Crime Tyre Nichols video to be released soon. 5 Memphis cops fired and charged with murder for his death

[nhbbear]

No you did not misread... my statement is 100% true but it's also true that police reduced crime both are true.


I have first-hand experience because my cousin caught his fellow cops dealing drugs after stealing them from dealers and when he turned them in he himself was blackballed instead of those dirty cops.... the culture is rotten to the very core. There is a deep rooted cultural problem with policing. Police departments are filled with criminals and bullies and the cowards who don't report them.

And police presence on the streets also reduces crime... we just need less scumbag type of cops with way more education doing a much better job from a more educated place.

But a deep cultural shift like that is not going to happen from within it's going to have to be imposed from the outside.

I agree with your last part. We need better cops with better education. The problem there being that in most departments, police are not paid well enough to attract real talent. And you’re partially right on the pressure from the outside. The police and how they police changes as the culture around it changes. It also changes from within. But, police also adapt the environment they are in. Hard areas call for hard cops. Soft cops do not do well in tough areas and need to remain in the suburbs. I probably couldn’t be a cop in NYC for example. I was simply too nice and too polite and give most people the benefit of the doubt and I would have been taken advantage of, possibly even targeted for attack because some people take that as weakness. They would have been very wrong about that. And I hope if I was there, it wouldn’t have changed me to much.

Where you’re wrong is assuming because your relative had a bad experience that it is like that everywhere. It’s not. I turned a fellow officer in for excessive force and I wasn’t blackballed. And not all cops are bullies or cowards. When you work with someone and get to know them, you don’t want to believe they are capable of shit they are accused of. Cops also see use of force much differently than citizens do because they are trained based upon constitutional rights and Supreme Court cases and most cops adhere to those. You may see a video where a suspect resists arrest and the cop strikes him in the thigh (common perineal) with a baton and they scream and cry “abuse!!” And it’s not. It’s what is taught and that is based on Supreme Court cases. Cops see that and simply say it’s proper and the most vocal opponents will say it is abuse and formulate the opinions like you have.

 

[IamStryker]

This post is oozing irony

I know what you are going for but this is just a forum where anyone can post whatever dumb opinion they want. Is CNN now comparable to this forum?

 

[nhbbear]

Do you remember any "culture shift" after 9/11????
Thats what I often attribute some of it to. Post 9/11 the hero worship and entitlement got strong! Then a wave of virtue signaling supporters grew & grew. Supporters to where the cops could do NO wrong. So strong they were even willing to give up there rights for this mantra. From this pedestal I believe self entitlement and a hero complex grew.

Caveat * many cops were and are heros. 9/11 & forward. Especially during crisis moments.
I just feel many horrible ones get to eat and profit off that unearned legacy.

I almost mentioned the post 9-11 hype about how cops were still riding that high when I joined. I was trying to remember when that faded. Probably around 2008 or so is my best guess. Maybe it was Obama, maybe it wasn’t. And cops were also riding the 90s crime wave where people had had enough of crime and said “do whatever you must to take the streets back.” That bled into 9-11.

 

[IamStryker]

Do you think they would of beat a young white suburban kid like that???
That's a fair question people should be asking.
Its also another long standing call-out against the broken police-state culture. They abuse the ones they think they can get away with doing so. Due to prior criminal backgrounds, not being educated on the laws & rights, not have the money for legal representation or investigation, not having the privilege of affluent connections, and/ or not sharing a common social circle.

On the racism thing. Even though I don't agree with "its only racism if you have the power or the majority over another group. " I do believe that tpower and the majority in the dynamic of racism does create systematic racism and deeper issues of a greater impact. Especially when the targeted community has less resources and access.

I believe if Tyre was white the same thing would have happened. There is no reason to believe race was a factor.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Yes and no…when you dig into statistics and apply likelihoods you have to go all the way and include things like…% of stops/calls per group and even extrapolate other data elements is the suspect violinist or was a weapon involved

btw, the data clearly answers your what if question

It doesn't, and you just proved it in your response.
So because one number is applicable on a roulette wheel with 100 other #s it means that the data shows it will land on that one #?????
Huh? Ummm no.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I believe if Tyre was white the same thing would have happened. There is no reason to believe race was a factor.

If you dont believe there is a systematic issue with racism in policing in America....sure.

If you believe its a major issue than nope.

Kind of seems that simple.

 

[the ambush]

Lol what a childish take. Does it not occur to people that a gun is always involved? Obviously physically attacking a police officer has to be regarded as a potentially lethal attack because the officers gun can easily be used against him.

Apparently I am the one with childish take, yes that's it.

All sorts of variables in a physical attack, a push is not reasonable means to respond with lethal force. Grabbing an elbow is not a reasonable means to respond with lethal force either. Do you see where I am going with this? The officers do get baton and taser training at an accredited academy. The problem lies with those officers who panic and use lethal force when a lesser means is available, a shooting against an unarmed subject is not always necessary

 

[Poon Goon]

Now these 5 aren't bad because they are black.

lol

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Lol what a childish take. Does it not occur to people that a gun is always involved? Obviously physically attacking a police officer has to be regarded as a potentially lethal attack because the officers gun can easily be used against him.

so stop carrying guns

 

[Seano]

So you're good with that shooting ?

