UFC On ESPN 12: Poirier vs. Hooker

[BigSteve]

I think people are concerned Perry has spent more time focusing on his personal life rather than training. He seems take an if it's not broken don't fix it approach with his style. That's a concern if he really is running his own camp and not working with coaches.

Weirdly it was Gall that called out Perry initially. Probably just felt brave after watching Cowboy armbar him but still he has had time to study. According to Gall he has been in camp since August preparing for a fight with Condit. I kind of doubt that but if so his camp has probably lasted longer than Perry's recent marriage.

I can't help but think having his 20 something y/o girlfriend in his corner is just a gimmick. Either way it's seems like a bit of overconfidence to me. If he wins I'm sure it gets him plenty of attention in the media though. He should blast Micky with ease. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes a second to make dough eyes at his new lady and gets caught in a meme triangle or something though.

He dosent need a corner for the Gall fight. He just has to pressure like he usually does, stuff takedowns or take Gall down him self.
I see some people pointing out how young Gall is and constantly improving, ignoring Perrys identical age and improvement.

Soon as they clinch, Gall will regret the call out.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Sorry for another new guy terminalogy question. Give me another week or two hanging out here and I'll be up to speed

When you guys say "juiced" do you just mean the gap isn't what it should look like on the odds? House keeping too much of the total betted, presuming 50/50 on either side of the line money coming in. Favorite too favorited on odds while under dog not underdoggy enough + and - wise?

 

[HockeyBjj]

I am honestly surprised so many people are giving Gall a chance. Has to be a fade on Perry, but surley you fade Gall more. Guy shouldn't be in the UFC, where as Perry is a top 20 WW. Perrys ground game is so underated.

Even in his early UFC fights he showed great control and wrestling. I think he will make Gall quit on the ground with top control and ground and pound.

I'm living vicariously through Mickey Gall.

Guy is just a weeknight jiu jitsu gym trainee who dabbled in mma and standup a couple nights a week, and got the gift of a UFC fight against a pudgy WWE guy. Won that, because heck, anyone who has a blue belt from a decent jiu jitsu gym could have beaten CM Punk. Calls out the massively over-hyped prospect who's known for his Disney Channel boy bod more than his skills, and then wins that one. Hangs around getting low level guys tossed his way, has managed to win half of those. Now has another over hyped because he's an aggressive idiot matchup.

So yeah. I'll toss 5 bucks on him doing it again. Living the dream as an off the couch hobbyist in the highest professional organization of his sport. That coulda been me damnit.

 

[Naught2Sixty]

When you guys say "juiced" do you just mean the gap isn't what it should look like on the odds?

Favorite too favorited on odds while under dog not underdoggy enough + and - wise?

 

[Sono07]

He dosent need a corner for the Gall fight. He just has to pressure like he usually does, stuff takedowns or take Gall down him self.
I see some people pointing out how young Gall is and constantly improving, ignoring Perrys identical age and improvement.

Soon as they clinch, Gall will regret the call out.

I agree but I'd almost rather him have no corner than bringing some chick he wants to impress. Between his lack of coach ability, all the damage from Luque and him having no answer for Neal's southpaw I have a hard time seeing his improvements.

Even if his Platinum character is just a gimmick the guy doesn't seem to take criticism well and I think it affects his potential. All that said I'm probably betting Perry ISD and hoping his IQ doesn't look as low as mine feels making the bet.

 

[BigSteve]

I agree but I'd almost rather him have no corner than bringing some chick he wants to impress. Between his lack of coach ability, all the damage from Luque and him having no answer for Neal's southpaw I have a hard time seeing his improvements.

Even if his Platinum character is just a gimmick the guy doesn't seem to take criticism well and I think it affects his potential. All that said I'm probably betting Perry ISD and hoping his IQ doesn't look as low as mine feels making the bet.

yea he took a lot of damage, but his standup looked great too. Gall is not dishing out any damage on the feet lets be honest

 

[lefontes]

Fight start Round 2 Woodson/Erosa is good?

 

[GoatArtemLobov]

I could see Perry taking down Gall in order to impress his gf then getting armbared like he did against Cowboy...
Should win this though if he has a 2 digit fight IQ.

 

[LEMONZEST]

I don’t remember but it was a thread talking shit about Asians and I feel like Asians are the group that nobody ever defends or everyone universally talks shit about and nobody cares.

This is absolutely true. If people talk shit about black people or gay people the media and culture in general will lose their mind. You can be racist to asians and get a pass. It is a huge inconsistency.

 

[LEMONZEST]

I could see Perry taking down Gall in order to impress his gf then getting armbared like he did against Cowboy...
Should win this though if he has a 2 digit fight IQ.

Is Gall's BJJ better than Felder? Is Gall's BJJ better than Brazillian Cowboy's? My point is that Perry has already been in there with legit fighters that have pretty good sub threats. Yeah he got caught by Cerrone but I don't view that as indicative of a huge hole in Mike Perry's game.

