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"I'll see if you can pull your panties up high enough to answer that properly."
I don't know man, that's a pretty funny one liner…
Who those panties going anyway¿
Tyron Woodley's Unpopularity Explained by Din Thomas
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I don't know man, that's a pretty funny one liner…
Who those panties going anyway¿
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I said other AND specificly it's his talking about 'anything' he needs a top notch PR consultant. There's plenty of ways he could sound better to fans but crying fans are racist and we don't appreciate his mastery vs Maia and begging for Diaz, conor and gsp isn't one of them.
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Let me get back to my attempts to discuss this with you 'intellectually"... Somehow, in your mind, you feel it is ok to call a group from one race a derogatory, racist term but calling another group from another race a racist term is "racist". Your "lesson", on target demographics, only further exemplifies what is wrong with the generation of today. It is ok to have "Miss Black USA" or "Miss Latina USA", it is ok to have "Black Entertainment Television" or "Ebony Magazine" in the eyes of small minded people like, yourself, but let a "White Entertainment Television" or "Ivory Magazine" come out and watch the blood come shooting out of your eyes. You see, I understand the stereotypes and the racism that exists today but I also understand that leaning over and "patting someone on the head" does not help with the cause of equality. You don't seem to have the ability to grasp this concept that lowering the standards for one group of people actually helps to denigrate ALL people. Why do I say that you are a perfect example of this? Because you have had no problem using the term "white trash" but have avoided, at all costs, using the "N-word". You then proceed to call me a "conservative", as if this is some sort of insult. I'm assuming that you are a "liberal" based on the fact that being a conservative, to you, seems to be a bad thing. Let me enlighten you in regards to my "politics": I consider myself a "liberal conservative". How, you might ask? I don't see our country as a 50/50 split, like most morons who vote for a president do. We are much to diverse to put us all into two groups and let us "have at it". I'm pro gun rights, pro abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-government overreaching, pro states' rights and against religion being forced upon schools or government UNLESS voted on by the people. I don't believe Trump is necessarily good for our country nor do I believe that Obama was good for it either because they are both a part of the establishment. It is like asking Coke or Pepsi. They are all, ultimately, a part of the same company when you go high enough (not a conspiracy theory, same shareholders, mainly Buffett). So, with all of this, you may now understand why it "triggers" me that Sherdog even let you use the term "white trash" but would slap you down pretty quickly for using the N-word. It is probably because that is "ok" in society, today. Should it be ok? No. What has happened is that most "PC punks" feel that because of an imagined oppression, it is "ok" to tie the hands of one race behind its back while allowing the other race to "have at it" and this somehow makes us "equal". What should be occurring is that all races should strive to hit a standard that is above us to make us all better and the equality is up to the individual, no matter the color of your skin. What the PC society of today is attempting to do is "merge" our society the same way that one would attempt to merge the "Special Olympics" with the normal version of the Olympics. Holding one down to raise another will never make us equal and will only further segregate us on a level that can't be undone by any laws or statutes... a mental level. Your "mental level" allows you to feel that there is nothing wrong or ass backwards about what you have posted and that is where the problem lies. I doubt you will ever see it and I should probably "lower my level" so that you and I can have a "meaningful" conversation because it appears that you are incapable of understanding things on what I would call a "normal" level and you would call a "racist level". Now, I will pat you on the head and say,"you are right son, the UFC does target white trash, straight up playa." Kudos to you if your head didn't explode while attempting to read all of this mindless drivel but you don't need to respond because I think I know where we stand.
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I think Tyron's "race baiting" is extremely blown out of proportion.
But he is constantly playing the victim card like he was born with it, and happens to be black. It is part of it, but Woodley is always a victim.
He's a boring fighter, has been for majority of his career. He's evolved from being a legit lay and prayer who gasses and put in omaplatas by Paul Daley, to a boxer who paces himself and throws very little. He's not exciting, he's a complainer. He's hard to like.
Check out the Rogan podcast, Woodley would walk around and do anything but say it, and Rogan would be straight 'So you think X?" and Woodley would respond "No! You want me to say that!" when clearly Joe was just listening and reacting to Woodley's comments.
