UFC "best boxer" hilarity

[Bowel-forged Stool]

No one has ever claimed an MMA fighter who is focused on MMA is an elite boxer. Same way no one ever claims an elite boxer is elite at MMA. Yes someone like Ray Mercer can KO someone like Tim Sylvia. At HW anyone can get KO'd. But Mercer sure as hell won't get any head kick KO's or triangle choke submissions.

Michael Jordan is the GOAT of the NBA but he is never going to worry Wayne Gretzky on an ice rink. Doesn't make MJ any less of a basket ball legend.

And Bo Jackson was good at football, but it doesn’t mean he could swing a baseball bat better than Jordan.. oh shit..

 

[drbolony]

Yeah, I know.

That's why Deontay Wilder sucks at boxing right?

Lol, the one anomaly? What a boxing expert. Clown, you don't know anything about striking or boxing. Enjoy the sport, but keep your mouth shut, the men are talking.

Lets be real here its probably izzy.

In telling you as the biggest Izzy fan on this forum, Volkanovski is a better pure boxer than Izzy in multiple facets. Izzy is an amazing kickboxer.

People just copy the shit Rogan and the others say.
Talking up your sparring partner as a boxing world champion is just common.
Andre Ward - Diaz brothers

They are solid sparring partners.
- No power - good for boxer's health
- Good cardio - lots of repetitions
- Good chin - good punching bag

This guy gets it.

 

[weaselkenievil]

Scoff all you like, if better boxers fancy it I’d love to see it. The money argument doesn’t wash, there must be 1000’s of failed boxers would fight for MMA money. If they could, they would.

 

[OldBoy91]

Most people have no idea what they are watching tbf.

Basically every so called "expert" going into the Kattar/Allen fight was saying Kattar had a big advantage with the boxing and Allen would have to shoot for takedowns to have any chance of success.

This is because Allen is well rounded so people who don't really know what they are looking at throw him into a 'jack of all trades, master of none' category. Whereas Kattar mainly boxes, so people take that and say "He's a great boxer because he outboxes wrestlers."

Anybody with half a clue and any awareness of the fighters involved knew that Allen was going to box Kattar's ears off if the fight remained standing. Yeah he's more well rounded than Kattar, he's also better at the thing that Kattar does best.

 

[ColombianFist]

Most mma fans are oblivious to the fact boxers are trained since childhood/teenage years and the grind in training is hard. even athletic freaks like Joshua and Wilder who started late, had to go a lot to get the skills they have currently; whereas the mma fighter trains too many disciplines in too little time.some get good at one skill or at many, but that's not a indicator of mastery.

 

[Jake the Muss]

Anderson Silva looked pretty good in the ring, even for a 47 year old against Jake Paul.

Who knows how far he would’ve gone if he stuck to just boxing.

 

[Johnnny]

Best boxer in the UFC is Alexander Volkanovski, no doubt.

The best boxer in the UFC got dropped by Brian Ortega?

The same guy that has such bad boxing he literally got a boxing lesson in the middle of a UFC fight.

 

[drbolony]

The best boxer in the UFC got dropped by Brian Ortega?

The same guy that has such bad boxing he literally got a boxing lesson in the middle of a UFC fight.

You're right, none of the good strikers in this sport ever get dropped by lesser strikers. Such evidence, such knowledge. It's crazy how confidently you guys expose your lack of knowledge. Lol.

 

[getupandfightsuckah!]

I have noticed a lot of claims of "the best boxer in the UFC" the past few years... probably because it can't exactly be argued objectively lol MMA boxing and pure boxing are 2 very different things... hell, just watch bare knuckle boxing -- plays out a lot differently than boxing matches.

Yeah and even with bare knuckle boxing, modern “bare knuckle” with hand wraps, limited clinch work, and limited number of rounds is a hell of a lot different than original bare knuckle boxing with no wraps, much less restrictions on clinch work, and more rounds.

 

[getupandfightsuckah!]