Didn't see a video but based on the story, yes. Fuck that guy. Society lost nothing. I'm tired of society's garbage creating these situations and we save our outrage for the people who have to deal with them. Always the same story. Some piece of shit committing a crime who then tries to run away.

 

[Poon Goon]

who then tries to run away

<[analyzed}>

 

[IamStryker]

If you dont believe there is a systematic issue with racism in policing in America....sure.

If you believe its a major issue than nope.

Kind of seems that simple.

I think the issues with policing are different issues. Bad training and such. Even in this scenario there is the obvious problem of Memphis lowering the standards in hiring new officers.

 

[Seano]

<[analyzed}>

Whatever, if there was a hill, he could get rolling pretty fast. With a knife.

 

[IamStryker]

Apparently I am the one with childish take, yes that's it.

All sorts of variables in a physical attack, a push is not reasonable means to respond with lethal force. Grabbing an elbow is not a reasonable means to respond with lethal force either. Do you see where I am going with this? The officers do get baton and taser training at an accredited academy. The problem lies with those officers who panic and use lethal force when a lesser means is available, a shooting against an unarmed subject is not always necessary

Did I say it's always necessary? I said unarmed is meaningless because it does not prove there is no danger. You then responding that the criminals are martial arts experts was a silly response.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I like your consistency for sure. I think your ideas on oversight, accounanimity, etc are not off base. I think it gets dangerous when you start throwing things out there that demonize a profession. What that does is put a target on them. It becomes a self fulfilling project. Rational, well rounded people see that attitude grow and say "Screw becoming a cop, everyone will vie me as a villain even of im trying to do good". And because we still need cops, those jobs get filled with more and more of the overly aggressive goons that you're talking about.

I do agree that we shouldn't be demonizing the whole profession and I will change my language accordingly. However I would have never become a cop until this new demonization happens because I now see an opportunity for the police force to become a good thing rather than a destructive thing.

I have thought just the opposite... I'm not saying I'm right but I have thought that now that the police force is being called out for being destructive in many ways good people are more likely to become a cop. And I have thought that many good people would be more likely to become cops in a time when there is a chance for transformation. And I thought too that many people who become cops just for the prestige would not become police and that's also a good thing in my mind also.

But even if I am right and I'm not saying that I am and honest evaluation of the police forces all that's needed we don't need to exaggerate and overly demonize.

I hope I'm telling the truth when I say I will permanently adjust my language on this matter. It is my goal to do so.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I think the issues with policing are different issues. Bad training and such. Even in this scenario there is the obvious problem of Memphis lowering the standards in hiring new officers.

All those things can run concurrent though, and bread and feed off eachother. Those things existing doesn't minimize or exclude a racial component.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Didn't see a video but based on the story, yes. Fuck that guy. Society lost nothing. I'm tired of society's garbage creating these situations and we save our outrage for the people who have to deal with them. Always the same story. Some piece of shit committing a crime who then tries to run away.

Many cops think this way too and that's why we must have oversite.

 

[Seano]

Many cops think this way too and that's why we must have oversite.

We do have oversight.
What you're saying is you want it to be people like you who see no fault in anyone but the person who has to deal with the sort you want to turn a blind eye to.

 

[IamStryker]

so stop carrying guns

Guessing this is a joke.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I agree with your last part. We need better cops with better education. The problem there being that in most departments, police are not paid well enough to attract real talent. And you’re partially right on the pressure from the outside. The police and how they police changes as the culture around it changes. It also changes from within. But, police also adapt the environment they are in. Hard areas call for hard cops. Soft cops do not do well in tough areas and need to remain in the suburbs. I probably couldn’t be a cop in NYC for example. I was simply too nice and too polite and give most people the benefit of the doubt and I would have been taken advantage of, possibly even targeted for attack because some people take that as weakness. They would have been very wrong about that. And I hope if I was there, it wouldn’t have changed me to much.

Where you’re wrong is assuming because your relative had a bad experience that it is like that everywhere. It’s not. I turned a fellow officer in for excessive force and I wasn’t blackballed. And not all cops are bullies or cowards. When you work with someone and get to know them, you don’t want to believe they are capable of shit they are accused of. Cops also see use of force much differently than citizens do because they are trained based upon constitutional rights and Supreme Court cases and most cops adhere to those. You may see a video where a suspect resists arrest and the cop strikes him in the thigh (common perineal) with a baton and they scream and cry “abuse!!” And it’s not. It’s what is taught and that is based on Supreme Court cases. Cops see that and simply say it’s proper and the most vocal opponents will say it is abuse and formulate the opinions like you have.

I think the problem is more widespread than many police believe but I have decided to adjust my language based on this conversation and with another poster. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure a couple years back I told the same story about my cousin and you said you didn't believe me maybe I mistaken you for someone else but I was quite sure it was you... I've been operating under that assumption if it's false for a while now.

Also I hope you noticed my post about getting pulled over recently I want you to know that I would never treat any individual police officer with disrespect for any reason and in my personal dealings with them I always actually feel a great deal of love. I do believe in policing I don't want there to be no police and I really enjoy giving respect and kindness to police especially now when maybe a lot of people don't do that.