UFC 200 - DC vs JJ 2 - Vegas

[kenCs]

Think Hendricks is different post usada, Gastelum huge 170, puts good pressure, Hendricks coming back from KO somewhat early, won't be able to take Gastelum down in my opinion. Closely contested on the feet. Worth a dog play

I think Hendricks is a future champ imo. Hendricks is a goo test for him right now. I know he lost to Magny but I thought he won that fight 3-2.
Heck Woodley was getting beat by a fighter who was on deaths door because of the weight cut. Think Hendricks should of taken more time out from that KO, aswell as improve his standup. He doesn't seem like a fighter who is improving to me at all.

 

[Sham5916910]

Wow care to share the reasoning behind the big TJ play?

Personally I am looking at RA at those odds, he is a tough stylistic matchup for the snake in the grass

JB hit now on head but also RA has had two yrs out, is almost 34 and post usada. The improvements TJ has made in last two years are nothing short of amazing and RA has been sitting on the shelf while TJ's been evolving.

 

[Sham5916910]

Just watched TJ RA. Came down to third was close but TJ definitely won that fight. RA slowed in third and was out struck. TJ's stand up so much better now tough fight for RA especially with lay off i doubt hes improved while TJ has ten fold. TJ also had some success with his wrestling and out scrambling RA. Put it all together and i only see a TJ win here.

 

[PuertoRican]

Confidence increase in Jon Jones.

 

[Sham5916910]

Never knew Betfair was a sports book as well as exchange. What are limits like on sportsbook and hows their lb? Just registered.

 

[rille31]

Never knew Betfair was a sports book as well as exchange. What are limits like on sportsbook and hows their lb? Just registered.

their ml, lb and props are nothing special but they have some occasional futures like "over 5 belts to change hands during 2016" and "conor mcgregor to star in a blockbuster during 2017" and stuff like that, some of that stuff is really off

 

[Ballsaque]

their ml, lb and props are nothing special but they have some occasional futures like "over 5 belts to change hands during 2016" and "conor mcgregor to star in a blockbuster during 2017" and stuff like that, some of that stuff is really off

Do they have proper livebetting? Like in the rounds etc?

 

[rille31]

Do they have proper livebetting? Like in the rounds etc?

If Im not mistaken yes

 

[mkess101]

I think Hendricks is a future champ imo. Hendricks is a goo test for him right now. I know he lost to Magny but I thought he won that fight 3-2.
Heck Woodley was getting beat by a fighter who was on deaths door because of the weight cut. Think Hendricks should of taken more time out from that KO, aswell as improve his standup. He doesn't seem like a fighter who is improving to me at all.

Gastelum was competitive with Magny but I think you are the first person I've seen who thought he won that fight. Including (unless I'm mistaken) pretty much all of the MMA media outlets. I'd need to rewatch, I know Kelvin had his moments, but I remember when it was over being extremely confident that Magny had won.

 

[rille31]

jones dc to be stopped because of an ey poke +275

I think I like it lol

 

[EzFlyer]

Anyone like Gastelum over Hendricks? If so, why?

Very much so. I think they are in different career trajectories. I think it's super close and like the dog as a result.

 

[piglord]

personally i don't think either of them are going anywhere in the division, but post usada hendricks looked terrible so i guess there's some value in gastelum.

 

[Joseph Budden]

personally i don't think either of them are going anywhere in the division, but post usada hendricks looked terrible so i guess there's some value in gastelum.

Really? I think Kelvin's ceiling is VERY high. Only 24 years old and already a clear top 10 talent. Very interested to see his second fight under Cordeiro. Think the aggressive style he teaches is perfect for Kelvin.

 

[plekz]

This. She goes balls to the wall when she fights, that's why she gasses so hard. If she doesn't get that then we're likely to the same Nunes we've been seeing her whole career. She really is very talented though, if she were to measure herself a bit and be smarter when she fights then she could be really dangerous. I don't think that's happening though.

thats part of it, the main thing is how she handles her body, she clearly don't understand how to breathe properly, add then in the fact that she skeeps her shoulders square and up in a very stiff overal manner that also tells you that she's also putting strain on her muscles constantly. it basicly comes down to her having very poor control over her nerves when she get's put in a ''fight'' situation, which leads to her not being able to control her breathing, and then finally you have the body constantly having to push exess oxygen to the blood flow, you end up with a gassy mess sooner rather then later.

and looking at what's causing it, it's not something she's ever going to be likely to ''fix''

 

[AffectEffect]

2016 TJ is a horrible matchup for RA. He arguably won the first time, and now his angular footwork and feints are light years ahead of where they were then and he only looks better and better. Think RA needs to be in the pocket similar to Barao, and I think TJ knows how to destroy pocket fighters at this point.

