Tyron Woodley's Unpopularity Explained by Din Thomas

Why aren't you a Woodley fan (if you aren't)?


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Gotta say this is one of the better threads in awhile, here in the Heavies. Unfortunately race is an issue ITT but at least the conversation was, is good and it isn't solely revolving around it. Not the typical turd droppings, meme infested, 3 worded OP's we've near gotten used to on sherdog lately.

Cheers lads.

More yes. But not exclusively no. Race plays into every interaction between humans WITH A FEW notable exceptions.

It's safe to say that if two ppl of different races are speaking, race factors into how they interact wtih each other 99% of the time.

Is it ever the ONLY factor? No.

Is it ever absent? Only in a FEW notable exceptions.

That's a huge stretch in my opinion. But we'll neer be able to come to a proper number regarding this as it'd be impossible to gather data for it lol.

Could be he had expectations of how champions were treated based on previous title holders before becoming one and was disappointed with the result after becoming one

Defo mate, it more than likely was a mitigating factor.
 
UFC fans are full of racist....The Main demographic for the UFC, are Young White American Males.


Look at all the biggest fighters in the sport by era.

Conor, Ronda, GSP, Brock, Lidell, etc.


Anderson Silva, Rampage, and Jon Jones never were as big as they should...They were always #2 or below to a White fighter.
Do you know how "racist" you sound by stating that because the main demographic for the UFC is white that they are all racists?

Love the avatar but you are a moron.
 
It really seems like if Woodley put on a few exciting title fights it'd solve a lot of his problems. I can't remember the way Holloway said it, but he said something like he doesn't want to find the money fight he wants to be the money fight. Woodley needs to focus on being an exciting champion through his fights not his TMZ appearances.
 
Do you know how "racist" you sound by stating that because the main demographic for the UFC is white that they are all racists?

Love the avatar but you are a moron.
I didnt say they were all racist...I said they have a bias to root for white fighters, but there's alot of racist fans also.


The Numbers dont lie.....White Fighters have always been the face of the UFC
 
He fights way too carefully and has gotten annoying with the money fight talk.
Yeah, approaching his fights with all the zest and raw passion of a chartered accountant isn't going to win him many fans.
 
Since Tyron Woodley won the UFC welterweight title at UFC 201 in 2016, the UFC has struggled with promoting a champion with the reputation for being widely disliked by fans. It doesn’t help matters that Woodley’s title defenses since becoming champion have been less than captivating or that UFC President Dana White has routinely feuded with his welterweight champion and thrown him under the proverbial bus on several occasions. But more so than either of those explanations, Woodley’s friend, coach, and podcast partner Din Thomas believes that race is one of the major reasons why Woodley has yet to gain traction with MMA fans.

“He’s not all that relatable to people,” Thomas told the UFC Unfiltered podcast yesterday. “He’s a wealthy black man that speaks his mind, people don’t like that. People didn’t like Cam Newton when Cam Newton was loud and brash. People just don’t like wealthy, large black men to speak their minds.

“It’s not all racial but let’s keep it real, when there’s a debate or whatever, Presidents wear a certain color tie to appeal to a certain demographic. We can’t try to hide the fact that our skin color has something to do with how people treat you. We can’t hide that fact.”

Woodley himself hasn’t been shy about suggesting that his race plays a role in how he has been treated by the fans and by the UFC, and as the issues continue to arise with Dana White still publicly lambasting his champion, it’s hard not to find some merit in the claims. And as for the counterargument that former light heavyweight champion Jon Jones is black and beloved by the fans and a star for the UFC, Thomas says that Jones is more relatable because of his numerous personal failings.

“Here’s the thing: Jon Jones is a lot more relatable because Jon Jones doesn’t come off like he’s great,” Thomas suggested. “My sister-in-law once said to me, ‘Look at Tyron, he acts like he’s better than everybody,’ and she said that not knowing Tyron but just what he puts out there. But Jon Jones can’t because he’s a drug addict and steroids and he’s running pregnant ladies over, so he comes off as human. He has problems and people can relate to that.”

