Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

[jsbx45]

You realize that he could have re-signed with the UFC at substantially higher pay right? In retrospect he made a good call taking the risk for a big boxing event, but let's keep things honest here.

I do realize that, but my point still stands. Hopefully more lucrative UFC contracts will be available for future Fighters and perhaps less restrictive ones as well.

 

[wwkirk]

Ok, this is starting to sound a little more possible. I think with his Saudi backers a LOT of doors will be opened for Francis - abroad and domestically. I think Dana wasn't able to stop his progress when he was an unemployed and injured ex-fighter without a home. I can't imagine Dana will suddenly become capable of stopping his progress now that he's the darling of the fight world, a household name, and backed by Saudis. Let's see how it goes. Time will do the snitching for sure.

EDIT: If he "does what little he could do" (to quote Queen Cersei), I think he'll only make more enemies in boxing and close more doors for himself than he will for Francis. Interesting times.

The limits of Dana's influence is shown by the fact that the UFC's home, ESPN+, was an outlet for the Fury-Ngannou match. Dana sure didn't give them permission.

 

[jsbx45]

In the end duh of course not. But are we gonna sit here and act like he shoulda been making $10mil for each of his 14 UFC fights? Dude only fought 3 title fights total. I'm definitely all for better fighter pay, but Francis wasn't a huge name until 2021 when he went on Rogan telling his life story and then won the title right after. He did not merit being paid millions upon millions up until that point.

You are the only one even bringing up the possibility that he should have been making millions of dollars for all of his previous fights. I never said that nor did I imply it. I was pretty specific about which fights I was referring to but you are choosing to argue with me over something that only you said. LOL

 

[DarthChen731]

You are the only one even bringing up the possibility that he should have been making millions of dollars for all of his previous fights. I never said that nor did I imply it.

The implication of the original post is that he should have been paid comparably to this one boxing fight. Don't be dense.

 

[markg171]

People say he would make bank against Jones but I doubt that fight would ever materialize. JJ never made a concrete move to HW until Ngannou was gone.

You do realize that Gane was replacing Ngannou against Jones, and not the other way around right?

 

[Goutfather]

Frank's strength in the clinch also mattered, as well as his vitamin regimen before the fight leading to unusually good cardio.

wait what? what vitamins was frank taking?

 

[El Fernas]

He'll end up with 30 million when it's all said and done. That was just disclosed pay. Not only did he make bank there, he just set himself up for another 20 million + payday against Wilder and a 30+ mil rematch against Fury.

What's funny, Francis said on Ariel that he likes to farm and would b content farming the rest of his life. Welp, Farmer Frank is about to have the craziest farm on Earth with the money he's about to get paid.

It's funny that people thought him leaving UFC would be a mistake. UFC offered him 10 million dollars spread out over 6 fights and it wasn't even guaranteed. If he lost a fight, they could cut him. Not only did he make more money in one fight, he made more than his original and "unprecedented" new UFC offer. Leaving was the best thing he could do no matter the Fury outcome.

Are not those numbers a bit high? I read that Fury was making 50M and Ngannou 10M, thats 60M that whoever organized it has to recover just to break even on main event fighter purses, the HUGE event they put on must have costed a fortune, i do agree that he set himself up for big paydays, just not 20-30million ones, this thing didnt sold 4 million PPV's like Floyd vs Conor did.

 

[toogreen]

Very few have Tyson Fury in the top 10, not sure where you're getting that from, Mike Tyson is only fringe top 10 himself.

Sylvester Stallone called him the greatest HW ever, Shakur Stevenson said he’s better than Ali, many casuals said he’s too big for the old school guys and also OP had him top 10…

 

[MrAlottaCheese]

Fury won the decision, Francis won the fight.
Judges/training/preparation aside, everyone expected Fury to win based off *boxing* experience (shy of a knockout). Ngannou looked amazing, not only relative to expectations but had clear advantages altogether (chin+physicality in the clinch), but Fury's jab and volume was enough to win a close fight under boxing's scoring system. On the other hand, the post-fight narrative favors Ngannou (esp. to the average viewer-likely not knowing much about scoring criteria), as Fury's face bears the majority of the damage and was expected to make Francis look silly.

I'm ecstatic for Francis and excited to see whatever comes next!

 

[IDL]

Are not those numbers a bit high? I read that Fury was making 50M and Ngannou 10M, thats 60M that whoever organized it has to recover just to break even on main event fighter purses, the HUGE event they put on must have costed a fortune, i do agree that he set himself up for big paydays, just not 20-30million ones, this thing didnt sold 4 million PPV's like Floyd vs Conor did.

It's silly to even compare a company like the UFC to a glamour project paid for with oil money in Dubai.

Hiring musical acts, setting up opening ceremony, hiring celebrities, etc. I doubt their goal was to break even financially let alone turn a profit. I suspect it has more to do with raising the overall profile of Dubai as a sporting location and bringing glory to "his excellency"

Comparing such a government project to a company that has to be sustainable over the long term just doesn't make sense.

 

[joeson]

Oh joy. He's gonna fight someone who has no training in MMA under MMA rules...I wonder what the outcome will be?

Sucks for us that he didn't stick with MMA and actually challenge himself.

