UFC Has Lost All Credibility With RR/WMMA

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I don't think Cyborg is clearly better than Rousey, just like I didn't think she was clearly better than Carano, but she is too much for them Just like anyone who says Weidman is clearly better than Anderson is a fool, but Weidman is too much for Anderson.

What leads you to believe Cyborg is too much for Rousey, especially at 135? Rousey would easily be the most skilled and one of the strongest ladies Cyborg has ever fought.

I guess having fans disagree who would win the fight is one of the best reasons to make the fight.

 

[SherdogJoe]

Dana trying so hard to establish her as a superstar with subpar competition has lost all credibility with me. Anyone with half a brain knew Davis had no chance.

Anyone with half a brain who knows the outcome of a fight before it happens would've bet very large on the fight. Free money right? So how much did you bet? Thousands I assume?

If not then you're the one who's lost credibility because you're dumb as hell.

 

[Joe Hallenbeck]

Who wants to watch WMMA anyway.

 

[The5thgod]

What leads you to believe Cyborg is too much for Rousey, especially at 135? Rousey would easily be the most skilled and one of the strongest ladies Cyborg has ever fought.

I guess having fans disagree who would win the fight is one of the best reasons to make the fight.

Maybe not at 135, but we all know it will be one hell of a struggle for her to make 135 hence the reason Rousey won't fight her at 145. And your argument will be well Rousey is the champ so she needs to come down to 135 Rousey shouldn't have to go up, but Rousey used to fight at 145 and arguably dropped down to 135 to avoid Cyborg. So with that being said even if Cyborg came to the UFC and fought Rousey at 135 and lost, there would still be the argument that Rousey could only beat her with the handicap of fighting at 135.

 

[Jet40]

100% agree. The only ones who are defending her are her white knights, who think they can get lucky with her by ass kissing

The only ones knocking her are the keyboard warriors who deep down know that she could kick there ass.

 

[SocraticMethod]

Except Anderson or GSP never made their opposition look as pitiful as Ronda has. Nobody has among men in MMA has made their opposition look that pathetic over and over again since Royce was fighting guys who never heard of BJJ and literally did not understand what ground fighting was.

I think Anderson made Leben, Irvin, Forrest and even Franklin look just as bad as Rousey made Davis look. Vitor and Okami aren't far behind.

Your the dipshit. If the talent pool was so deep at 135 we wouldn't be watching Alexis Davis fight for the title idiot. And if she was looking to fight "talent" then she would have to look no further then to the one woman 95% of anyone who pays attention to mma know will beat her whether they like it or not.

The talent pool at 135 is objectively deeper than 145. That's why SF was planning to get rid of the 145 pound division BEFORE Cyborg failed her drug test and was stripped of the title. Before her last defense (the one that was overturned) SF had already spoken to Cyborg about dropping down to 135 because there weren't enough women for 145. This makes sense in light of the number of blown up 135ers (and 125ers) that both Cyborg and Gina beat on their road to stardom.

In other words, even if the UFC decided to a 145-pound division instead of 135 to accommodate Cyborg instead of Rousey, it's very likely that Davis would have wound up with a title shot anyway, since most of the women challenging at 145 are really 135ers.

I don't think you're a dipshit, though - I just have a different opinion.

Look, obviously WBW isn't the shark tank that the mens' LW or WW divisions are, or even what MW has become. I don't think anyone is saying that it is. But I don't see why that should serve to discredit Rousey's accomplishments, because she's playing under the same rules and circumstances that all these other women are - she's just that much better. It's not like she has some unfair advantage. She's been busting her ass training judo since she was a kid: I'm unaware of anything that was stopping any of these other women from doing the same. In fact, I believe Davis has been training BJJ and kickboxing since she was a teenager and that McMann started training wrestling when she was a kid - Ronda was/is just a better fighter than them.

And if any of them haven't been doing the same, how is that a knock against Rousey? We're going to discredit her for being a harder worker and more dedicated to her opponents? Is that type of hard work and dedication exactly what martial arts are supposed to be about? So, WMMA is still developing, sure - I totally agree, but I don't see how it's not impressive as hell that Rousey, in such a short period of time, got so much better than all of her peers.

 

[SODACKER]

Maybe not at 135, but we all know it will be one hell of a struggle for her to make 135 hence the reason Rousey won't fight her at 145. And your argument will be well Rousey is the champ so she needs to come down to 135 Rousey shouldn't have to go up, but Rousey used to fight at 145 and arguably dropped down to 135 to avoid Cyborg. So with that being said even if Cyborg came to the UFC and fought Rousey at 135 and lost, there would still be the argument that Rousey could only beat her with the handicap of fighting at 135.

