Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk (Rematch) - Who wins?

[JeetKunDoGuy]

If Tyson fury wouldn't act like an idiot most of the time, naybe I would give it to him. Even though I'm not a huge fan of Usyks style, can't deny his skill

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

If Tyson fury wouldn't act like an idiot most of the time, naybe I would give it to him. Even though I'm not a huge fan of Usyks style, can't deny his skill

Usyk is versatile. Rather than boxing & moving he took the fight to Fury. Typically he'll box for the majority if not the entire fight. Who doesn't like watching educated pressure fighting? You don't usually see a much smaller man not known for their power walking down a far bigger man with solid power.

 

[listrahtes]

Very funny how people use the Wilder fights for proof Fury can do better

Wilder has the footwork of a hippo , a nonexistent fight IQ and 2 punch variations in total with a fight record of 95% bums and some has beens. Against Wilder yes he looked like Ali dancing through the ring. There is a reason why Parker looked as good vs Wilder. AJ would make quick work of Wilder.

Fury ,despite his Obelix trousers,was in the best shape in years. Usyk is just better everywhere.

The fight that should happen now imo is AJ vs Fury not a rematch .


Regarding who will win in the rematch. Usyk will be the better boxer but the scorecards can vary from that. The first fight showed that there is a strong bias pro Fury. Metcalf was either blind or bought of.

 

[filthybliss]

Fury's legacy is on life support and it will be killed if he goes 0-2 against Usyk. He could maybe restore himself by fighting Joshua but I am not sure if he is willing to risk it.

 

[djacobox372]

If Fury was in control of the fight longer he would've won it. Instead he was outlanded in 9 of the rounds. Beaten up starting in round 8 with his nose getting smashed in and then beaten from pillar to post until he was out on his feet in round 9. Fury can win but Usyk already opened as the favorite in the rematch. He wasn't in the first fight.

Revisionist history, everybody that's proclaiming that Usyk dominated were writing him off after 6 rounds and expecting that he might be stopped.

The Fight was close as hell.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Revisionist history, everybody that's proclaiming that Usyk dominated were writing him off after 6 rounds and expecting that he might be stopped.

The Fight was close as hell.

Who said Usyk was dominating? I disagree with both of those claims. Usyk was momentarily in trouble but he was also in trouble against AJ in both fights. Let's not ignore that Fury was much worse off in the fight. He was literally out on his feet and taking a terrible beating. The fight was competitive but not that close. It should've been a 115-112 or 116-111 Usyk UD (one of the judges did score it 115-112 Usyk).

 

[burningspear]

Fury turned the screw in the middle rds but couldnt keep it up, Usyk exhausts you physically and mentally.

 

[Deaths Head]

it's usually true but not always, plenty of exceptions, no doubt. Does Tyson have it in him to be an exception? No, I don't think so, he can barely get to fight time without cancelling.

Furys already showed up Wilder 3 times so he’d be the exception in this era that never really happens but rematches almost always end differently particularly if an overwhelming favorite loses he usually wins the rematch. You could see this in just about all eras I think the biggest upset was Joshua vs Ruiz in this one ? So predictable fans wrote him off and that rematch wasn’t close .

Recent fights would give the edge to same winners such as Usyk over Joshua and Zhang over Joyce , Parker over Chisora ( I thought Chisora won that first fight ) ….but regardless there’s no guarantee two fights are going to duplicate each other either way win or lose I’m for rematches as long as they are top guys , I want the third Joshua vs Usyk fight , the Parker vs Ruiz rematch , Whyte vs Franklin again , Bakole vs Hunter etc etc…..

In this era I can only think of Joshua vs Ruiz and Whyte vs Povetkin that ended different ? At least in big fights . I’m not counting draws bc in my experience that means someone is trying purposely rig a fight , Lewis vs Holyfield comes to mind and Fury vs Wilder , Zhang vs Forrest .

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Fury turned the screw in the middle rds but couldnt keep it up, Usyk exhausts you physically and mentally.

Usyk never does well in the middle rounds. Lately he's been starting fast and closing strong. It seems he takes his foot off the gas to rest mid-fight. He always finds another gear. It's almost like he pulls it out of nowhere. The Joshua rematch is a great example where he was in real trouble but then he recovered in-between rounds and came storming back to win the late rounds. Like you said Fury couldn't keep up with the pace after a while and that constant pressure from Usyk took its toll later in the fight.

