Crime Tyre Nichols video to be released soon. 5 Memphis cops fired and charged with murder for his death

[nhbbear]

Ya man. Ive known officers all my life dating back to my uncle being one from my childhood into my late teens. Out of everyone I spoke to, only 1 person said they actually had to fire their weapon, and not even at a person but in the air to scare off a dog. The amount of times police actually have to use their piece is remarkably low. On the flip side these guys have to get physical on a regular basis. A neighbours relative once told us that for the 31 years he served, the most fear he was ever in was in a high speed chase and an encounter with a large, aggressive gang member in a domestic abuse case where they had to use tasers.

If things get really hot, they call in special units, but the average cop will rarely ever see a shoot out throughout their entire career.

I have been shot at. Bullets went over my head but not by that much. But the odd thing was that my first instinct was laughter and I said to my partner “holy shit, Greg. They’re shooting as us.” Then I drew my gun and a girl ran right into the barrel as she came around the corner. I can’t believe I didn’t accidentally shoot her. The gunman ran off. Then we had a riot to deal with. But the most scared I have ever been was during a high speed chase. The car was stolen and was coming at me the wrong way on the highway. I was weaving back and forth trying to slow down the traffic, but it’s fucking I-70 and a very busy highway. I had another chase like that where the guy was coming at us the wrong direction on another highway and he turned off and went up an entrance ramp. I remember trying to hit the brakes and my legs wouldn’t work. Then, after that was over, I had to swear in at city hall to be a corporal-so this is my fourth year. The adrenaline was making me shake like crazy as I was standing in the front of a crowded room taking my oath.

I still have dreams about not being able to find the brake pedal when I am driving in my dreams and after being shot at, I spent the next few weeks waking up breathing real hard, heart pounding, and shaking. Found out years later I had a good old case of ptsd.

 

[nhbbear]

PC= politically correct not probable cause....

oh, ok. I read that wrong. I see PC and I think probable cause

 

[nhbbear]

I hit a standing guillotine on a guy after a foot pursuit in the middle of an intersection

Choke? Nah. That was a vascular neck restraint

The only guillotine I pulled off was my first big festival with like 10k people there. Someone came up to us in the crowd and said there was a guy hitting people at the waterfront. So we went down there and this guy is walking around, getting in people’s faces, and he smacks this guy in the face. We go to arrest him and he pours a beer on his shirtless body. We try to grab him and kept slipping because of the beer. He lowers his head and starts windmilling haymakers at us. His head was down so I grabbed his neck and choked him out and dropped him in a lifeless heap on the ground to the crowd applauding. He filed a complaint on me for choking him

 

[nhbbear]

Cool like this?

Spoiler

hey, that’s me. I used to be able to do a lean cartman singing come sail away

 

[nhbbear]

Not a proper RNC and I can see where it could cause problems.

The lateral vascular restraint is also taught as a head an arm choke

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Wasn't Biden a literal architect of that shit? Clown world.

yeah he was. at least a big part of it. he was never a true leftist.

 

[nhbbear]

Again, stop and frisk almost never turned up these hard drugs or guns used for stick ups you're talking about. Like .1% of the time. Stop and Frisk a vast, vast majority of the time accomplished nothing but trampling people's rights and the NYPD had for many years the data that proved this but kept doing it because it was never about reducing crime, it was about granting themselves a fascist tool and wielding it against poor folks because that's the easiest victim compared to rich connected white folks. The NYPD spending the insane amount of time and tax payer money on this program on any other kind of policing would have done more to reduce crime, but that would have been more work then just picking kids out from the subway platform and searching them.

It's almost like one community, the poor, has a long history of suffering the consequences of being strictly policed which come with financial strain, broken up families, getting records that prohibit job and education opportunities, all the shitty outcomes of being thrown in the justice system which just compound their issues generation after generation while the affluent folks had to endure pretty much none of these strains on their community while abusing and buying the same drugs.

As I said earlier, I don’t think the cops or anyone else understood the cycle of addiction and poverty and crime. All they knew was that they had a ton of violence stemming from drug dealing and gangs, so they threw whatever they could at it. Whether it worked as designed or it was just a coincidence, or because of the 1994 crime omnibus act-crime started to drop.

You are right about arrests leading to difficulty getting jobs or housing and leading to more crime. The broken families happened from jailing the dad, but family structure was already failing after the 70s. The family structure was already broken up by that time with dads getting arrested and single moms (and grandparents) raising the kids. Now, it’s just cultural to a large extent. Without two incomes, you are pretty much doomed to poverty. And crime and poverty are soul mates.

 

[Natural Order]

yeah he was. at least a big part of it. he was never a true leftist.

