UFC 217 - Bisping vs GSP - NYC

[wack3d]

wtf no gsp/bisping face-off?

 

[SBJJ]

wtf no gsp/bisping face-off?

GSP was delivering his baby backstage

 

[Andy Capp]

Lol I hadn’t seen recent pics of him until this.

Bisping is going to smash him


And full disclosure: I was always a fan of gsp, never liked bisping

Then that's an awful lot of confidence for a gambler to have, especially when GSP is still apparently the favorite on the money line. Again, for the record, I don't have 100% confidence in my reasoning, but I think it's laughable to have 100% confidence in Bisping too; if you do, get cracking with the wagers already.

 

[quincy k]

wtf no gsp/bisping face-off?

tj and garbrandt as well

 

[Andy Capp]

Or it's wolf tickets that he never stopped training

Possibly, in which case I will be very wrong and that's ok. I'm not wagering my self-respect. I give that about a 10 percent chance of being true, however.

 

[Oblivian]

Then that's an awful lot of confidence for a gambler to have, especially when GSP is still apparently the favorite on the money line. Again, for the record, I don't have 100% confidence in my reasoning, but I think it's laughable to have 100% confidence in Bisping too; if you do, get cracking with the wagers already.

That's pretty much how this forum works. Everyone talks about their bet as if it's a lock and the other side is idiotic for even thinking about making that play.

 

[Andy Capp]

That's pretty much how this forum works. Everyone talks about their bet as if it's a lock and the other side is idiotic for even thinking about making that play.

Um, I know, which is why I said it. ;-)

 

[TheOneTrueKing]

Would gsp be coming back now if bisping wasn't champ. He seen an opportunity to chance being 2 weight champ and get a bit of cash. The record books would show it even tho it isn't really. Why in 4 yrs hasn't he come back before now to go for either belt if he was up too it. Doesn't take 4 yes to get hunger back. He ain't gonna defend if he wins. He's thinking bisping then connor

 

[MMA Goodfella]

????
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How do we know Belal has much better wrestling than Gall? Belal's shots were setup poorly in that fight and he still managed to get Brown down twice AND get to his back (a habit Brown tends to have when scrambling).

This fight is realistically a pick em. It's Gall's toughest competition yet, but Brown isn't that great either and leaves a lot to be desired. Randy touted his brown belt recently as a credential that proves he will be ready for Gall on the ground, yet he got his back taken and controlled by a blue belt in Belal. He generally has a lot of bad habits on the ground so it was interesting to hear he's a brown belt.

He has decent kicks at times, but often throws them naked which Gall will look to catch and shoot a single off of. Gall's striking has looked amateurish in his bouts, but Randy's boxing hasn't been much to write home about either. The times Belal got tagged his head was stationary on the center line and they didn't exactly send him reeling.

This fight feels like it could end up a sloppy affair with it coming down to a few key scrambles. I tend to favor Gall's ability to pounce and seize the opportunity on the ground with a slight lean to Randy's on the feet just because we haven't seen a ton of Gall at this point. Coin flip, and with a gun to my head I'd take Gall by sub just because I don't like the glaring difference in skill in the grappling. On the other hand, if Randy lands a counter shot on Gall coming in and finishes him against the fence, I'll hardly faint.

I’m going to watch one more round of Gall’s fights but as of now we slightly disagree on a few principal aspects of the two parties abilities and the subsequent advantages. Specifically, I believe you are rating Gall’s wrestling higher than I do. Indeed, Gall and Muhammad were both just HS wrestlers so comparing credentials is impossible, but Belal has faced much greater competition than Gall and to my eye has a more fundamental attack. That said, I think Gall is far better in straight BJJ by some degree. Mickey’s TDs appear almost Dhiego Lima-esque where there’s not much speed and power then penetration on the shot but instead are more opportunistic grappling artists. That is to say, Mickey is great at taking advantage of his opponents mistakes in a scramble or else dive-bombing on a submission if he gets a knockdown.

Brown really uses every inch of his anatomy and understands how to maximize his height and reach over smaller opponents. This fight Brown is going to have a 1” height and 4” reach advantage over Gall as they are 6’2” and 6’3” tall with 74” and 78” reach respectively. If Brown can keep Gall on the end of his punches and work a good stiff jab, I believe he has the speed and cleaner striking to really tune Mickey up. I think Gall has to find a way to take Brown down and I’m very skeptical of his chances.

While Gall and Muhammad aren’t separated very much and straight up wrestling credentials, Muhammad is a much more polished striker and this allowed him to get in close on Brown and secure TDs as he had Brown off balance or retreating. Unless Mickey’s striking has improved significantly over the last few months, I’ve just see Randy picking him him apart from the fringe and stuffing his shots in open space.

Finally, Brown has said in multiple interviews that this entire camp frevolved around grappling and anti-wrestling. Learning how to remain vertical. But I do agree that if he engages Gall in a grappling match that he is going to get smoked.

 

[ill800]

Then that's an awful lot of confidence for a gambler to have, especially when GSP is still apparently the favorite on the money line. Again, for the record, I don't have 100% confidence in my reasoning, but I think it's laughable to have 100% confidence in Bisping too; if you do, get cracking with the wagers already.

I’ve already made my play on bisping

Will probably add more.