Besides Conor, is there anyone who has damaged the value of a UFC title more than Tyron? He said he would drop it for a money fight. Talk about killing kayfabe.
But he is constantly playing the victim card like he was born with it, and happens to be black. It is part of it, but Woodley is always a victim.
He's a boring fighter, has been for majority of his career. He's evolved from being a legit lay and prayer who gasses and put in omaplatas by Paul Daley, to a boxer who paces himself and throws very little. He's not exciting, he's a complainer. He's hard to like.
Check out the Rogan podcast, Woodley would walk around and do anything but say it, and Rogan would be straight 'So you think X?" and Woodley would respond "No! You want me to say that!" when clearly Joe was just listening and reacting to Woodley's comments.
Besides Conor, is there anyone who has damaged the value of a UFC title more than Tyron? He said he would drop it for a money fight. Talk about killing kayfabe.
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Lol! I don't think @MikalP will either.
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Woodley comes across, to me, like a kid who found his father's gun but doesn't really know what to do with it. He wants to talk like he does but doesn't want to commit to anything he says, either.
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Agreed. It's a nice scape goat though
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I agree with Din Thomas to a certain extent, in that obviously a person's skin color is going to play a part in how he's viewed since all humans are at the very least subconsciously prejudiced, but to say that Woodley's skin color is the main driving factor behind his lack of popularity is utter bullshido.
I'm a huge fan of Woodley the fighter. In fact, I think he has the potential to rival GSP's level of dominance in the welterweight division if he keeps fighting as often as he has and remains as hungry as he has shown himself to be so far.
Am I a fan of Woodley the public persona however? Hell no. He has a constant chip on his shoulder and sees himself as the victim in everything.
I'm a huge fan of Woodley the fighter. In fact, I think he has the potential to rival GSP's level of dominance in the welterweight division if he keeps fighting as often as he has and remains as hungry as he has shown himself to be so far.
Am I a fan of Woodley the public persona however? Hell no. He has a constant chip on his shoulder and sees himself as the victim in everything.
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nah I enjoy dialogue. I'll clip it into paragraphs though because god damn
You didn't need to say all this because your point was already understood and addressed. For similar reasons that "white trash" and the N word are not by any means an equivalent derogatory term, a White Entertainment Television in a predominantly white country that was built on slavery would continue the oppressive nature of its past that it's tried to move away from with various civil rights acts and progressive movements. "White trash" has no oppressive caricatures like the N word, when used by white people does. You've been trying to draw that equivalency for a while but it isn't there. As an aside, I am also white and I understand full and well who the demographic of "white trash" describes, and the reason I have no problem using it is because the demographic it describes are the ones that have no problem continuing oppressive behaviors towards people of color. If that doesn't describe someone, they probably don't fall under "White trash."
What you seem to choose to ignore is the many facets where white people are systemically propped up, and things like BET serve to create more equal grounds. What's interesting, though, is that you say things like "I understand this this and that about stereotypes and racism and head patting not helping" but I don't know how you could. Just because you say you do and have yourself convinced of your own argument doesn't mean you do. In fact, I'd go one further to say it's impossible for you to know what people of color need to help them especially if you're as dismissive of their opinions as you have been Tyron Woodley's.
I didn't just call you a conservative. I called you a threatened and sensitive one. Important distinction there. I have no problem voting conservative if I see fit and don't think all conservatives are shitty. I was dialing in on the shitty ones.
Agreed, though I'm stricter gun rights and pro gay marriage because who the fuck cares when they all end in divorce anyway. I'm also a lot more environmentally oriented given that one of my careers involves living in the outdoors for months at a time, but I think our approach to politics is similar
The origin of the oppressive traits behind the N word are not imaginary. White trash and the N word are not equal levels of derogatory. That is a false equivalency. The white race does not have a word that is as bad as the N word. Plain and simple. That is why I, and any sensible human not trying to over-stretch their white rights would shoot it down. White people do not have our hands tied behind our backs, either. That's why I call you threatened, because you exaggerate what is being done to your race when really all that is happening is increasing SOME benefits and privileges for other races to put them on more equal grounds with us. You aren't losing any of your privileges or rights because another race is gaining more. That's not how it works.