Amidst all the crazy stuff he has said leading up to this fight he also did say that he trained BJJ.

I am wrong all the time with my leans/picks but I will be very very surprised if Gall finds a sub v. Perry.

 

[LEMONZEST]

Sorry for another new guy terminalogy question. Give me another week or two hanging out here and I'll be up to speed

When you guys say "juiced" do you just mean the gap isn't what it should look like on the odds? House keeping too much of the total betted, presuming 50/50 on either side of the line money coming in. Favorite too favorited on odds while under dog not underdoggy enough + and - wise?

Yeah juiced just means someone is too heavy of a favourite. So right now Poirier is too juiced at -225 when he should be -175.

 

[GoatArtemLobov]

Is Gall's BJJ better than Felder? Is Gall's BJJ better than Brazillian Cowboy's? My point is that Perry has already been in there with legit fighters that have pretty good sub threats. Yeah he got caught by Cerrone but I don't view that as indicative of a huge hole in Mike Perry's game.

Amidst all the crazy stuff he has said leading up to this fight he also did say that he trained BJJ.

I am wrong all the time with my leans/picks but I will be very very surprised if Gall finds a sub v. Perry.

Me too but who knows.
Would have been a 5u play if he came with a trainer, but I kept it a 2u play as all this gf shit is too much of a questionmark...

 

[HockeyBjj]

Yeah juiced just means someone is too heavy of a favourite. So right now Poirier is too juiced at -225 when he should be -175.

It's heavy but I picked up $30 of Porier at -220 earlier this week. Felder has had too much problems with guys no where near Porier's level in Felder and Iaquinta so I feel alright with it. Seems I wasn't the only one as the line where I bet has shifted to -240 now.

So even if Porier odds wise is too much a favorite for what we think it should be (-175 or -200 does sounds more right to me) if Porier at this -225 but Hooker was 40 more + points, would that mean the line isn't juiced, it's just that this matchup is regarded by the public as not as close as us Sherdogger's consensus is?

 

[mkess101]

I'm living vicariously through Mickey Gall.

Guy is just a weeknight jiu jitsu gym trainee who dabbled in mma and standup a couple nights a week, and got the gift of a UFC fight against a pudgy WWE guy. Won that, because heck, anyone who has a blue belt from a decent jiu jitsu gym could have beaten CM Punk. Calls out the massively over-hyped prospect who's known for his Disney Channel boy bod more than his skills, and then wins that one. Hangs around getting low level guys tossed his way, has managed to win half of those. Now has another over hyped because he's an aggressive idiot matchup.

So yeah. I'll toss 5 bucks on him doing it again. Living the dream as an off the couch hobbyist in the highest professional organization of his sport. That coulda been me damnit.

Dude...no

 

[HockeyBjj]

Dude...no

Hyperbole

Yeah, I know he has some legit jiu jitsu skills far beyond me and my gym buddies

 

[mkess101]

Hyperbole

Yeah, I know he has some legit jiu jitsu skills far beyond me and my gym buddies

He's world class. You hang with arguably the best no gi grapler ever, you're really f'ing good.

That said, Gall has only showed flashes of it in MMA. But Perry still wants to avoid the mat like the plague in this fight.

 

[Broe.]

Yeah juiced just means someone is too heavy of a favourite. So right now Poirier is too juiced at -225 when he should be -175.

So there is value on Hooker?

 

[sonhow]

I know Gall is supposedly better mma grappler than his reputation suggests but he has been all top control so far. Even against Randy Brown he kinda looked weak on his back.

 

[t6p]

Is Gall's BJJ better than Felder? Is Gall's BJJ better than Brazillian Cowboy's? My point is that Perry has already been in there with legit fighters that have pretty good sub threats. Yeah he got caught by Cerrone but I don't view that as indicative of a huge hole in Mike Perry's game.

Amidst all the crazy stuff he has said leading up to this fight he also did say that he trained BJJ.

I am wrong all the time with my leans/picks but I will be very very surprised if Gall finds a sub v. Perry.

I get what you're saying but the answer to both of your questions is yes, imo. Outside of Cerrone, Gall will be the biggest sub threat he's faced.

Obviously, you have have to favor Perry, but paying -300 isn't worth it even without all the red flags.

 

[mkess101]

I know Gall is supposedly better mma grappler than his reputation suggests but he has been all top control so far. Even against Randy Brown he kinda looked weak on his back.

His gas tank isn't amazing. That's part of it. He swept Brown in Rd 2 and was in a dominant spot, but gassed and got controlled Rd 3.

If Gall hasn't improved his gas tank it's hard to see him having a lot of success late in the fight. His best chance is early, when he's fresh and neither of them are too sweaty. I think Gall is gonna shoot in and if Perry stuffs him, Gall tries to pull guard.