Can we say that Aldo was never as good as Edgar cause Aldo never fought at 155.

 

[SocraticMethod]

Yeah, Silva quickly dismantled many UFC fighters:
Leben 0:49
Franklin 2:59
Irvin 1:01
Griffin 3:23
Belfort 3:25
Bonnar 4:40
Marquadt 4:50


There is just hardly any competition for Rousey. Does the UFC even have another opponent for her?

When is Zingano even fighting again? She is in the same black hole Pettis and Cruz are in.

She should be back soon. She apparently competed in a grappling match at the UFC Fan Expo this past weekend, winning by flying armbar:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-c...ngano-wins-with-flying-arm-bar-152710121.html

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After her, Bethe Correia could set herself up nicely by beating Baszler next week. In addition to being undefeated, there'd be ready-made drama since Bethe would wins over two of Rousey's horsechicks if that happens. Eye could get herself back into contention with one or two quick wins, since a lot of people thought she should have gotten the nod over Davis in the first place.

Personally, I want to see McMann put a win-streak together and get back to the top of the list, because I don't think a second fight with Rousey would go like the first one did.

Hopefully she only has to do have 1 or 2 more defenses before Cyborg gets down to 135 and comes over, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Rousey used to fight at 145 and arguably dropped down to 135 to avoid Cyborg.

Just stop it. Bantamweight is a great fit for Rousey, and she dropped to a division with better competition, not worse.

So with that being said even if Cyborg came to the UFC and fought Rousey at 135 and lost, there would still be the argument that Rousey could only beat her with the handicap of fighting at 135.

And if Cyborg wins at 145 Rousey fans with your mindset will argue that Cyborg only won because she is bigger than Rousey. This is why superfights never happen, because fans cannot accept either fighter having a slight weight advantage or disadvantage.

Rousey is a much bigger name than Cyborg, has accomplished more in MMA than Cyborg has, and is champion in the premier MMA organization. None of that means Rousey is a better fighter than Cyborg, but it does mean Cyborg needs this fight much more than Rousey does. If this fight ever happens, it will happen at 135, because Cyborg has no leverage to negotiate anything different.

 

[mikekoz68]

Why is it that when there's a fast win in WMMA it loses legitimacy, but in men's MMA 'The guys a warrior!'?

That's a very god point. Had Weidman thrown Machida down, winded him and threw punches to his face and ended it -on the first exchange he would be "A Beast"!!

 

[Unbreakabull]

ronda rousey will be all dana has. He'll be like steve martin at the end of the jerk, walking away from the ufc with a handful of items... "All i need is this ufc cozy, this old chuck poster and ronda rousey..."

someone post a shoop of dana ala the jerk holding these things... thx ahead of time...

 

[Philharmonik]

I was referring to when they were in Strikeforce genius.

No one is ducking anybody. Cyborg just makes terrible decisions for her career.

Let me help you out here.

Rondas last fight at 145 was on Nov 18th 2011 against Julia Budd.

Cyborg fought on Dec 17th, that same year, against Hiroko Yamanaka. That fight was a NC due to Cyborg testing positive, and she was suspended for a year. The 145lb division was done after that happened.

You also might want to read this.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/cris-cyborg-unleashes-after-ronda-rousey-victory-looking-to-leave-strikeforce

and this...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/if-victorious-in-ufc-debut-ronda-rousey-will-likely-face-cris-cyborg-next

Also, to add more, Cyborg recently had the fight right there in front of her but turned it down. She asked to be released from her UFC contract. Said she couldn't make the weight, she would die, or couldn't have kids. Now that she is released, she has gone on record as saying she wants to cut the weight to 135. Cyborg makes some very weird career decisions. Why did she ask to be released from the UFC, when she had the Rousey fight right there in front of her face???? We could have already seen this fight go down, but Cyborg is the one that is making the bad career choices and preventing it from happening. Not Ronda Rousey. Cyborg just needs to make the weight and go from there.

 

[echohead]

Couture getting title shots coming off of losses didn't do it for you? Sonnens silly titleshot at lhw didnt do it? The worst judging in sports didn't do it?
But a marketing push on a undefeated fighter has.

 

[The5thgod]

Can we say that Aldo was never as good as Edgar cause Aldo never fought at 155.

How does that even make sense to what I said? Aldo never fought at 155. Exactly. Rousey fought at 145.

 

[mikekoz68]

Ok, LOL. Davis got ko'ed by forehead shots from a 135 pound female. Ok. If you're getting ko'ed by forehead punches by a 135 pound person in a schoolyard headlock. You probably shouldn't fight, seeing that your chin is nonexistent.