This is doing a few things.
1. You're implying that other races aren't striving to hit a standard unless they have some sort of help. That isn't true. They are, but because of the way America is they receive less positive results largely because of the color of their skin. That isn't me saying skin color is the only reason things happen, but to deny it plays a role is ignorant just like to deny Woodley feeling the effects of racism would also be ignorant despite that not being the only factor to his unpopularity. Remember, acknowledging that something exists is not the same as acknowledging it as the only factor.
2. You're ignoring the politics of the last century. I've made this point here before, but the labor laws didn't outlaw discrimination until the human rights act of 1964. That's really, really recent in terms of generations. If the country was so racist that discriminating based on race was legal only a generation ago, do you really think there hasn't been any carry over that needs doing away with through government interventions? Like, do you really think that people of color now are just getting jobs because of the color of their skin or do you think that it was actually just all the white people benefiting from the color of theirs getting all these jobs in the first place, and now we're seeing that white people aren't the only ones qualified? I think that answer is pretty obvious.
3. White people are not being held down just because racism is being called out more and more.
This was weird.
On another note, this has gone on waaaay longer than I thought it would. We should probably stop bumping this at some point. I see your points, I think you see mine. Probably all there is to it, yeah?
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Literally has nothing to do with hin being black
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I don't know how to break down the paragraphs like you did so I will just "bullet point" it.
- Maybe, to you white trash isn't equivalent to the "n word" because you have never been called white trash based on your circumstances and possibly because your history has not allowed you to feel discriminated against on account of your skin color. You, being a white guy, are actually being extremely condescending towards blacks with your "outrage on their behalf". You are basing a lot of your false mantra on "most whites" being oppressive when one major fact that is left out of all of the history books is that it was white men that had to decide to stand up for black men, first in a war and secondly in the congress and senate. Blacks didn't free themselves in our country, whites did. This is not a knock against blacks but an honest truth that seems to always escape the memories of our history books. You, also, falsely claim that the US was "built on slavery" but that is not true either. Our country was built on the vision of the Roman and English Empires. Whatever labor is available at the time of the "inception" of a country is what will be used to construct said country. For that matter, almost all countries were built on slavery if it is as you say. Secondly, whites didn't go into Africa and pull slaves out of the fields or trees, they picked them up at trading posts or other "slave labor agencies" that were providing them and most blacks were sold out by other blacks before they got to this country. In fact, slavery still exists in many parts of Africa... another fact that is commonly left out of the mainstream media.
- in regards to whites being "propped up", you are talking about marketing to a demographic. If the main demographic of a product or a law is white, then you market towards whites. If it is black, then you market towards blacks. This is basic economics 101. However, when it comes to "help", I believe in the "teach a man to fish" mantra. BET and Ebony Magazine are not the "teach men to fish" networks. If you want to be considered equal, in any arena (race, business, sports or other) you have to act equal. Don't ask for rules to be changed to accommodate you nor should you ask for special treatment once included. Ask for the same rules and treatment as everyone else and prove your worth.
- In regards to conservatism, you come across as a "pansy", so I will assume that you are not truly conservative but only say so to help push your liberal point across. If you were truly a conservative, you would never be for "propping" anyone up to hold down another or "make them equal" as you say. You would make the rules the same for everyone and ask that they all step up. Treating blacks like little kids is almost as bad as being a racist. You are essentially saying to them that they are not good enough to move forward "without your help". I happen to think differently.
- Pro gun, agreed... pro gay marriage? Why? What is the purpose of a gay marriage and by allowing it, you force us who are opposed to that lifestyle to have to explain to our children why their friend "has two daddies". You may say, like the liberal that you are, live and let live, but by allowing gay marriage, you are not "giving me that choice". I must accept it "or else". Also, gay marriage was voted down in every state that it went up for a vote. EVERY STATE, yet our government stepped in and told millions of Americans that their votes did not matter and they were passing the law, regardless. If the people voted for it or a state voted for it, so be it and let gays move to that state.