Biden a leftist? Ooof, yeah not even close. Career corporate centrist at best.
Mind-bogglingly bad that the two best options the US of A could muster to lead humanity were either this clown or Drumpf. Sad times!

 

[nhbbear]

Here we go. This is all over twitter. Now that they have a white guy to blame, everyone can breathe a sigh of relief

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Jews aren't white.

Aside from that, blacks are the ONLY ones with this problem? Not asians? Not Indians who look black? Not Hispanics?

First. No. Not from that area. I am outside of Pittsburgh and we have a very serious Cleveland problem. Like I said, I should have never heard of Euclid, but we have all kids of shitheads from that area.

As to your scenario, probably not running that plate. Sorry, but the details greatly matter. I see the car in front of a crack house with the same description, yep I am running it. I would run it with three white guys in the car because it’s in front of a crackhouse. I don’t just see a black guy in a car and run the plates.

Then why say probably???
The only known quantities were clearly drawn out. It also is a very realistic scenario that I'm sure you have encountered many times. Why are we creating grey area?

3 white guys in front of a crack house has nothing to do with any scenarios asked about.
Being in front of a crack house is not whats in question here. I have no idea why it keeps coming up. That is not what "profiling" is.

I think we are conflating reasonable suspicion with profiling & jumping to sweeping conclusions.

 

[nhbbear]

Basically Contempt of cop

That is exactly it. I remember we had to chase down a Cleveland boy who ran from us and we found him hiding underneath a porch. We put him in cuffs and he kept asking “are you gonna beat me now?” And we said no. He kept asking and I finally asked him why he thought we were going to beat him and he said that if you make a cop chase you in Cleveland, they take you out back and beat the fuck out of you. He told us we was aight and I told him to not get comfortable and take his drug dealing ass back to Cleveland. Nope, he settled in and was indicted for murder a couple of months ago.

 

[nhbbear]

Then why say probably???
The only known quantities were clearly drawn out. It also is a very realistic scenario that I'm sure you have encountered many times. Why are we creating grey area?

3 white guys in front of a crack house has nothing to do with any scenarios asked about.
Being in front of a crack house is not whats in question here. I have no idea why it keeps coming up. That is not what "profiling" is.

I think we are conflating reasonable suspicion with profiling & jumping to sweeping conclusions.

So, what answer do you want? I told you I am not running a plate simply because it has three black dudes in it. I said I would run it under certain conditions and you’re like “no, we didn’t agree on that.” I told you under what circumstances I would run a plate, under what circumstances I would stop a car, how I would build ras, and how if I was dealing with a car from Cleveland, I would be more cautious.

I started this scenario, you don’t get to make up the rules

 

[oldshadow]

Here we go. This is all over twitter. Now that they have a white guy to blame, everyone can breathe a sigh of relief

Next it's all his fault. The white devil.

 

[Poon Goon]

Here we go. This is all over twitter. Now that they have a white guy to blame, everyone can breathe a sigh of relief

I get that everyone thinks Crump is a piece of shit and I don't disagree with that. However, I do think that he asks some questions there that deserve to be answered. Jumping to the assumption that the guy was protected because of his race was unnecessary, but I would like to know why this is only coming out now.

I'm not saying he should have been charged with anything, but I haven't seen any explanation. If there's still an ongoing investigation then they haven't said that or I missed it.

 

[shockaholic12]

As I said earlier, I don’t think the cops or anyone else understood the cycle of addiction and poverty and crime. All they knew was that they had a ton of violence stemming from drug dealing and gangs, so they threw whatever they could at it. Whether it worked as designed or it was just a coincidence, or because of the 1994 crime omnibus act-crime started to drop.

You are right about arrests leading to difficulty getting jobs or housing and leading to more crime. The broken families happened from jailing the dad, but family structure was already failing after the 70s. The family structure was already broken up by that time with dads getting arrested and single moms (and grandparents) raising the kids. Now, it’s just cultural to a large extent. Without two incomes, you are pretty much doomed to poverty. And crime and poverty are soul mates.

I don't believe the department was oblivious to these consequences being place on one community and not others. If we were talking about this program happening in the 70s I'd agree but when is this going down in very recent past there's no excuses because by then there's countless studies and data on this kind of policing and countless advocates communicating this information to departments.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

So, what answer do you want? I told you I am not running a plate simply because it has three black dudes in it. I said I would run it under certain conditions and you’re like “no, we didn’t agree on that.” I told you under what circumstances I would run a plate, under what circumstances I would stop a car, how I would build ras, and how if I was dealing with a car from Cleveland, I would be more cautious.

