Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

You assume Francis won't land on him first?

In the fight we just watched on Saturday between Fury & Ngannou who struck first? It was Fury. He cracked Francis immediately with a big shot from the opening bell. Now imagine that was Wilder who got off first. He's lighter, faster, and an extremely fast starter so it's a real possibility that he does.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

he’s bo jackson

Don't believe everything you read from Brett Okamoto. ESPN's journalists aren't what they used to be. Bo was a true freak athlete and one of a kind. Deion Sanders was up there of course but Bo was just on a different level as the premier multi-sport athlete. He wouldn't have lost to guys like Zoumana Cisse and Derrick Lewis in his own sport. What Francis did Saturday was nothing short of impressive but let's stop with the GOAT athlete fellatio.

 

[battouter]

looking at the numbers and watching the replay. i can see how it can be 95-94 either way.

 

[Thunder-747]

The guy with only 12kos in 17 wins? Against the guy that's knocked out everyone minus fury whom he still dropped 4 times

He knocked out mainly a bunch of subpar boxers who lost to just about anyone of quality and Fury is the only real quality HW he fought. Plus washed up Ortiz.

Deyontay can KO anyone but his chin is suspect at this point so Ngannou winning would not surprise me. Wilder's past his peak.

Obviously, Deontay is very experienced and should be favored objectively, but I think it would be hilarious to see Ngannou KO him so I'm rooting for Ngannou to see what excuses Wilder comes up with this time.

 

[Thunder-747]

You assume Francis won't land on him first?

Even if he does, I don't think it's as obvious he KO's him. He landed plenty on Fury and got crushed himself. Deyontey just had his clock cleaned by Fury in a major way and this isn't his usual can crushing he's used for self aggrandizement.

In the fight we just watched on Saturday between Fury & Ngannou who struck first? It was Fury. He cracked Francis immediately with a big shot from the opening bell. Now imagine that was Wilder who got off first. He's lighter, faster, and an extremely fast starter so it's a real possibility that he does.

Yeah, but it's a completely different style. Fury is not known for one punch KO power so Ngannou adjusted his strategy accordingly.

With Wilder -- very possible that Ngannou will bring it right away. He is generally very strong in the first round and can knock you out very fast and given the very different style that Wilder brings, I'm sure Ngannou will fight him differently.

 

[cheesus]

How does a guy who has never been in a professional boxing ring hold his own and arguably win against someone who is a master at the science behind the sport? I don't understand.

I'm not sure I'd classify Fury a master at the science, he's highly skilled that is undeniable but his size is a massive factor of his success.

 

[cheesus]

i cant make sense of how anyone could have Fury top 10 HWS

he beat a an ancient Wlad in the worst heavyweight championship fight of all time, took 2 years off and beat a extremely limited puncher 3 times

Very few have Tyson Fury in the top 10, not sure where you're getting that from, Mike Tyson is only fringe top 10 himself.

 

[mozfonky]

scripted pro wrestling champ Antonio Inoki took Muhammad Ali to a draw. None of this should be surprising

besides, Fury won, all this hoopla with the fight is completely unwarranted.

inoki hardly stood on his feet to avoid punches, there's no comparison to this. Take a look at Dempsey Lutrell and that'll show what to expect:

 

[mozfonky]

Fury clearly didn’t prepare and thought he would go in there and clown him. Ngannou wasn’t scared of Fury at all and whilst he’s a boxing novice he knows how to fight. Saying that he really didn’t do much outside of the knockdown and a few flurries.

A hideous off night for Fury which may or may not be the beginning of the end.

I won't be expecting anything out of him again. I don't see how he'll do anything against Usyk outside of getting a few good punches in to take him out. He's got nothing.

 

[Reaperman]

You're***

Bwhahaha - oh the irony of that dude.

 

[mozfonky]

I agree but he looked even worse, very loose, like there was no muscle under there. When he fought Wilder, he may not have been an Adonis, but you could see there was muscle mass there. He looked a lot more sturdy.
I think he beat guys like Whyte and Chisora while half assing it and thought he could just get away with that. I don'tbelieve for a second Fury had a real , proper 12 week training camp. I think he believed he was just that good.

for someone in his position, none of that should have made a bit of difference. I mentioned how Maurice Smith fought a couple boxing fights, losing both, one to a fairly decent fighter in James Broad. James Broad was hardly a guy who came to fights in shape and at a good weight.

 

[HunterAcosta]

It's both his chin AND his power. Fury was scared to go after Ngannou because he figured Francis might just eat his punches and land his own instead and put him on his ass again. So Fury fought very carefully and threw little.