I’ve already gave out my gambling advice for this fight. Dunno why anyone would even consider gsp at these prices. How many red flags do you need?

 

[betrayedlurker]

Lol I hadn’t seen recent pics of him until this.

Bisping is going to smash him


And full disclosure: I was always a fan of gsp, never liked bisping

R-r-r-respect

 

[ill800]

Have you seen his training video at 185?

I tend to listen to what people do instead of what they say.

Especially guys who say they’ve been abducted by aliens.

But who knows. Maybe he’s right. He may have learned new techniques from #elite alien martial artists

Training in anti gravity chambers in a far off world...

 

[Andy Capp]

Would gsp be coming back now if bisping wasn't champ. He seen an opportunity to chance being 2 weight champ and get a bit of cash. The record books would show it even tho it isn't really. Why in 4 yrs hasn't he come back before now to go for either belt if he was up too it. Doesn't take 4 yes to get hunger back. He ain't gonna defend if he wins. He's thinking bisping then connor

If he's just coming to make a quick buck and likely to lose, what difference does it make whom he is fighting? If GSP isn't really firing on all cylinders he's going to lose no matter who the MW champ happens to be upon his return. He must know that.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Worst open workout ever, can't learn much from this. Would have preferred to see Megan Olivi do an open workout

 

[ill800]

Would gsp be coming back now if bisping wasn't champ. He seen an opportunity to chance being 2 weight champ and get a bit of cash. The record books would show it even tho it isn't really. Why in 4 yrs hasn't he come back before now to go for either belt if he was up too it. Doesn't take 4 yes to get hunger back. He ain't gonna defend if he wins. He's thinking bisping then connor

Or he saw an opportunity to earn millions of dollars and not have to face a savage gorilla like Romero who would smash his face in

 

[pytycrys]

Oh c'mon. The thing with the "alien abduction" is getting so old. Stop mocking the guy. Have you even listened to the full interview? He constantly says he doesn't know what may happen when he allegedly suffers that time loss. Also, I found the Socrate example very intelligently put.
Also, those who say it's from to much trauma -> he mentions he got this stuff going on since he was a kid.

I know you are trying more reasons for your plays on Bisping. Hell, even I tend to believe that Bisping will win.
BUT, stop making one of the smartest guys in the industry look like a stupid prick. You have Mike Perry for example and you guys go for GSP? Hehe

 

[DannyYag]

Hey guys. Long time mma fan and amateur fighter, long time bettor, first time poster. I was somebody who used to love to take risks and do parlays and sometimes it paid off, sometimes it didn’t. Recently it hasn’t, thank you Darren Till (who screwed up my 6 fight parlay as I’ve guessed the other 5 fights correct and ending up losing and winning nothing). I’m retiring as a gambler since I’m deep in my grad school program. My bookie, who is also a close personal friend of mine, owes me about $436. I want to make one last bet on 217 with that money and do anywhere from a 3 to 5 fight parlay, this time taking less risk, and choosing the easiest picks regardless of the odds. What do yo guys think? I’m not touching Cody/TJ. Definitely including Harris and JJ in there. Looking at Bisping, OSP, and Duffy. What do you guys think about the undercard of this fight it’s pretty stacked. Definitely looking forward to see Oleinik again.

 

[Orion]

11 other fights on this card and everyone goes round and round about a fight with a guy returning from 4 years off and another that hasn't fought in over a year now. There isn't any discussion to be had besides the obvious: GSP was P4P the better fighter in his prime, Bisping has fought more recently, and he is bigger. I'll pass on rolling the dice there when we're going off anecdotes like, "he had a gut in that video" and "his jab looked slow hitting the pads."

 

[betrayedlurker]

Oh c'mon. The thing with the "alien abduction" is getting so old. Stop mocking the guy. Have you even listened to the full interview? He constantly says he doesn't know what may happen when he allegedly suffers that time loss. Also, I found the Socrate example very intelligently put.
Also, those who say it's from to much trauma -> he mentions he got this stuff going on since he was a kid.

I know you are trying more reasons for your plays on Bisping. Hell, even I tend to believe that Bisping will win.
BUT, stop making one of the smartest guys in the industry look like a stupid prick. You have Mike Perry for example and you guys go for GSP? Hehe

I'm very glad you're a member on this board, pytycrys, but I am not impressed by your post, and I look forward to proving you wrong on Saturday.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Hey guys. Long time mma fan and amateur fighter, long time bettor, first time poster. I was somebody who used to love to take risks and do parlays and sometimes it paid off, sometimes it didn’t. Recently it hasn’t, thank you Darren Till (who screwed up my 6 fight parlay as I’ve guessed the other 5 fights correct and ending up losing and winning nothing). I’m retiring as a gambler since I’m deep in my grad school program. My bookie, who is also a close personal friend of mine, owes me about $436. I want to make one last bet on 217 with that money and do anywhere from a 3 to 5 fight parlay, this time taking less risk, and choosing the easiest picks regardless of the odds. What do yo guys think? I’m not touching Cody/TJ. Definitely including Harris and JJ in there. Looking at Bisping, OSP, and Duffy. What do you guys think about the undercard of this fight it’s pretty stacked. Definitely looking forward to see Oleinik again.

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