Some people contend that Woodley’s failure to connect with fans has nothing to do with his race but stems from his attitude and suggest that Woodley is just “race-baiting.” Thomas concludes by arguing against that, admitting that Woodley’s inability to gain broader appeal with the MMA fan base at large is not solely a product of his race, but that race is definitely a key factor in the whole thing.

“There’s a lot of different reasons,” concluded Thomas. “Don’t get me wrong, sometimes it comes off as if we’re saying all people don’t like him because he’s black, but I don’t believe that for a second. I just think that’s one of the elements that makes him less relatable.”

Woodley is still recovering from shoulder surgery he had in December but is anticipating a summertime return to the cage, though no opponent is currently set.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/3/...relate-to-jon-jones-better-than-tyron-woodley

Why do you like Woodley?
1) because he is black
2) because he is black and fights
3) because he is black and fights and speaks into a microphone

Choose wisely.
 
Yeah, approaching his fights with all the zest and raw passion of a chartered accountant isn't going to win him many fans.
The thing is, he can be very dangerous and entertaining when he actually chooses to be aggressive. Hes just being way too careful because he doesnt want to lose his belt.

Just look at the wonderboy and maia fights, they were really boring and nothing happened for the most part. The most entertaining parts of the fights were when Tyron actually pressed the action and got results. He just doesnt do that enough.
 
Where to even begin. It's all stupid. But his nugget:
"But Jon Jones can’t because he’s a drug addict and steroids and he’s running pregnant ladies over, so he comes off as human. He has problems and people can relate to that.”

Lmao. I've had my fair share of problems, being a drug addict, steroid cheat and running pregnant ladies over was never one of them. And hardly what people relate with 'human'.
Jesus christ, Din Thomas is dumber than a bag of limp dicks.
Dude you know how many drug addicts and criminals there are in the world? He’s just saying people can relate to someone that has made mistakes and isn’t perceived to be perfect. You’re dumber than a bag of limp dicks if you can’t even understand something so simple.
 
Dude you know how many drug addicts and criminals there are in the world? He’s just saying people can relate to someone that has made mistakes and isn’t perceived to be perfect. You’re dumber than a bag of limp dicks if you can’t even understand something so simple.
How's life in mom's basement? All good, enjoying the meatloaf? Good.
 
I didnt say they were all racist...I said they have a bias to root for white fighters, but there's alot of racist fans also.


The Numbers dont lie.....White Fighters have always been the face of the UFC
pretty sure the same can be said for black fans and anyone else. it just so happens that america is almost 70% white

nothing racist about that at all its common sense. if this country was 70% asian the korean super boy, okami, stun gun etc would have a shot at doing a milli on PPV.
 
Guys who dislike Woodley are the same ones who scream like teenage girls at the sight of McGregor

This explains everything

I have no reason to dislike Woodley, look forward to his fights and will pay for his ppv’s

I don't dislike woodley, but to imply his fights are entertaining is on levels of standup comedy. I can appreciate the technicality going on, but feinting with your back against the fence for 25 minutes throwing jack shit is a bit boring. In some of Woodleys last fights i went to take a piss and got some food and came back and he threw 1 punch that entire time.. not even kidding. World record holder Woodley.
 
I didnt say they were all racist...I said they have a bias to root for white fighters, but there's alot of racist fans also.


The Numbers dont lie.....White Fighters have always been the face of the UFC
Who are your current champs and who are the guys getting the promotional push? jon jones was the "greatest ever" and pushed hard by the UFC, even though he is a juice-head pussy. Cormier gets a pretty solid push and Anderson Silva was the face of the UFC forever. I'm sorry, though, if you can't understand the "demographics" of the population of America and the sport of MMA. But you are probably not complaining about the NBA or Hip Hop saying they don't push enough white guys and the racial disparity is completely bias, now are you. If you suck or you are an asshole, being white or black ain't going to help you. Deal with it like a grown man and quit falling into "The View" mentality. Whoopie and Joy don't give a damn about race, only ratings.
 
