Crime Tyre Nichols video to be released soon. 5 Memphis cops fired and charged with murder for his death

@nhbbear
Curious on your thoughts of this. This just popped up on my YouTube shorts.
A cop in a town that has a 20% Black population. He wrote 260 tickets in 6 months. 80% of the tickets were to Blacks. The next highest officer only wrote 250 tickets the entire year.

Should cops be evaluated by statistics like this?
Do you think this is a red flag?
Or is it plausible that the cop is not being a racist ass hat?
 
milkmandanl said:
To recap…you asked “do you think these 5 cops would do the same to a suburban white kid”

I responded “yes”, you then responded that you didn’t think so and added that there is a strong possibility that they wouldn’t….to summarize ; we both gave our opinion…

you also mentioned that you’d like to see how they interacted with others on a daily basis…

I responded with that we do have data that we includes unarmed white suspects being killed by police…

your went off the rails shortly after that…I presume it’s because my opinion was differ than yours.
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2 lies in this post.
#1. I didn't go off the rails. This is hyperbole and exaggeration that dings your credibility.

#2 It has nothing to do with your opinion. Others had your same opinion. Nobody is right its an opinion.

#3 Data of unarmed white suspects getting killed by DIFFERENT cops has nothing to do with what I asked. Yet you refuse to understand that simple point. Look up red herring because I'm convinced you have no idea what that means.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
@nhbbear
Curious on your thoughts of this. This just popped up on my YouTube shorts.
A cop in a town that has a 20% Black population. He wrote 260 tickets in 6 months. 80% of the tickets were to Blacks. The next highest officer only wrote 250 tickets the entire year.

Should cops be evaluated by statistics like this?
Do you think this is a red flag?
Or is it plausible that the cop is not being a racist ass hat?
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That is a bit concerning, but it’s not impossible that it is legit. You would have to look at what area he is working in-mostly black neighborhoods? What are his numbers like in other years? What are the tickets for? Let’s say a cop gets a bunch of complaints about a certain stop sign everyone is running so he sets up near that stop sign and nails everyone that runs it. If he works in a mostly black neighborhood, then numbers like that would not be out of the ordinary. Is he a traffic cop or a beat cop? That makes a big difference in how many tickets a cop should be writing.

I was never a traffic cop. I rarely did traffic stops and most of those were warnings. If I did a traffic stop in my early days it was because I was looking for drugs or guns after watching the vehicle for a while or knowing the person had a suspended license/warrant/just left a drug house/ or a number of other reasons. I, and most cops, look down upon traffic cops or traffic nazis as we called them. Seemingly, without fail, in my experience, the guys that thrive on traffic stops are very similar to each other. Ass kissing ambitious little twats that wouldn’t know real police work if it bit them in the ass. It is the quickest way to get noticed is to have a ton of tickets and that is lauded over by the brass. Especially guys that aspire to be traffic cops. They will take every opportunity to do traffic stops and always write tickets. If I wrote you a ticket, you fucked up bad. Like the kind of shit you see asshole drivers do and it gets you pissed off that there isn’t a cop around sort of things-weaving in an out of traffic, cutting people off, blatantly running lights or signs, flying past you at 30mph over the speed limit- that sort of thing.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
2 lies in this post.
#1. I didn't go off the rails. This is hyperbole and exaggeration that dings your credibility.

#2 It has nothing to do with your opinion. Others had your same opinion. Nobody is right its an opinion.

#3 Data of unarmed white suspects getting killed by DIFFERENT cops has nothing to do with what I asked. Yet you refuse to understand that simple point. Look up red herring because I'm convinced you have no idea what that means.
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1. your post is off the rails

2. When you ask a question you get peoples opinion.

3. Data of unarmed suspects broken down by race has as much to do with this as asking for data of how these cops interact on a daily basis…

most importantly, all you have to do is watch the video to see what violent piece of shit criminals do to the innocent…it shouldn’t take much to speculate that they do the same to anyone else give the same circumstances
 
nhbbear said:
I took it to get on the department and my original undergrad was a psych degree. I don’t think it is hard to game those tests if you know what they are looking for. That is why it can’t be the only tool you use to look for suitability tests for being a police officer.
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What do you mean “game” them?

What do you think they are “looking for?”

These types of tests are fairly comprehensive, and again, have validity indices that tell us if your trying to portray yourself as overly virtuous. I’m not saying they are fool proof, or that they should be used alone, but what happens most often is a person elevates on a “fake good” scale making it obvious that they weren’t fully truthful with their responses.
 
milkmandanl said:
To recap…you asked “do you think these 5 cops would do the same to a suburban white kid”

I responded “yes”, you then responded that you didn’t think so and added that there is a strong possibility that they wouldn’t….to summarize ; we both gave our opinion…

you also mentioned that you’d like to see how they interacted with others on a daily basis…

I responded with that we do have data that we includes unarmed white suspects being killed by police…

your went off the rails shortly after that…I presume it’s because my opinion was differ than yours.
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I recommended just walking away. You won't get anywhere with that guy. He reads into things what he wants and ignores what you're actually saying.
 
PhitePhan said:
What do you mean “game” them?

What do you think they are “looking for?”

These types of tests are fairly comprehensive, and again, have validity indices that tell us if your trying to portray yourself as overly virtuous. I’m not saying they are fool proof, or that they should be used alone, but what happens most often is a person elevates on a “fake good” scale making it obvious that they weren’t fully truthful with their responses.
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By game them, I mean to cheat them, and it can be done fairly easily if you know what the questions are trying to dig at. I mean there are questions like true/false:sometimes I like to tease animals or I feel the world is against me and shit like that.