- You say that I feel "threatened" by increasing rights for minorities but I am not in the slightest threatened by this. What I do fear are morons, like you, trying to be so apologetic and compromising for things that you had absolutely no control of. You didn't create slavery nor did you oppress minorities so what can you do? I will tell you what I think you, and we all should do, not that it matters to you, but here goes anyway: WE SHOULD MAKE EVERYTHING THE SAME FOR EVERYONE. BET and Miss Black USA is not accomplishing that. Affirmative Action is not accomplishing that. You are merely "patting" a guy on the head and telling him "see, there little buddy, we are the same" when you don't really think that way. If you did, you wouldn't feel that you had to lower the standards for them.
- This, I had to quote/playback for you so that you could read how you are coming across like a total moron "1. You're implying that other races aren't striving to hit a standard unless they have some sort of help. That isn't true. They are, but because of the way America is they receive less positive results largely because of the color of their skin. That isn't me saying skin color is the only reason things happen, but to deny it plays a role is ignorant just like to deny Woodley feeling the effects of racism would also be ignorant despite that not being the only factor to his unpopularity. Remember, acknowledging that something exists is not the same as acknowledging it as the only factor."
You just generalized the actions, feelings and results of an entire race with your opinion there.... a bit racist don't you think?
- The politics of the last century is actually a good point that I referenced earlier in this post but all we can do is be inclusive and fair... as the generations of the past die off, the assimilation will complete itself.
- As for "whites" being held down, it is happening all of the time. Is it enough to do any harm to all of the country? No, but no one should be thrown under the proverbial bus, not one. If you can't acknowledge this, then you are more of a moron than I thought.
- You tried to portray yourself as a "black man" or a horrible apologist. Either way, that fact that you thought you could use a racist term to describe a white man but wouldn't dare to use one to describe a black man tells me you don't know what the hell you are even doing here. You don't get to decide which one hurts "more", that is up for the guy you called "white trash" and the guy who gets called the "n-word" to decide.
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Woodley got the Belt and became GSP 2.0 - Ultraboring
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Ya got that too...
He's not "relatable" to white people then they're racist. For black people who don't like him for not being "relatable" that's OK !
Disagree.
As you say if your a "dick" H your a "dick". Doesn't matter what color , race, religion a person is.
Although I'm sure there are some racists out there.
There’s no doubt that race is involved. You’re always going to have racial prejudice. There’s also no doubt that Woodley plays into that. I remember him calling it racist because he was described as explosive. Muscular bodies like his have fast twitch fibres hence why he’s described as explosive. He’s not an aerobic athlete. It’s the same with all animals. The Horse Winx isn’t going to win distance.
I hate how you can’t judge people on individual merit these days. I’m not the biggest fan of WMMA because it’s still growing and not always high quality. It doesn’t make me sexist because I generally only like high level stuff. I can’t get into local level men’s fights.
I hate how you can’t judge people on individual merit these days. I’m not the biggest fan of WMMA because it’s still growing and not always high quality. It doesn’t make me sexist because I generally only like high level stuff. I can’t get into local level men’s fights.
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He's right, white america hates outspoken, "flashy, loud mouthed" black athletes.
But they sure loved joe Namath who was flashy, loud and outspoken. Plus a known party animal.
Cam, Michigan basketball, Miami football, Ali was hated by so many, Hank Aaron received racist death threats his entire career. The list is endless.
The Knicks were called the Ni$$erbockers during the late 70s due to the their all black team. Heck the NBA tried changing their rules many times to stifle how black athletes played the sport and keep white players in the game.
But they sure loved joe Namath who was flashy, loud and outspoken. Plus a known party animal.
Cam, Michigan basketball, Miami football, Ali was hated by so many, Hank Aaron received racist death threats his entire career. The list is endless.
The Knicks were called the Ni$$erbockers during the late 70s due to the their all black team. Heck the NBA tried changing their rules many times to stifle how black athletes played the sport and keep white players in the game.
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Boring but somehow thinks he's not boring.
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