 

[Deaths Head]

Not a single analyst or fighter said that the Joshua fights were closer. Lol

Fury won 3 rounds the 5/6/7 that’s it if one actually scores the fight which oddly few do which why boxings a circus show and you got clowns all around …lol

Most analysts think Zhang defeated Hrgovic who gave him a boxing lesson no one on here though can watch this entire fight and tell me Zhang won . Lol

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Usyk never does well in the middle rounds.

Joshua adjusted mid-fight and won several rounds in both fights. Same as Fury did against Usyk. The pattern is clear. As I said in my last post Usyk mostly concentrates on securing the early & late rounds. He basically takes off the middle rounds.

 

[Badr Hari]

Joshua adjusted mid-fight and won several rounds in both fights. Same as Fury did against Usyk. The pattern is clear. As I said in my last post Usyk mostly concentrates on securing the early & late rounds. He basically takes off the middle rounds.

I think the closest he has come to losing on points was against Briedis. When I rewatched the fight I scored it 7-5 for Briedis. One judge scored it a draw. Of course he has been hit and hurt the most against AJ and of course against Fury but in both of those fights despite the official "split" decisions he has been a clear winner who has a round or two bite off. Against Briedis it was difficult from start to finish and it was legit scary to wait for the announcement as a fan. If he can beat Fury in the rematch and the Saudis keep him away from retirement I can see two names that can present problems for him in 2025, Jalolov and Parker, if they can keep their winning records and are close to Alalshikh.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I think the closest he has come to losing on points was against Briedis. When I rewatched the fight I scored it 7-5 for Briedis. One judge scored it a draw. Of course he has been hit and hurt the most against AJ and of course against Fury but in both of those fights despite the official "split" decisions he has been a clear winner who has a round or two bite off. Against Briedis it was difficult from start to finish and it was legit scary to wait for the announcement as a fan. If he can beat Fury in the rematch and the Saudis keep him away from retirement I can see two names that can present problems for him in 2025, Jalolov and Parker, if they can keep their winning records and are close to Alalshikh.

I thought he beat Briedis pretty clearly but it was close. That was his toughest fight to date from start to finish. Usyk won it in the second half. He was much busier and outlanded Briedis in most of the rounds but the latter had a slight power punch connect rate advantage. I think if Briedis really deserved to win that fight they would've given it to him. It was in his backyard. Yeah, I'm not surprised that they called the Fury and Joshua II fights a split decision. Nobody that knows how to properly score agrees with either. That said in the first Joshua fight Usyk clearly won and they actually credited him for that by awarding him a UD.

I think he'd beat Parker pretty easily but I do agree that Jalolov might be able to present some real problems for him. However he's a green pro that's still fighting in the amateurs. He just hasn't dedicated himself to the pros yet. With his physical attributes, youth and skill he could be a real threat especially since Usyk is past prime.

 

[StopDucking]

Why is “draw” still not an option in the poll? Who the fuck changed the rules of boxing to prevent a draw from being a possible outcome?

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Why is “draw” still not an option in the poll? Who the fuck changed the rules of boxing to prevent a draw from being a possible outcome?

It's not an option in the poll because it isn't mathematically possible to arrive at a draw without another knockdown in the mix, a point deduction, or doing something ridiculous like scoring Round 9 differently than 10-8 Usyk.

Edit. I've also seen some people around here scoring even rounds. Judges are strongly encouraged not to do this and the same applies to fans.

 

[Badr Hari]

I thought he beat Briedis pretty clearly but it was close. That was his toughest fight to date from start to finish. Usyk won it in the second half. He was much busier and outlanded Briedis in most of the rounds but the latter had a slight power punch connect rate advantage. I think if Briedis really deserved to win that fight they would've given it to him. It was in his backyard. Yeah, I'm not surprised that they called the Fury and Joshua II fights a split decision. Nobody that knows how to properly score agrees with either. That said in the first Joshua fight Usyk clearly won and they actually credited him for that by awarding him a UD.

I think he'd beat Parker pretty easily but I do agree that Jalolov might be able to present some real problems for him. However he's a green pro that's still fighting in the amateurs. He just hasn't dedicated himself to the pros yet. With his physical attributes, youth and skill he could be a real threat especially since Usyk is past prime.

