silva, who started as a LHW, and was current MW champ at the fight(meaning GSP's opponent started two WC above), who contrary to hindsighted haters, and revisionist, was seen a a possible bad match up(bigger, good TDD, good cardio, 4 year lay off from GSP) for GSP was >> (greater than) 3 non champion during the fight LHW's, who were pretty favorable match ups for the PED user, especially Xanax'd Griffin & Oxymorphone + Methadone (both very strong opioids, I mean methadone is used to combat heroin) so definitely giving Irvin a disadvantage.


Not only that, post prime, clean GSP did his after a 4 year lay off, vs Silva who was active, & possibly still on PEDs from his Pride days.


I figured since everyone should know that, and since that is relevant to the P4P data, I had to extrapolate the other data, that helps even more to reach the more common sense's idea that GSP is still above Silva in P4P.

Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

Bisping didnt even manage to get a tittle shot during the long 7 years Silva ruled the division.

Those are the facts for anybody who lived through it.
You are a fanboy pushing BS revisionism and getting slapped for it

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[pankrat]

I don't agree with the rankings, but the arguments here hold little water.

1) Adesanya's inability to move up successfully means absolutely nothing in terms of the b relative difficulty of his division vs Ngannou's.
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I dont agree with the rankings but Israel having 10-15lbs dissadvantage in tittle fights vs Costa, Romero and Vettori might means something by p4p criteria. Was he like in 25lbs dissavantage vs Jan?

 

[Islam Imamate]

If you include Jon jones on your list how would there be 8 guys in front. You have usman 1. Jones is better at eveything fought way better fighters was in the ufc in 8 months of fighting won the title in less than 3 years and never lost.

usman is a huge ww. Has a good jab and wrestling. mall tbings being equal I wouldn’t think he would be so dominant.
P4p was made to garner interest in lower weight classes in boxing. Just curious.

how never losing and having a better resume you would put a guy like that at 9.

We're talking about current p4p rankings, not all time. Jones shouldn't even be on the list, he hasn;t fought in two years and looked like crap in his last three fights before leaving.

Anyway the list is crap, a real p4p list would be made up mostly of fighters from BW to LW. Jose Aldo has a much better argument for being there than Jones and Glover if you ask me.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

How is Dustin Poirier ahead of Jones lol

The list has ZERO credibility when you have a clown that hasn’t fought in over 2 years on it. Come on. Guys on 2 losses or 2/3 is fucking ridiculous. I never even look at this stupid list, and only read the threads for the entertainment value.

I can’t believe how seriously some of you take a FANTASY list to begin with.

Oh, but my hero is better than your hero. Blah blah blah. Debate divisional rankings or even divisional GOAT rankings, but p4p??

 

[thewhiterooster]

who cares about p4p rankings. it's fiction