Sucks for you. I'm game to watch a hybrid fight with him and Wilder. Probably going to be MMA striking or boxing in MMA gloves.

Or we could have watched him fight Stipe again....

 

[jsbx45]

The implication of the original post is that he should have been paid comparably to this one boxing fight. Don't be dense.

I specifically mentioned his Championship Defense. Not sure what you're on about mate.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

He has tons of loose skin due to being morbidly obese back when he was having depression. He'll never look "fit' but I didn't think he looked all that different from his last couple of fights. 270 has pretty much become his standard weight.

He weighed in at 264 for Dillian whyte fight. He weighed in at 273 for the second wilder fight. 277 is really heavy for him. He looked like this when his kid was in the hospital for the third wilder fight. he definitely came in too fat

 

[DarthChen731]

I specifically mentioned his Championship Defense. Not sure what you're on about mate.

Yes but do you understand how contracts work? That was the last fight of an 8-fight contract, AKA he was basically being paid less than his worth because he had exceeded the expectations on a long-term deal and he had not attempted to renegotiate his deal at any point during it. He was still being paid near the top of the spectrum because he was now at the top, but that was still very new and fresh for him.

Had he tried to renegotiate a deal before it ran out he may have had better luck in pushing the UFC for more $. They tried to call his bluff once it ran out and for once it worked out for him and not them. Good on him. They shoulda paid him more. But to have suddenly paid a guy $10mil in his first title defense on the last fight of his outdated contract without a full renegoriation? Madness.

 

[mudrubble]

The limits of Dana's influence is shown by the fact that the UFC's home, ESPN+, was an outlet for the Fury-Ngannou match. Dana sure didn't give them permission.

Great point. That had to hurt all the UFC brass' egos, as paper thin petty as they are. I bet they were all walking around UFC HQ like they were seasick - leaning on walls, throwing up, holding their bellies and their balls.

I can't recall seeing another company of this size with execs this petty. I'm curious to see how Dana faces the scumbag media during his "isn't it amazing" post-contender press conference. I don't care so much what he says as much as what it shows about his willingness to be a grown up about this. If he pretends they've been so busy working on their big plans that they didn't really notice all their business partners doing business with the guys they've tried to bury over the weekend, and that the entire sports world is talking about, I'm going to laugh. I'm just curious how realistic his response is - will there be any truth in it or will it be pure manufactured false posturing?

As petty as he's been in attempts to bury Francis, Marquel, and Ariel, and as much as EVERY scumbag in the MMA media KNOWS these guys all rose this weekend and the UFC's stock dropped, I'm so curious to see if he'll act like it's just business as usual. "Yeah we got petty and bent as low as we could scrape to try to bury Francis and Marquel every step of the way. We pulled out all the stops, but since they still pulled off the biggest event of the year over in Saudi this weekend, we're just staying head down and treating it as business as usual"

 

[pakimahi]

Ol' Chael P rubbing it in <45> Trolling or not, he does have a point at the end there. I don't see any crossover tuber or mma guy, doing jack sh to a wrestler in their realm. No rebuttals to that

 

[mudrubble]

Yeah, I agree. I think Francis is too big of a name now for Endeavor to stop him from fighting. Maybe a few venues here and there, but as you said he's got the Saudi's on his side now.

And UFC are being trolled everywhere for being petty and restrictive. If they do try to block Francis, the Saudis will know and the media will report on it and the UFC will only look more pathetic and petty.

I wonder how it affects their lawsuit that a star they tried to control chose to step out, they ridiculed him, slandered his name, but still couldn't stop him from making way more money elsewhere. Is there any angle the antitrust lawyers can use to use these facts to bolster their case? Time will tell on how many levels Francis has forced the UFC to scramble. Francis should book a meeting with Vince about a WWE appearance - he's a HUGE name and Vince was there.

That would be more checkmate. Dana's boss doing business with Francis, lol. Ah the future is funny.

 

[mudrubble]

Sucks for you. I'm game to watch a hybrid fight with him and Wilder. Probably going to be MMA striking or boxing in MMA gloves.

Or we could have watched him fight Stipe again....

Wait so you think top boxing matches punctuated by boxers working with PFL for adjusted-ruleset matches are more fun than Francis vs Stipe? Pav? Aspinall?

Jon I can concede is super interesting, but not more interesting that Francis locking in with all these high level options now. I'm so curious what paths he paves.

Francis is easily the biggest "proved the haters wrong" moment in all of MMA.

 

[mudrubble]

Jones recent injury is another reason why Francis was smart to make the jump to boxing, at 37yo it's pretty damn tough to get through an MMA camp without injuring yourself.

Also true

 

[Deaths Head]

Ol' Chael P rubbing it in <45> Trolling or not, he does have a point at the end there. I don't see any crossover tuber or mma guy, doing jack sh to a wrestler in their realm. No rebuttals to that

Well that doesn’t actually make sense bc you cant strike in wrestling or use submissions anyway ? The rest he said is half nonsense even called Usyk fat so he’s just click baiting here . Some stuff did make sense as far as the stack decked against Ngannou but the reality is he doesn’t know how to score boxing if he thinks Ngannou won .