I started this scenario, you don’t get to make up the rules

Since you asked...
I guess this would be the answer I would want from a good cop: "I wouldn't pull black dudes from Cleveland over or run their tags for anything different than white dudes"

Seemed like you were playing a game where you wouldn't answer simple or direct questions. I get to make up the rules for whatever questions I ask. An honest actor would answer them in good faith. Not that you have to or anything.

Pulling people over for participating in drug activities or real crimes that you would pull anybody else over for changes the conversation into something else completely different. Its no longer about just racial profiling.

If you are saying you are a PA cop and there has been a huge crime wave from "Cleveland " I would say there is nothing wrong with checking or looking into cars with those tags in your area since its so far away. I would not consider that profiling. As long as cars from Cleveland with whites in them get that same scrutiny.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

Since you asked...
I guess this would be the answer I would want from a good cop: "I wouldn't pull black dudes from Cleveland over or run their tags for anything different than white dudes"

Seemed like you were playing a game where you wouldn't answer simple or direct questions. I get to make up the rules for whatever questions I ask. An honest actor would answer them in good faith. Not that you have to or anything.

Pulling people over for participating in drug activities or real crimes that you would pull anybody else over for changes the conversation into something else completely different. Its no longer about just racial profiling.

If you are saying you are a PA cop and there has been a huge crime wave from "Cleveland " I would say there is nothing wrong with checking or looking into cars with those tags in your area since its so far away. I would not consider that profiling. As long as cars from Cleveland with whites in them get that same scrutiny.

Hmmm.... that changes my discussion from last night, as I thought he was an Ohio officer.

In Pennsylvania, the passenger does not have to give information such as his name, address or immigration status.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64408456

Three Memphis fire department workers have been fired amid an investigation into a motorist's death that has shocked the US.

Officials said two paramedics and a driver who responded to the scene did not provide Mr Nichols adequate care.

He was punched, kicked and hit with a baton after being pulled over for an alleged traffic violation.

Five policemen have been fired and charged with murder. It emerged on Monday two others have been suspended.

Memphis officials said on Monday that the three sacked fire department workers - Robert Long, JaMichael Sandridge and Lt Michelle Whitaker - had "failed to conduct an adequate patient assessment of Mr Nichols".

All three violated numerous department policies, Memphis Fire Department Chief Gina Sweat said, without providing further details.

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Hot DAMN!

3 more jobs gone.

Was it worth all this just to beat a guy to death?

Fucking weird, people, man. Hopefully everyone with an ounce of guilt on them gets canned and serves some time.

 

[DEVILsSON]

again, there are ethnicities that are primarily jewish, but judaism is a religion. if dna tests are labeling people as jewish, it’s likely _____ jewish. as in german jew, polish jew, russian jew, etc.

that said, considering we are talking about jews in positions of wealth and power in america, over 90% of jews in america are white and self-identify as such.

Being Jewish is an ethnicity in of itself. Where Jews live is irrelevant to them being Jewish.

'Self Identify'....you mean White/Black/Hispanic/Asian?
sometimes other......yea if you give a handful of options 'white' will be selected by many people simply because it's the closest option not because you actually identify as white.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

Since you asked...
I guess this would be the answer I would want from a good cop: "I wouldn't pull black dudes from Cleveland over or run their tags for anything different than white dudes"

Seemed like you were playing a game where you wouldn't answer simple or direct questions. I get to make up the rules for whatever questions I ask. An honest actor would answer them in good faith. Not that you have to or anything.

Pulling people over for participating in drug activities or real crimes that you would pull anybody else over for changes the conversation into something else completely different. Its no longer about just racial profiling.

If you are saying you are a PA cop and there has been a huge crime wave from "Cleveland " I would say there is nothing wrong with checking or looking into cars with those tags in your area since its so far away. I would not consider that profiling. As long as cars from Cleveland with whites in them get that same scrutiny.

Most of the time when you pull someone over for a traffic violation you have no idea who's behind the wheel.

I also disagree that race cannot be a factor. If you know it's almost exclusively white drug dealers from a certain area coming into your city, it will most definitely be a factor in decision making. There's idealism and there are practical realities of law enforcement. It's a bit like deviating from game theory optimal approach while playing cards in order to exploit the mistakes of your weaker opponents. There's also nothing inherently wrong with making observations, having consensual encounters, etc.

I don't think your questions are as straight forward as you think they are because life is full of nuance and you're acting like everything is black and white. You are certainly entitled to ask any questions you like though don't expect easy answers that you think should exist. It's bit like going up to a lawyer and asking why the legal world doesn't function the way you think it should despite knowing almost nothing about it.