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Is fkn stacked especially with the addition of topuria I hope Islam doesn't go up to WW just yet there's a bunch of fun fights for him

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Best division in the UFC? Top 2-3 for sure
 
Simple Southerner said:
Is fkn stacked especially with the addition of topuria I hope Islam doesn't go up to WW just yet there's a bunch of fun fights for him

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Let's unpack this.

Champion - Islam Makhachev arguably the p4p best in the sport right now.

1. Arman Tsarukyan very elite, deserved contender.

2. Charles Oliveira...beginning to fall out of his prime I'd assume, already lost to the champ and the current number 1 contender Arman but is still elite.

3. Gaethje...getting old, was violently knocked out by Holloway, will never be a contender again and will retire fairly soon.

4. Poirier....on the verge of retirement, is old and falling out of his prime. Says he will have his last fight this year.

5. Holloway...not a true contender at 155, a true Featherweight. Hasn't had his wrestling tested in a decade and after the outclassing Volk gave him along with Topuria KHTFO I don't think he's ontop of his game anymore.

6. Dan Hooker...is this a fucking joke? Best division in the sport and Hooker is 6th? Not a top 20 caliber talent.

7. Chandler is like 2-4 in the UFC and pushing 38 years old...probably loses to Pimblett. Guy hasn't improved as a fighter in like 12 years....hes just getting older, chinnier and gassing quicker.

8. Gamrot...scrappy fighter, endless gas tank, great takedowns but somehow bad top control. Lacks any power standing, he's a world class guy but clearly not contender potential.

9. Beneil Dariush ....old, has absolutely no chin left at this point, has a lot of basic fundamental issues with his game.

10. Moicano....never was elite at 155, also someone I don't think is a top 20 caliber talent..

Not a lot of rising prospects or stars at 155 either. I think the division is a lot worse than 135 but overall most divisions in the UFC are shallow and lack the ability to form meaningful contenders.
 
HuskySamoan said:
Let's unpack this.

Champion - Islam Makhachev arguably the p4p best in the sport right now.

1. Arman Tsarukyan very elite, deserved contender.

2. Charles Oliveira...beginning to fall out of his prime I'd assume, already lost to the champ and the current number 1 contender Arman but is still elite.

3. Gaethje...getting old, was violently knocked out by Holloway, will never be a contender again and will retire fairly soon.

4. Poirier....on the verge of retirement, is old and falling out of his prime. Says he will have his last fight this year.

5. Holloway...not a true contender at 155, a true Featherweight. Hasn't had his wrestling tested in a decade and after the outclassing Volk gave him along with Topuria KHTFO I don't think he's ontop of his game anymore.

6. Dan Hooker...is this a fucking joke? Best division in the sport and Hooker is 6th? Not a top 20 caliber talent.

7. Chandler is like 2-4 in the UFC and pushing 38 years old...probably loses to Pimblett. Guy hasn't improved as a fighter in like 12 years....hes just getting older, chinnier and gassing quicker.

8. Gamrot...scrappy fighter, endless gas tank, great takedowns but somehow bad top control. Lacks any power standing, he's a world class guy but clearly not contender potential.

9. Beneil Dariush ....old, has absolutely no chin left at this point, has a lot of basic fundamental issues with his game.

10. Moicano....never was elite at 155, also someone I don't think is a top 20 caliber talent..

Not a lot of rising prospects or stars at 155 either. I think the division is a lot worse than 135 but overall most divisions in the UFC are shallow and lack the ability to form meaningful contenders.
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Max Holloway is definitely a real contender. He destroyed someone who was a perennial contender for years.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
He didn't just beat Gaethje, he dismantled him in a 5 round fight. How does that mean he is not a contender? What is he then?
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He's a legend and former champ that's had 30 UFC fights, absorbed 2100 significant strikes and was just knocked out badly by Topuria at 145lbs in his last fight. He's also an undersized 155er who's spent most of his career at 145 and only moved up because he could no longer get a title shot vs Volkanovski but went right back down when Volk got dethroned. Also a dude who has had somewhat suspect grappling at 155 who I think Arman and Islam would dominate easily.

We can argue based on opinions and whatnot but I'm not optimistic about Holloway being a contender at 155 and not at all interested with it. I'm giving my opinion here, I think Max is soon to fall off a cliff with his fighting career. He's 1-1 at 155 in the UFC, fought two legends, looked good both times. I think he's about to look old. We need actual new talent in this division, it's a stagnant sludge getting stirred around. We need Vartanyan signed so badly.
 
Simple Southerner said:
Is fkn stacked especially with the addition of topuria I hope Islam doesn't go up to WW just yet there's a bunch of fun fights for him

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They got Gaethje ranked over Holloway… the fuck sorta credibility does this possibly have?

Total marketing agenda, cook-the-books bullshit
 
HuskySamoan said:
Let's unpack this.

Champion - Islam Makhachev arguably the p4p best in the sport right now.

1. Arman Tsarukyan very elite, deserved contender.

2. Charles Oliveira...beginning to fall out of his prime I'd assume, already lost to the champ and the current number 1 contender Arman but is still elite.

3. Gaethje...getting old, was violently knocked out by Holloway, will never be a contender again and will retire fairly soon.

