UFC On ESPN 12: Poirier vs. Hooker

I’m thinking that about Villante with him going to Heavyweight. Villante will be fighting at 25-30 pounds more than he usually does. Carrying that extra weight is tiring especially when cardio isn’t his strength.

GSP was tiring when he fought at MW and he had great cardio at WW.
I feel u on that. Villante may...but I think green will. I think he always does. Big, out of shape maybe not training right, smokin cigs and shit. Gasses and looks not that great. Things could have changed with the new camp but idk
 
I’m on Ramiz. Dude has fought in LFA for a handful of fights and has some finishes. Sato has a win over Ben Saunders which does nothing for me so I’ll take the dog here.

Ramiz is a beast when he doesn't gas, but he has a major problem with pacing. He'll have trouble with guys who can neutralize and defend. I don't have a good enough read on Sato to know if he can implement that in his game. A good example of a guy (different weight class though) who would give him fits is Hubbard.
 
Okay I realize most people favour Poirier to win but this is getting out of hand. He is -225 right now on 5d and Hooker is +185. If I was going to play this fight I would have to play Hooker at these prices.

At most Poirier should be like -175.
 
Okay I realize most people favour Poirier to win but this is getting out of hand. He is -225 right now on 5d and Hooker is +185. If I was going to play this fight I would have to play Hooker at these prices.

At most Poirier should be like -175.

I cap Dustin right at -200. Agree, no value at all on him now.
 
So all the expert and people predict Takashi Sato win yet it's still almost a pick em fight odds wise. Something doesn't add up here. How good is Ramiz?
Ramiz is not a good fighter thats been rushed into the UFC. He's got alright BJJ, aka he's a decent purple belt, but his wrestling is all muscling guys down in the clinch and he has about 5 minutes of cardio cause he has no idea how to manage his energy and has zero efficiency in what he does. Belal and Glaico Franca who subbed Sato before have way better cardio and grappling, Belal sets up and chains TD attempts together well and struggling to get Sato down even when he had solid position on him. Likewise it took Franca until R4 to find the finish.

Sato has way better cardio and striking, solid TDD especially in the clinch where Ramiz tries to force all his TDs. Sato has a judo background hence him being awkward to get down in the clinch, even when guys get the bodylock he knows how to stay heavy and is tough to move. He also hits solid TDs of his own in the clinch which wouldn't be surprising here with how reckless Ramiz is, and when he gets on top Sato has solid ground and pound.

The big concern is that Sato gives up his back constantly, but even Belal whose a solid backtaker struggled to consistently capitalise on that and Sato still fights hands well if guys get on the back. If Ramiz had cardio it'd be more concerning but the vast majority of his win path to muscle a takedown, get on the back and get the RNC all in the first round otherwise he's going to gas hard and get smashed. Such a limited win path shouldn't equal close odds. Of course if Ramiz does win it's likely early and he looks great, plus he's had a bit of a layoff so might have improved, but based on the tape Sato should be more favoured. It's a UFC level fighter against a guy who has been forcing quick submissions over cans on the regional circuit and whose shown clear inexperience and massive holes in his game vs sub-UFC level competition.
 
Ramiz is a beast when he doesn't gas, but he has a major problem with pacing. He'll have trouble with guys who can neutralize and defend. I don't have a good enough read on Sato to know if he can implement that in his game. A good example of a guy (different weight class though) who would give him fits is Hubbard.

yeah I’ve only taped one fight of Ramiz so far and it was against Marcurio or whatever. A Former UFC fighter (1-3 in UFC) who was pressuring Ramiz but Ramiz loves to scramble and is pretty decent at it and took dudes back off a sloppy takedown attempt and locked in a guillotine IIRC.

One thing I’ll bet on is a scrappy grappler that looks for and is successful at subs so I think a sub prop play might be worth it depending on the odds.

His lack of legit competition is a concern but I’m not that confident that Sato dominates from start to finish. Maybe live bet this fight.
 
Live bet question, as I’m pretty new to gambling

So if you time it right and have X fighter by KO sitting in your que, you could like hit submit at the time that one of those drawn out 10 second flurry’s to finish starts? is there a delay that like if the fight ends within 30 seconds of placing the bet, the bet is null?

Bookies couldn’t possibly shift the odds fast enough over someone hitting “submit” as it looks like the end.
 
Live bet question, as I’m pretty new to gambling

So if you time it right and have X fighter by KO sitting in your que, you could like hit submit at the time that one of those drawn out 10 second flurry’s to finish starts? is there a delay that like if the fight ends within 30 seconds of placing the bet, the bet is null?

Bookies couldn’t possibly shift the odds fast enough over someone hitting “submit” as it looks like the end.

Many of the books that offer “live-betting” only post odds between rounds. But, the ones that do actually offer LIVE betting generally freeze the odds several times during a round to avoid a bettor’s ability to capitalize on brief changes in action. Whether it’s the start of a flurry, a grappler getting deep on his opponent’s hips or taking the back, the line will usually be frozen then recalculated to account for it. It’s not impossible to catch a sports book sleeping, but I wouldn’t count on it.
 
Many of the books that offer “live-betting” only post odds between rounds. But, the ones that do actually offer LIVE betting generally freeze the odds several times during a round to avoid a bettor’s ability to capitalize on brief changes in action. Whether it’s the start of a flurry, a grappler getting deep on his opponent’s hips or taking the back, the line will usually be frozen then recalculated to account for it. It’s not impossible to catch a sports book sleeping, but I wouldn’t count on it.

