Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

[ermac88]

"How do you think Dana feels about this fight?"

"Who cares?"

My man.

 

[ryun253]

He gambled and succeeded props to him! More interested him in boxing than MMA though

 

[BjPenn2017]

I am so happy for Francis, as much as I’d like to see him fighting in the UFC I backed him when he left and I’m glad he’s succeeding and showing fighters you can do it. Man is a modern day pioneer of the sport and I hope he keeps killing it he’s earned it all.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Let’s just see how vindictive Dana is.

Ngannou is the first guy to buck the system. I wouldn’t put it past Dana to do everything in his power to limit how well Ngannou does.

Stuff like “If you let Ngannou fight here I’m never bringing the UFC here again..”, making sure people don’t work with him, close every possible door he can.

Ngannou will still do better than he would with the UFC, but Dana has pull in the business, it sucks for Ngannou to have him as an enemy.

You think Dana can tell Saudi Arabia we won't bring UFC back there?

They'll laugh in his face and slap him with a few million and say we want this date.

Even Vegas maybe a few casino's listen with his long time friends but most will just say it's just business and book the fight

 

[Sanserif]

If he was a great puncher as you said it would be no submission needed. He only has a left hand. Watch those 12 ko and see what hand is used. Straights beat hooks and that's exactly what would happen if they fight.. you need to bully wilder to beat him and frank doesn't fight like that.

His arms are long he needs distance

You must really be unfamiliar with mma to assume that he had to somehow fall back on submissions. Submissions are as decisive and as fast a way to win as ko in mma and shows joint and airway manipulation skill to boot. Submissions are not a fall back if striking doesn't work.

To demonstrate just how quick a learner he is, his coach apparently showed him how to do a kimura submissionin the dressing room just before his fight against one opponent for the first time and he used it to win that bout!

For most of his ko ngannou gained with a hook or uppercut, his opponent was coming in with a straight. Ngannou specialises in countering AS his opponent is using usually a straight to punch him.and usually his opponent completely misses him but gets clocked on the way in. This is his best party trick and Wilder will play right into that when he tries to hit him with his cross.

You mentioned that most of his ko are with his left and this is caused by the above fact that he is countering his opponent with his lead hand as the latter is entering to try to strike him. In other words the left frequency is caused by the nature of ngannou's preferred countering style and not by which hand is necessarily more powerful. if u r suggesting he has no power on his right hand, I would respectfully suggest u r drawing the wrong conclusion and missing this vital aspect.

After all ngannou is a right hander which implies his right should be stronger than his left as his dominant hand. He also set his world record punching power on the ufc maxhine with his right hand. He ahs knocked out bilal (before ufc) with a right cross. Ngannou knocked out arlovski with a right hand that was so powerful it literally changed the trajectory of atlovski whole body fro going to his left to being hurled off the ground to his right. Ngannnou therefore clearly has ko power to spare in both fists but it is disheartening if u r to fight him to realise that he has knocked out Most of his opponents WITH HIS WEAKER HAND...reminds me of the Princess Bride movie where the hero suddenly reveals that he has been fencing with his weaker hand all along...

Ngannou also develops great power over short distances. His ko of miocic was with a short check hook.

All in all it seems to me to be a strange way to criticise ngannou vis a vis wilder when wilder himself is basically using only his right cross to ko most of his victories. It is not as if wilder is tremendously varied in his own punch and hand selection...

 

[JustforBROCK]

Man. How can you not like this guy? Yeah he and his ego moment when he said 'youre scared don't lie' to Stipe before the first fight but I honestly just see a humble guy who stands by what be believes. Love it.

 

[JustforBROCK]

Ya his time in the UFC is done. But then so is my interest in him.

He made bank. Good on him I guess.

But here you are on a thread all about him. How many other frank threads you been in the last two days? Ya know when I'm not interested something I usually ignore it. I guess when you're not interested you spend all day looking at it.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

MMA is a fringe sport with a petty fan base. Boxing represents more lucrative opportunities for it’s athletes and is a more popular. MMA fans are not open-minded enough to give Boxing a chance because it’s the better sport.

Better by what metric?

 

[ExitLUPin]

Wilder KO

We saw how spooked Francis was of Lewis power and got outboxed. Wilder can outbox him too but would most likely find KO shot. Problem for Francis is theres 30 minutes of tape now on his boxing ability.

 

[Sanserif]

Wilder KO

We saw how spooked Francis was of Lewis power and got outboxed. Wilder can outbox him too but would most likely find KO shot. Problem for Francis is theres 30 minutes of tape now on his boxing ability.

A good coach should be able to tell already from hus mma tapes. Ngannou wasn't spooked so much of lewis' power as he was at the time of his confidence being punctured by just losing to miocic. It was only after that fight with Lewis that he left fernand and joined knicksick at ultimate couture who retooled his game and restored his confidence.

 

[Sanserif]

Wilder easily KOs Francis, lol, Tyson didn’t even train for this fucking fight and still won 6-7 rounds, Wilder will take Franny serious and knock his soul out his body. Fucking morons, it’s just a cash grab at this point, dudes a threat on a paper only level.

Lotta long time boxing fans kinda embarrassing themselves on this one lol.

If that were true fury should have still won easily even if he didn't train (setting aside his own words that he trained fully and seriously for this bout and setting aside fsxt that he was to find usyk only 2 months later which implies he should already be preparing anyway).

If this is a cash grab then what's to Stop every boxing match to be one too? If so they are all fixed right? Sometimes we should just give credit to a guy who has worked hard and done well - fury did and u should to.