Frank's strength in the clinch also mattered, as well as his vitamin regimen before the fight leading to unusually good cardio. And of course, Fury's own lack of preparation, including him gassing.

Yeah I thought same about his creatine intake. Dude was never known for his cardio but in this fight ….

 

[herpd807]

But here you are on a thread all about him. How many other frank threads you been in the last two days? Ya know when I'm not interested something I usually ignore it. I guess when you're not interested you spend all day looking at it.

It's a gimmick fight that happened. It's over. Let's move on to more relevant fights coming up.

 

[joeson]

Francis is coming out with a “Fumbled the Bag” line of bags. He should send a few to Dana, Hunter and the UFC execs. Maybe one to Chael and the other shills, too

 

[oscerthegrouch]

Wow. Talk about KINDLY scorching the fkn earth.

"Dana controls them - they don't have their own personalities" - Jon and so many fighters are having to ask themselves questions about ceilings and floors. Questions they've been able to comfortably avoid asking until now. But Francis has shown something about ceilings and floors. And where he is, near the ceiling? Ain't nobody up there with him from the UFC.

Today, Francis is more popular than Dana and Dana is the UFC's biggest star.

"Ask him - I'm curious too. But I'm too big to be his puppet" - this is calling a snake a snake and a spade a digging implement. He is telling truths that fighters cannot tell. And the Saudis will back him in his free speech. Dana's petty threats about sabotaging his success are impotent today.

"It takes a lot to stand up and say what you feel, and not everybody has that" - man is talking like a straight up king of his own kingdom. I'm done doubting this human being on anyhing.

okay... not like the Saudis dont see money $$ signs even more then Dana naa they not greedy either

 

[joeson]

It's a gimmick fight that happened. It's over. Let's move on to more relevant fights coming up.

Agreed. The fight was under Gimik promotions. Now that it’s over we can move on to a potential mixed rules fight with Deontay Wilder under the PFL. Or maybe a boxing match with AJ in Saudi? Hard to say what the other offer he has on the table from Turki Al Sheikh. Lots of potential fights to talk about.

if only he stuck around with the UFC so he could not fight Jones because of an injury and get a drastic pay reduction fighting someone else instead. That would have been the smart move. Too bad he dropped the bag

 

[Khaosan]

Bwhahaha - oh the irony of that dude.

He really couldn’t have set himself up better than he did.

 

[StonedLemur]

Surely nobody can seriously vote “no” on this now, right?

16 of them sir, way more retardation than even I gave them credit for lmao.

 

[Tweak896]

You really think jones would ever have agreed to fight Francis? I don't.

Yeah I personally think it was UFC that stopped it, they weren't going to let him KO Jones and leave on his contract to PFL. Gane was easier for them to sacrifice because it doesn't hurt their brand as much. I mean it would've been a bad move to put their #1 goat candidate against the most powerful KO guy and not have security Ngannou was going to stay after.

 

[PBAC]

Genuine question.

Fury's team seem desperate to make it known that he trained properly for 12 weeks.

This seems completely out of keeping with his performance.

Why would they do this?

EDIT:
Their stance is just confusing. Shane is in an interview implying Fury was distracted during camp and that he's not sure if what we saw from Fury is 'it' from now on.
In the same interview he reiterates several times that Fury did the training camp properly and took the fight seriously.

So which is it?
1: Fury's finished and has no business fighting for unification fights
2: Fury once again didn't bother to train for a fight properly

In retrospect the Fury that came in against Wilder the 3rd time was complacent IMO.
Old habits die hard.

his training regiment is atrocious. He's not even pulling a Ricky Fatton by gaining and dropping weight. When he is in training he makes no attempt to diet and blatantly showboats his lack of discipline. It's nutritional wear and tear. The guys with mileage remain on a consistent health regime, and others are just naturally slimmer (Silva.) Fury is doing nothing to support his dietary well-being so his drop off point is going to hit harder. It's nut to think he can keepdoing this. You have to have some degree of consistency to stay fit. He can box and use his ring IQ but eventually his diet is going to catch up on him. I think Fury knows he's vulnerable because at his fittest he was knocked down by a cruiser so he is subconsciously piling on the weight to protect himself.

What actually bugs me about this is that Fury just simply did not look like an elite level fighter and I think that would have been the case no matter who he was fighting. He looked slobbish and was gassing as quickly as Ngannou. We know Fury has done better and laster longer than that so this was clearly someone on the bad side of a training camp.