4. Poirier....on the verge of retirement, is old and falling out of his prime. Says he will have his last fight this year.

5. Holloway...not a true contender at 155, a true Featherweight. Hasn't had his wrestling tested in a decade and after the outclassing Volk gave him along with Topuria KHTFO I don't think he's ontop of his game anymore.

6. Dan Hooker...is this a fucking joke? Best division in the sport and Hooker is 6th? Not a top 20 caliber talent.

7. Chandler is like 2-4 in the UFC and pushing 38 years old...probably loses to Pimblett. Guy hasn't improved as a fighter in like 12 years....hes just getting older, chinnier and gassing quicker.

8. Gamrot...scrappy fighter, endless gas tank, great takedowns but somehow bad top control. Lacks any power standing, he's a world class guy but clearly not contender potential.

9. Beneil Dariush ....old, has absolutely no chin left at this point, has a lot of basic fundamental issues with his game.

10. Moicano....never was elite at 155, also someone I don't think is a top 20 caliber talent..

Not a lot of rising prospects or stars at 155 either. I think the division is a lot worse than 135 but overall most divisions in the UFC are shallow and lack the ability to form meaningful contenders.
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This. I genuinely thought this was a parody thread at first. The LW division has been going downhill for YEARS and is easily the most overrated in the sport.

Also, I genuinely respect that you pointed out that "Holloway hasn't had his wrestling tested in a decade". MMA Math is basically the law for modern day fans but people who have watched over long periods of time know that styles make fights and Holloway could easily get exposed when he's not fighting opponents tailored to his strengths.

I also genuinely laugh at the hype Dan Hooker is getting in modern day. You know your division is bad when a career journeyman is suddenly hyped as a "fresh title challenger". Are these the same people who think Reyes/Santos/Smith were credible challengers for Jones after feasting on some MWs? lol
 
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Vastly overrated UFC division and they're riding on "name" value and have been for a while. Going to be woeful if Paddy beats Chandler and ends up getting a title shot.

Losene Keita and Islam Omarov at 155 beat them all.

Makhachev maybe beats Keita a couple of times out of 10 but that's it.
 
Bubzeh said:
Vastly overrated UFC division and they're riding on "name" value and have been for a while. Going to be woeful if Paddy beats Chandler and ends up getting a title shot.

Losene Keita and Islam Omarov at 155 beat them all.

Makhachev maybe beats Keita a couple of times out of 10 but that's it.
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No they don't, this is goofy. Keita and Omarov are 145ers, Islam would outclass both at 155, likely Arman too. I wouldn't be surprised if others did as well. Omarov is a 145er who doesn't have the frame grow into a LW unless he becomes an over-bloated muscle bound Bibert Tumenov type and similarly is the case for Keita, he's getting away with LW right now due to not facing high level guys but he genuinely looked bad vs Sardari. Losene and Omarov would likely be top 5 FWs in the UFC though, Akbar Abdullaev, Parnasse there's a lot of elite FWs outside the UFC.

If you think Omarov and Keita run through the UFC Lightweight division lol. Kinda wild.
 
HuskySamoan said:
No they don't, this is goofy. Keita and Omarov are 145ers, Islam would outclass both at 155, likely Arman too. I wouldn't be surprised if others did as well. Omarov is a 145er who doesn't have the frame grow into a LW unless he becomes an over-bloated muscle bound Bibert Tumenov type and similarly is the case for Keita, he's getting away with LW right now due to not facing high level guys but he genuinely looked bad vs Sardari. Losene and Omarov would likely be top 5 FWs in the UFC though, Akbar Abdullaev, Parnasse there's a lot of elite FWs outside the UFC.

If you think Omarov and Keita run through the UFC Lightweight division lol. Kinda wild.
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What's "wild" is you typing out a 100 word paragraph that's utter rubbish from start to finish.
 
FreddieRoachsVoice said:
This. I genuinely thought this was a parody thread at first. The LW division has been going downhill for YEARS and is easily the most overrated in the sport.

Also, I genuinely respect that you pointed out that "Holloway hasn't had his wrestling tested in a decade". MMA Math is basically the law for modern day fans but people who have watched over long periods of time know that styles make fights and Holloway could easily get exposed when he's not fighting opponents tailored to his strengths.

I also genuinely laugh at the hype Dan Hooker is getting in modern day. You know your division is bad when a career journeyman is suddenly hyped as a "fresh title challenger". Are these the same people who think Reyes/Santos/Smith were credible challengers for Jones after feasting on some MWs? lol
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Max Holloway has been fighting guys tailor made to his strengths for ten years? Max Holloway has fought everyone and fighters with vastly different styles. In fact, he has fought and beaten guys that people were sure were he would not be able to, his last win at 155 was just that.
 
I would argue that Bantamweight is more stacked than Lightweight but with Mario Bautista in the top 10 that makes me sad. Lightweight is really good but the problem with Lightweight is there are 4 fighters in the top 10 on the end of their careers (Poirier, Chandler, Gaethje, Dariush). It is hard to call a division stacked when all 4 of those guys mentioned are 1 loss away from retirement and there is a chance none of them will ever compete for a title again.
 
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