It's incredibly difficult and subjective to anoint someone as the "best boxer in the UFC", given that there are so many other things happening in an MMA fight. The so called "best boxer in MMA" would need to have many other developed skills to even begin to show their boxing skills. So someone may indeed have better hands than someone, but appear as a much worse boxer in an MMA fight if they have no grappling/kicking ability. So it's nearly impossible to discern. Still a fun discussion though and no need to hate on it.

Exactly. Conor McGregor got dropped by Khabib but it’s not because Khabib has better hands in a vacuum than McGregor, it’s because Khabib was taking down and ground and pounding Conor so much that he didn’t feel comfortable getting his striking off. Same reason why Fedor was able to outstrike Cro Cop in their legendary match.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

You do realize that most are speaking of boxing in comparison to other MMA fighters and relative to MMA as a hole.

Wait, did you mean as a "whole" or are you cursing?

 

[getupandfightsuckah!]

I love how whenever a fighter has a decent show with their hands the collective MMA fan base is immediate to include them as elite boxers. This was true for Yan (who has looked sloppy as hell routinely), kattar (because, frankly, I have no idea why), Diaz brothers (apparently being punching bags and having reach advantages on opponents = elite boxing, despite clear and obvious shit technique, power, defense, etc).

The fan base has an obsession with boxing, and always wants to laude the latest hand strike performance as a boxing master class despite the performances usually being shit boxing

Ok if you’re going to talk this way, what specifically do you find lacking in their MMA boxing? For instance, what is it specifically about Yan’s boxing in the context of MMA that you find lacking? And if the fighters listed don’t have the best MMA boxing, then who does?

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Khabib and Islam are the best boxers in MMA

Ben and Punk say hello

 

[Mayonnaiseandjelly]

Ok if you’re going to talk this way, what specifically do you find lacking in their MMA boxing? For instance, what is it specifically about Yan’s boxing in the context of MMA that you find lacking? And if the fighters listed don’t have the best MMA boxing, then who does?

Seriously? He resorts to brawling leaving his face open whenever he gets flustered. His lunging, off balance overhand is horrible right is horrible. His guard is almost entirely tight high guard (a la MT).
Demetrius Johnso, for example, has way better boxing.

makes volkanovski has way better boxing than any of those guys.

max has regressed athletically, but he has great feet, shot selection and defense for someone who throws as much volume as he does. Far superior to yan in karat in terms of boxing.
Dustin poirier has some of the best boxing as well. Almost never gets praised for it because he’s not flashy

some lower tier guys that have good boxing would be yanez (even if poor defense),

 

[Post 2 Decision]

shit thread, this is like saying GSP’s MMA wrestling wasn’t good wrestling because if he got denied once or someone got up. MMA Boxing is about its effect on winning. Yeah Diaz bros take damage but their boxing set up their BJJ, in Nicks case it made him a world champion and in Nate’s he got an underdog win on McGregor who was easily the most feared striker at the time who immediately turned into a panic wrestler after being stunned. Nate’s boxing has rocked Leon Edwards the current WW champ and lead to a victory over Tony. Y’all have this obsession with perfection in MMA and it’s cringey af. UFC has brainwashed a lot of you to be this way because they have a revolving door of fighters and if you’re not undefeated you basically get pushed back to the end of the line.

I swear it never used to be like this, until Khabib came and one of his only claims to top tier fame is that he didn't lose to Tibau

 

[ferrisjso]

You are def on to something.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Yeah, I know.

That's why Deontay Wilder sucks at boxing right?

i mean, yeah kinda. his boxing skill is not how he wins fights.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

And Bo Jackson was good at football, but it doesn’t mean he could swing a baseball bat better than Jordan.. oh shit..

To be fair a lot of people who aren't MLB level players can swing a bat better than MJ.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Where did you get that from?

The hoard of UFC fighters Tweeting stupid things during that fight and tagging UFC, Dana, Ronda, etc

 

[djason1988]

Crazy as it is, the best boxer in the ufc (aside from james tones, lol) was Holly Holm. She was a WW champion with world titles in multiple orgs.