Parker is a weird fighter. Parker from Ruiz fight or from Chisora I fight or from Joyce fight gets easily beat by Usyk, but in his last two fights he seems to have moved to a higher level. Same size as Usyk, can box, nowadays he packs a punch too, can take a punch himself. Maybe can make it competitive with an older Usyk.

Jalolov I agree is green. Not really managed properly as he has already hit his prime and hasn't had a real test up the ladder. But due to size, strength, skill and power alone he is a legitimate threat and I'm sure Alalshikh will want that fight if he stays in the boxing business for longer.

I'll throw two names that can give Usyk 'problems' at least stylistically. Youngster Richard Torrez Jr and Jai Opetaia. Usyk hates a smaller faster moving mirror of himself (with KO power btw). What do you think?

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Parker is a weird fighter. Parker from Ruiz fight or from Chisora I fight or from Joyce fight gets easily beat by Usyk, but in his last two fights he seems to have moved to a higher level. Same size as Usyk, can box, nowadays he packs a punch too, can take a punch himself. Maybe can make it competitive with an older Usyk.

Jalolov I agree is green. Not really managed properly as he has already hit his prime and hasn't had a real test up the ladder. But due to size, strength, skill and power alone he is a legitimate threat and I'm sure Alalshikh will want that fight if he stays in the boxing business for longer.

I'll throw two names that can give Usyk 'problems' at least stylistically. Youngster Richard Torrez Jr and Jai Opetaia. Usyk hates a smaller faster moving mirror of himself (with KO power btw). What do you think?

Parker has been inconsistent but as you said he's having a career resurgence right now. He's coming off of two good wins. I think Opetaia could cause Usyk issues with his style and athleticism but until we see him compete at heavyweight who knows. He may not even be able to take a punch up there and Usyk isn't going to just give him a title shot. He'll have to earn it. As for Torrez he still has a ways to go yet and is even greener than Jalolov as a pro.

 

[StopDucking]

It's not an option in the poll because it isn't mathematically possible to arrive at a draw without another knockdown in the mix, a point deduction, or doing something ridiculous like scoring Round 9 differently than 10-8 Usyk.

Edit. I've also seen some people around here scoring even rounds. Judges are strongly encouraged not to do this and the same applies to fans.

Some boxing fights end in a draw, like Canelo vs GGG 1 for instance. Draw is a possible outcome in boxing. You’re going full retard on this one.

 

[Badr Hari]

Parker has been inconsistent but as you said he's having a career resurgence right now. He's coming off of two good wins. I think Opetaia could cause Usyk issues with his style and athleticism but until we see him compete at heavyweight who knows. He may not even be able to take a punch up there and Usyk isn't going to just give him a title shot. He'll have to earn it. As for Torrez he still has a ways to go yet and is even greener than Jalolov as a pro.

Opetaia took Briedis best punches who is probably a bigger puncher than Usyk but Usyk's volume could kill him late most likely. All in all it's an incredible fight because Opetaia has good boxing skills himself and is a southpaw who has admitted he has pretty much built his fighting style looking up on Usyk since he was a kid. One of those fights against your idol. As for Torrez I know it's never gonna happen I just threw the name based on his style. They say Usyk had trouble with short Clemente Russo and I've seen Thabiso Mchunu make him feel awkward in the ring as well. Remember bob and weaving Chisora had him confused when Del Boy switched to southpaw and started effectively using the right jab. Fury tried it for a brief moment but he was never gonna beat Usyk from southpaw, Fury is too big of a target to be missed lol


What do you think about Agit Kabayel the kurdish destroyer, can he put Usyk in the back foot and hurt him with his relentless body punches?

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Some boxing fights end in a draw, like Canelo vs GGG 1 for instance. Draw is a possible outcome in boxing. You’re going full retard on this one.

Let's try this again. I'm saying that since there was a knockdown when you actually score the fight you can't arrive at a draw. It's not possible dude. Not unless there was a point deduction to even things out, or another knockdown, or manipulating Round 9's scoring where the knockdown occurred, etc. Tally it up and see for yourself. This is why it's not an option in the poll and it's why none of the 3 judges scored it a draw.