I know you are going to say that the validity scales or whatever they are called now, will spot false answers, but how do these tests prove someone is telling a lie? They can’t. And the test questions are not at all subtle. If you answer them all honestly and you have issues, the test will show it, but it is easy enough for a reasonably smart person to know what they are looking for and avoid it.
 


Donut’s shortened version of his response video. I don’t agree with him in the first part where he kind of said Tyre was resisting getting handcuffed. Dude couldn’t comply because they were holding his arms and shoulders don’t move that way!
Keep in mind though, this is the first time he is seeing this video and maybe he doesn’t pick up those things the first time through.


Also, notice that he has to blur out all the strikes to Tyre. That is because YouTube loves to demonitize donut at every possible situation despite this video being everywhere unblurred.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
@nhbbear
Curious on your thoughts of this. This just popped up on my YouTube shorts.
A cop in a town that has a 20% Black population. He wrote 260 tickets in 6 months. 80% of the tickets were to Blacks. The next highest officer only wrote 250 tickets the entire year.

Should cops be evaluated by statistics like this?
Do you think this is a red flag?
Or is it plausible that the cop is not being a racist ass hat?
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Do you have a link to the video you are talking about?
 
milkmandanl said:
1. your post is off the rails

2. When you ask a question you get peoples opinion.

3. Data of unarmed suspects broken down by race has as much to do with this as asking for data of how these cops interact on a daily basis…

most importantly, all you have to do is watch the video to see what violent piece of shit criminals do to the innocent…it shouldn’t take much to speculate that they do the same to anyone else give the same circumstances
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Speculation is not proof. No you can't prove a hypothetical or any of that from a video. You said PROOF. You clearly have no idea how simple concepts like proof, opinion, speculation, or subjectivity work.
Also, show me one post where anybody said "no unharmed white person was ever murdered by the police. " strawman, red herring, rinse and repeat.
 
nhbbear said:
Do you have a link to the video you are talking about?
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Let me try to find it. If it was on YouTube it will be in my history. If it was Facebook I probably won't be able to find again...

Ok found a news report of it....
Appears he might be a State Trooper???
 
nhbbear said:


Donut’s shortened version of his response video. I don’t agree with him in the first part where he kind of said Tyre was resisting getting handcuffed. Dude couldn’t comply because they were holding his arms and shoulders don’t move that way!
Keep in mind though, this is the first time he is seeing this video and maybe he doesn’t pick up those things the first time through.


Also, notice that he has to blur out all the strikes to Tyre. That is because YouTube loves to demonitize donut at every possible situation despite this video being everywhere unblurred.
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I know this isn't your point or callout
but the whole resisting arrest argument Is the same as "but she was dressed like a skank so she deserved to get raped....or well the child was misbehaving so it was ok for the parents to beat the kid to death. " Its just hard to take anybody seriously or consider them a moral or just person if that's what they lead with or want to focus on.

If the guy got roughed up with some bruises or abrasions in the scuffle...ok yeah one could make that fair argument. Its ridiculous to even compare what happened here to anything that might have resulted from resisting arrest.
 
nhbbear said:
That’s pretty ridiculous. A domestic conviction should automatically disqualify one from serving in law enforcement and especially from learning a law enforcement agency.
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Not conviction. But he literally put down as a reference the person who he had been in an abusive relationship with. Having said that, yeah that department has overlooked domestic convictions and stalking and the like before.
koquerelle said:
They heavily screen and do a piss poor job. Psychological evaluations need to change.
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Sure, no disagreement from me that the problem should be tackled and not just written off as too hard. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Speculation is not proof. No you can't prove a hypothetical or any of that from a video. You said PROOF. You clearly have no idea how simple concepts like proof, opinion, speculation, or subjectivity work.
Also, show me one post where anybody said "no unharmed white person was ever murdered by the police. " strawman, red herring, rinse and repeat.
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Excellent descriptions of what you are doing.

I don’t have to prove my opinion. As I said, just watch the video.
 
Let’s see how the trial goes. I wonder just how hard they’re sentenced - I’m assuming they’ll get decent legal representation which could lessen a lengthy prison sentence..

Also this isn’t just these 5-6-7 people, this was enabled by higher leadership. No way it’s isolated. This is bad management! No hours of training fixes this.
 
milkmandanl said:
Excellent descriptions of what you are doing.

I don’t have to prove my opinion. As I said, just watch the video.
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You do when you claim you had proof. Lmao
milkmandanl said:
Yes and no…when you dig btw, the data clearly answers your what if question
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milkmandanl said:
At this point, I’ll not respond to you unless you agree to make a bet…sig or avatar....
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Just putting this here to remind you that you aren't honest and say stuff that you don't abide by....I thought you were done responding????
Now this would be PROOF that you say things that don't wind up to be true.

Doctor Stoppage said:
But generally the data says the answer to your question is unequivocally yes.
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No it doesn't. I disagree. Thats not how any of that works.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
You do when you claim you had proof. Lmao


Just putting this here to remind you that you aren't honest and say stuff that you don't abide by....I thought you were done responding????
Now this would be PROOF that you say things that don't wind up to be true.


No it doesn't. I disagree. Thats not how any of that works.
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you have reading comprehension challenges. I never once claimed to have proof for my opinion.
 
Are people changing their social media profile pics to black this time around? George Floyd must have been more important I guess....

A far bigger deal was made out of that one for some reason. I can't quite put my finger on it
 
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