Thanks. Bookies having a "freeze" button makes sense there for when a pivotal moment that can majorly swing a fight happens

Figured there had to be some safeguard against what I was thinking
 
Live bet question, as I’m pretty new to gambling

So if you time it right and have X fighter by KO sitting in your que, you could like hit submit at the time that one of those drawn out 10 second flurry’s to finish starts? is there a delay that like if the fight ends within 30 seconds of placing the bet, the bet is null?

Bookies couldn’t possibly shift the odds fast enough over someone hitting “submit” as it looks like the end.

Try actually live betting. It doesn't work like that and the lines are pulled frequently. Bet365 has a sort of true livebetting with lines showing up all the time during the fight. You just need to keep refreshing.

5dimes only offer live betting between rounds. You also need to keep refreshing at about 30 seconds before the round is over.
 
Try actually live betting. It doesn't work like that and the lines are pulled frequently. Bet365 has a sort of true livebetting with lines showing up all the time during the fight. You just need to keep refreshing.

5dimes only offer live betting between rounds. You also need to keep refreshing at about 30 seconds before the round is over.

Ok. Guy I was listening too about live betting (bored at work) has a screenshot of his Twitter in a bet365 slip so it’s probably that, but I guess that’s rare and to not look for it really on BetRivers. They don’t even offer anything more than Mainlines on prelim fights
 
Try actually live betting. It doesn't work like that and the lines are pulled frequently. Bet365 has a sort of true livebetting with lines showing up all the time during the fight. You just need to keep refreshing.

5dimes only offer live betting between rounds. You also need to keep refreshing at about 30 seconds before the round is over.

On my phone, it auto updates without refreshing. I'm on an android.
 
Ramiz is not a good fighter thats been rushed into the UFC. He's got alright BJJ, aka he's a decent purple belt, but his wrestling is all muscling guys down in the clinch and he has about 5 minutes of cardio cause he has no idea how to manage his energy and has zero efficiency in what he does. Belal and Glaico Franca who subbed Sato before have way better cardio and grappling, Belal sets up and chains TD attempts together well and struggling to get Sato down even when he had solid position on him. Likewise it took Franca until R4 to find the finish.

Sato has way better cardio and striking, solid TDD especially in the clinch where Ramiz tries to force all his TDs. Sato has a judo background hence him being awkward to get down in the clinch, even when guys get the bodylock he knows how to stay heavy and is tough to move. He also hits solid TDs of his own in the clinch which wouldn't be surprising here with how reckless Ramiz is, and when he gets on top Sato has solid ground and pound.

The big concern is that Sato gives up his back constantly, but even Belal whose a solid backtaker struggled to consistently capitalise on that and Sato still fights hands well if guys get on the back. If Ramiz had cardio it'd be more concerning but the vast majority of his win path to muscle a takedown, get on the back and get the RNC all in the first round otherwise he's going to gas hard and get smashed. Such a limited win path shouldn't equal close odds. Of course if Ramiz does win it's likely early and he looks great, plus he's had a bit of a layoff so might have improved, but based on the tape Sato should be more favoured. It's a UFC level fighter against a guy who has been forcing quick submissions over cans on the regional circuit and whose shown clear inexperience and massive holes in his game vs sub-UFC level competition.
Thank you for the solid write up.
 
i really like the over 1.5 takedown prop in the Pena vs Worthy fight x2.1. I am sure Pena can get more than 1 takedown.
 
Live bet question, as I’m pretty new to gambling

So if you time it right and have X fighter by KO sitting in your que, you could like hit submit at the time that one of those drawn out 10 second flurry’s to finish starts? is there a delay that like if the fight ends within 30 seconds of placing the bet, the bet is null?

Bookies couldn’t possibly shift the odds fast enough over someone hitting “submit” as it looks like the end.
also streams have like a 10 sec delay, unless you are watching it on TV there will be a delay. Still there are usually plenty of good livebetting opportunities. For example Emmett was still an underdog after knocking down Burrgos in the 3d round and there was plenty of time to bet him.
 
Live bet question, as I’m pretty new to gambling

So if you time it right and have X fighter by KO sitting in your que, you could like hit submit at the time that one of those drawn out 10 second flurry’s to finish starts? is there a delay that like if the fight ends within 30 seconds of placing the bet, the bet is null?

Bookies couldn’t possibly shift the odds fast enough over someone hitting “submit” as it looks like the end.
If you go to Las Vegas, then you can experience true live betting through the William Hill app on your phone. William Hill started offering live betting a couple of UFC events ago. Vegas in general is really picking up the slack in terms of props, parlaying props, and live betting -- 2019 was shitty for all of this stuff when it came to UFC betting.

Bookmaker used to be the place where most of us (the older guys, not most of the current guys in this thread) used to live bet UFC fights, before Bookmaker removed live betting altogether.
 
i really like the over 1.5 takedown prop in the Pena vs Worthy fight x2.1. I am sure Pena can get more than 1 takedown.

Great line. Esp because Pena doesn't rest with top position. He's active and tries to advance, do damage, etc. Which gives opportunities for his opponents to stand up. I could see Pena getting 2 just in Rd 1 honestly.
 
i really like the over 1.5 takedown prop in the Pena vs Worthy fight x2.1. I am sure Pena can get more than 1 takedown.

sorry I misunderstood. Yeah its likely Pena gets lots of TDs.
 
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