Good points, and he probably won the first fight. Horrible matchup might be a stretch tho, I think RA clearly won the 2nd. And although RA has been out for a while, when TJ was fighting Easton Barao and Soto, RA was fighting Caraway and Munhoz. That is a similar level of competition imo. TJ has had 2 fights since RA has been out, winning against a fading Barao and losing to Cruz. TJ was still doing angular footwork and feints in the first fight, although I agree he has improved, RA didn't seemed confused by it in the first fight tho and I think he understands the footwork game. Does it justify TJ being -400? That's pretty steep to me, and It's way easier to talk myself into +320. If we are just talking moneylines. TJ dec might be the best actual play.

JB hit now on head but also RA has had two yrs out, is almost 34 and post usada. The improvements TJ has made in last two years are nothing short of amazing and RA has been sitting on the shelf while TJ's been evolving.

True, but are we sure what RA's actual condition is?

This is post usada, but that applies to both guys. And it's not like RA was huge in their first match. Both guys are a little undersized imo, RA was hinting at dropping down a weight class, obv a bad sign. I remember Faber saying something:
Faber: He looks like a pre-pubescent little teenager right now cos Usada came in
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/faber-on-t-j-dillashaw-post-usada.3219847/


TJ has improved I think but most of it was shown against barao. Hard to take so much a away from such a specific stylistic matchup, might be right but might be a him vs barao thing too.

RA has one of the longest weight class streaks 7-0, only behind cruz iirc

Just taking a long look at a big dog, haven't decided either way yet.

 

[daggen]

She should, but I don't think she will. Its about pacing, too.. some fighters just don't know how to pace themselves

That is true, but i hope she comes in more calculated and pick her shots, i really think she can win this if she fights smart

 

[kenCs]

Gastelum was competitive with Magny but I think you are the first person I've seen who thought he won that fight. Including (unless I'm mistaken) pretty much all of the MMA media outlets. I'd need to rewatch, I know Kelvin had his moments, but I remember when it was over being extremely confident that Magny had won.

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/6623/Neil-Magny-vs-Kelvin-Gastelum

There was a 10-8 round for Gastelum IIRC and imo done enough to win the fourth. Most media outlets had it at a draw though with a 4 giving it to Many and 1 giving it to Gastelum.

We know the heart of Magny and his cardio so to come back at the last two wasn't insane. Gastelum iirc was a little gassed towards the end but im not surprised as it was his first five rounder. In a three round fight though, I think Gastelum could handle Hendricks.

Very much so. I think they are in different career trajectories. I think it's super close and like the dog as a result.

Agreed.

personally i don't think either of them are going anywhere in the division, but post usada hendricks looked terrible so i guess there's some value in gastelum.

Look at how young Gastelum and Holloway are. Holloway has established himself as a clear title contender. Gastelum needs a little more time and im sure he will be future champ somewhere along the line.

 

[kenCs]

Really? I think Kelvin's ceiling is VERY high. Only 24 years old and already a clear top 10 talent. Very interested to see his second fight under Cordeiro. Think the aggressive style he teaches is perfect for Kelvin.

Off topic, nice Danny Brown av. His new album is definitely gonna be great if it sounds as good as his single. Dude could go over any beat.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Off topic, nice Danny Brown av. His new album is definitely gonna be great if it sounds as good as his single. Dude could go over any beat.

My man. You'll probably be the only one to recognize that's him. Dude is so unique in a ratchet, hipster crackhead way. I love it. That new single is awesome

 

[Ukram]

Agree on the nune's discussion, strong r1 starts should with any luck bring those tate lines much more playable playable later on.

Someone mentioned about hunts hand speeds and that pretty much hits the nail in the coffin for brock, accuracy, speed and power is the template on hunts hands, just don't see brock doing well maybe in r1 ko as a hedge otherwise like hunt afterwards.

Ill be live betting both and hammering both hunt/tate perhaps more so after r1, hopefully @ better odds.

I maybe the only one here but I do like kelvin over hendricks, sure hendricks lost to wb last outing but I feel kelvin still has the better overall game coming in, he mixes up submissions within scrambles and has good power in his hands. Hendricks has looked strange since his restaurant closed and him having to reduce weight far more then normal and no more iv, I think we will see a much different hendrick's on that alone so I like kelvin at this point.