I'm willing to bet that if RR threw you, landed on top and knocked the wind out of you, had ur arm trapped underneath and repeatedly punch you in the face, the ref would stop the fight before you even knew what happened.

Did you see when she threw that reporter? And she was going easy on him, imagine if she landed on you for real

 

[The5thgod]

No one is ducking anybody. Cyborg just makes terrible decisions for her career.

Let me help you out here.

Rondas last fight at 145 was on Nov 18th 2011 against Julia Budd.

Cyborg fought on Dec 17th, that same year, against Hiroko Yamanaka. That fight was a NC due to Cyborg testing positive, and she was suspended for a year. The 145lb division was done after that happened.

You also might want to read this.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/cris-cyborg-unleashes-after-ronda-rousey-victory-looking-to-leave-strikeforce

and this...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/if-victorious-in-ufc-debut-ronda-rousey-will-likely-face-cris-cyborg-next

Also, to add more, Cyborg recently had the fight right there in front of her but turned it down. She asked to be released from her UFC contract. Said she couldn't make the weight, she would die, or couldn't have kids. Now that she is released, she has gone on record as saying she wants to cut the weight to 135. Cyborg makes some very weird career decisions. Why did she ask to be released from the UFC, when she had the Rousey fight right there in front of her face???? We could have already seen this fight go down, but Cyborg is the one that is making the bad career choices and preventing it from happening. Not Ronda Rousey. Cyborg just needs to make the weight and go from there.

She obviously turned it down because like she said it would hurt her to make the extra cut. Now she's obviously saying she'll do it because she knows it will be the biggest payday of her career. My whole point is just that Rousey claims she's the best and that she can beat everyone woman in the world so why not prove it and fight at 145 where you've fought at in the past and just end all speculation?

 

[Kenro199x]

No one is ducking anybody. Cyborg just makes terrible decisions for her career.

I think Cyborg takes this fight but I agree with this 100%. Ronda is not ducking anyone and yes Cyborg makes terrible career decisions.

 

[SocraticMethod]

She obviously turned it down because like she said it would hurt her to make the extra cut. Now she's obviously saying she'll do it because she knows it will be the biggest payday of her career. My whole point is just that Rousey claims she's the best and that she can beat everyone woman in the world so why not prove it and fight at 145 where you've fought at in the past and just end all speculation?

I'm sure someone (not you) will call me a "white knight" for this opinion, but I think Rousey would be fine with fighting Cyborg at 145 or a catchweight, but the UFC will never let it happen because if Cyborg wins there's nothing to do with her (since there's no 145-pound division) and you just damaged one of your few remaining stars. You'd be bringing someone in for a one-off with a legitimate chance to beat Rousey, screw the Rousey train up, and then get nothing out of it. On the other hand, if Cyborg can make 135, then you'd just have a new champion who you market as a killer and hope for Ronda (or another pretty face) comes back to challenge her.

Just my two cents.

 

[The5thgod]

I'm sure someone (not you) will call me a "white knight" for this opinion, but I think Rousey would be fine with fighting Cyborg at 145 or a catchweight, but the UFC will never let it happen because if Cyborg wins there's nothing to do with her (since there's no 145-pound division) and you just damaged one of your few remaining stars. You'd be bringing someone in for a one-off with a legitimate chance to beat Rousey, screw the Rousey train up, and then get nothing out of it. On the other hand, if Cyborg can make 135, then you'd just have a new champion who you market as a killer and hope for Ronda (or another pretty face) comes back to challenge her.

Just my two cents.

I agree with you. But I still don't think Rousey would fight her at 145. I see Rousey defending her belt 2 or 3 more times and then retiring to do mediocre movies like Expendables 3.

 

[Philharmonik]

I'm sure someone (not you) will call me a "white knight" for this opinion, but I think Rousey would be fine with fighting Cyborg at 145 or a catchweight, but the UFC will never let it happen because if Cyborg wins there's nothing to do with her (since there's no 145-pound division) and you just damaged one of your few remaining stars. You'd be bringing someone in for a one-off with a legitimate chance to beat Rousey, screw the Rousey train up, and then get nothing out of it. On the other hand, if Cyborg can make 135, then you'd just have a new champion who you market as a killer and hope for Ronda (or another pretty face) comes back to challenge her.

Just my two cents.

Pretty much what I was going to say. Cyborg needs to make 135 and hang around. I'm sure if she came in and just destroyed Rousey, the casual fans would go apeshit. Everything could work out great for Cyborg. Make the weight, test clean with multiple tests, win the fight and the belt. If she doesn't want to do any of that, and just wants a one time fight at a catchweight, well thats her problem.