Who are your current champs and who are the guys getting the promotional push? jon jones was the "greatest ever" and pushed hard by the UFC, even though he is a juice-head pussy. Cormier gets a pretty solid push and Anderson Silva was the face of the UFC forever. I'm sorry, though, if you can't understand the "demographics" of the population of America and the sport of MMA. But you are probably not complaining about the NBA or Hip Hop saying they don't push enough white guys and the racial disparity is completely bias, now are you. If you suck or you are an asshole, being white or black ain't going to help you. Deal with it like a grown man and quit falling into "The View" mentality. Whoopie and Joy don't give a damn about race, only ratings.

BRAVO
 
I don't dislike woodley, but to imply his fights are entertaining is on levels of standup comedy. I can appreciate the technicality going on, but feinting with your back against the fence for 25 minutes throwing jack shit is a bit boring. In some of Woodleys last fights i went to take a piss and got some food and came back and he threw 1 punch that entire time.. not even kidding. World record holder Woodley.

His last fight against Thompson was a smoke break fight
 
Who are your current champs and who are the guys getting the promotional push? jon jones was the "greatest ever" and pushed hard by the UFC, even though he is a juice-head pussy. Cormier gets a pretty solid push and Anderson Silva was the face of the UFC forever. I'm sorry, though, if you can't understand the "demographics" of the population of America and the sport of MMA. But you are probably not complaining about the NBA or Hip Hop saying they don't push enough white guys and the racial disparity is completely bias, now are you. If you suck or you are an asshole, being white or black ain't going to help you. Deal with it like a grown man and quit falling into "The View" mentality. Whoopie and Joy don't give a damn about race, only ratings.

you don't watch basketball, do you? any time a european white shooter comes over they rush them into the discussions of being one of the best shooters in the league. on top of that, the white 'bigs' always get big pushes. every single time. in hip hop, did you miss the whole "macklemore getting the best rap album over kendrick lamar" thing? or how many people say eminem is the best rapper of all time? there's no obligation to push people of color, but these aren't valid comparisons is all i'm saying.

i don't think that guy is saying that it's only white guys getting a push, he's saying the white guys are always better received by fans. and it's impossible to argue that he's wrong. white fighters have always been the better draws in the UFC because the UFC's home base is in America - a predominantly white country, and its target demographic from its startup was the white trash demographic who wanted to see sloppy cage fighting. kind of impossible to say that there wouldn't be any carry over from that to now.
 
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Woodley is a defending champion who speaks against the racism in MMA but of course the majority of the MMA community will be racist towards him via hiding behind the let's spam sarcastic remarks on social media and Youtube videos of everything being racist in order to insult him more.

Some throw in actual racist remarks in there and try to slide it in as part of the sarcasm.

The UFC and dudes are hurt by their great white hopes losing. Hurt by Rashad and Rampage/Chuck, Wonderboy/Woodley twice, Nunes/Shevchenko twice and just recently Cyborg/ Holm.

Shutting down Maia's BJJ ability with supreme TDD just made it even worse.

Clinging onto the only white hope who actually got a UD over Woodley in Rory MacDonald or reaching even further with the roided Nate Marquardt fight earlier in Woodley's career.

This is part of the racism that Woodley is talking about which was confirmed even more so when an MMA podcast lead by former UFC HW Brandon Schuab made a racial twitter post about how the Fox Panel had just black people only.

Justice prevailed though when one of the UFC Fox panellists, legendary MMA veteran Yves Edwards spoke out well against Brandon Schaub and made him apologize for that blatant racist remark on twitter.

Subtle and insidious, holding minorities to different and higher standards just so they can shit on.

Not conforming to racist stereotypes, like the Mandingo fighter or the "thug" or the overthe top arrogant "baller" just to sellfights.

Respect to Woodley for speaking out well against racism in the MMA community and the UFC and for not conform to one of those racial stereotypes.
 
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