 

[mjfan23]

Maybe, maybe not. Buts he’s likely gonna beat the shit out of any other candidates

 

[Crash-override]

You must really be unfamiliar with mma to assume that he had to somehow fall back on submissions. Submissions are as decisive and as fast a way to win as ko in mma and shows joint and airway manipulation skill to boot. Submissions are not a fall back if striking doesn't work.

To demonstrate just how quick a learner he is, his coach apparently showed him how to do a kimura submissionin the dressing room just before his fight against one opponent for the first time and he used it to win that bout!

For most of his ko ngannou gained with a hook or uppercut, his opponent was coming in with a straight. Ngannou specialises in countering AS his opponent is using usually a straight to punch him.and usually his opponent completely misses him but gets clocked on the way in. This is his best party trick and Wilder will play right into that when he tries to hit him with his cross.

You mentioned that most of his ko are with his left and this is caused by the above fact that he is countering his opponent with his lead hand as the latter is entering to try to strike him. In other words the left frequency is caused by the nature of ngannou's preferred countering style and not by which hand is necessarily more powerful. if u r suggesting he has no power on his right hand, I would respectfully suggest u r drawing the wrong conclusion and missing this vital aspect.

After all ngannou is a right hander which implies his right should be stronger than his left as his dominant hand. He also set his world record punching power on the ufc maxhine with his right hand. He ahs knocked out bilal (before ufc) with a right cross. Ngannou knocked out arlovski with a right hand that was so powerful it literally changed the trajectory of atlovski whole body fro going to his left to being hurled off the ground to his right. Ngannnou therefore clearly has ko power to spare in both fists but it is disheartening if u r to fight him to realise that he has knocked out Most of his opponents WITH HIS WEAKER HAND...reminds me of the Princess Bride movie where the hero suddenly reveals that he has been fencing with his weaker hand all along...

Ngannou also develops great power over short distances. His ko of miocic was with a short check hook.

All in all it seems to me to be a strange way to criticise ngannou vis a vis wilder when wilder himself is basically using only his right cross to ko most of his victories. It is not as if wilder is tremendously varied in his own punch and hand selection...

Right, does a straight line beat a looping shot? Which meets its target first?

Everything wilder does good is what nullifies what frank does good. Again styles make fights.

Why do you think fury changed his style when he fought Wilder 2nd&3rd fights? You can't box him and play the distance game countering. You need to bully him and rough him up and wear him out.

Whether you understand this or not frank doesn't fight like that at all!!

Yes he did great in the clinch with fury but it was fury trying to do his bully tactics and clinch and wear frank out and it kinda back fired.

Wilder will you movement speed and counter punching leading frank into that straight right just like he did to helenus

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Wilder KO

We saw how spooked Francis was of Lewis power and got outboxed. Wilder can outbox him too but would most likely find KO shot. Problem for Francis is theres 30 minutes of tape now on his boxing ability.

That's how I see it. Unless Francis can get to him first but Wilder is such a fast starter. I wouldn't be surprised if he launched himself across the ring immediately and tagged him. Fury just did this to Francis in their fight. He struck first. Yeah, the element of surprise for Francis is gone now. We have 30 minutes of film on him in the boxing ring. His tendencies and habits will be studied and he'll be audited.

 

[Timewarp]

I voted no. As a fan I still wanted Jones/Ngannou + winner fights the new HW division: Aspinall/Pavlovich/Almeida/etc... but it's a good money decision for Ngannou. Might get a fun fight with Wilder.

You really think jones would ever have agreed to fight Francis? I don't.

 

[jeff7b9]

He should aim for AJ. Wilder Sparks him.

I agree.

No elite boxer is going to be an easy night or favorable matchup, but AJ is likely the most money (beside Fury) and best dance partner.

AJ has shown he can be intimidated about being hit with power. He wanted nothing to do with exchanging with Ruiz in the rematch and accepted defeat vs Usyk rather than risk exchanges that may not go his way.

He could absolutely out box and KO Francis, (most likely he would) but he is a safer fight than Wilder who is a sniper and guaranteed to throw heavy.

 

[Simple Southerner]

I like Francis but I still think wilder smokes him.

 

[Sanserif]

Right, does a straight line beat a looping shot? Which meets its target first?

Everything wilder does good is what nullifies what frank does good. Again styles make fights.

Why do you think fury changed his style when he fought Wilder 2nd&3rd fights? You can't box him and play the distance game countering. You need to bully him and rough him up and wear him out.

Whether you understand this or not frank doesn't fight like that at all!!

Yes he did great in the clinch with fury but it was fury trying to do his bully tactics and clinch and wear frank out and it kinda back fired.

Wilder will you movement speed and counter punching leading frank into that straight right just like he did to helenus

Ngannou's preferred style is to beat the direct punches with hooks and uppercuts so he is the exception.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Ngannou's preferred style is to beat the direct punches with hooks and uppercuts so he is the exception.

Lead hand hooks can absolutely beat rear straights even though their trajectory isn't straight to the target there's less distance for them to travel. Canelo showed this beautifully against Kovalev. He was able to catch & shoot on him with the left hook counter every time Kovalev wanted to drop his straight right hand. Problem for Francis is that Wilder has a very sneaky long straight right hand that he sets up beautifully off the jab. His jab is stiff even though it's heavily underutilized in his game. He's pinpoint accurate when he has the distance down. Wilder has better timing and is the faster man. If these two box you'll see that. In MMA though Francis would just take Wilder down and smash him.

 

[MEAN357]

You say that from the stands. I'm speaking from the ring. We're not the same.

You have absolutely never competed.

I only went as far as golden gloves and a few ammy MT fights, nothing to brag about.

But you dunno SHIT about boxing my boy