Social Turns out Imane Khelif Really Was a Man

The IOC absolutely conspired to allow Khelif to compete at the Olympics in spite of the IBA's rulings which have no been completely validated and vindicated from the horse's mouth.

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That's where we started. Those who were knighting Khelif insisted the IBA was a corrupt, lying organization, and that they fabricated the claims about Khelif. This was even maintained after the independent lab's test results were leaked. Hell, you're so brainwashed by woke politics you're still maintaining it:

The goalposts have shifted so far you guys don't seem to remember where this all started.

Again, if Khelif could have satisfied the very sensible standards the IBA itself introduced, which have nothing to do with legitimate wider concerns of corruption in that body, then why didn't Khelif simply submit to authorities for testing? Every time Khelif was afforded the opportunity to douse the outcry, Khelif evaded.

Read the writing on the wall. It's a disgrace Khelif was allowed to compete.
Cry more about it
 
Again, if Khelif could have satisfied the very sensible standards the IBA itself introduced, which have nothing to do with legitimate wider concerns of corruption in that body, then why didn't Khelif simply submit to authorities for testing?
Because it's nobody's fucking business. She was legally allowed to compete at the Olympics.
Every time Khelif was afforded the opportunity to douse the outcry, Khelif evaded.
The outcry was exclusively coming from douchebags.

But hey, check this out:


Seems like a weird thing to do if she's actually, you know, a man.
 
What makes me a bigot? The fact I want fair rules to be observed & enforced?
Keep that same energy for masculine white women in combat sports.

I'm sure you'll be demanding that Kayla Harrison proves she's female enough for you any day now, right?

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Keep that same energy for masculine white women in combat sports.

I'm sure you'll be demanding that Kayla Harrison proves she's female enough for you any day now, right?

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Why are you talking about race? Why are you bringing Kayla into this at all? Is there a suspicion she ought to be disqualified from female competition based on her genetic profile?
 
Why are you talking about race?
Because race is a huge part of this story, whether you realize it or not.
Why are you bringing Kayla into this at all? Is there a suspicion she ought to be disqualified from female competition based on her genetic profile?
Yes. She is at least as masculine as Khelif and was never asked to prove her chromosomes or genital configuration.
 
Because race is a huge part of this story, whether you realize it or not.

Yes. She is at least as masculine as Khelif and was never asked to prove her chromosomes or genital configuration.
Substantiate this. Provide me with the exhaustive history of her competition testing for her amateur career. She competed in Judo in international competition and in the Olympics. They have regularly conducted SRY-testing in that sport.

I would surmise the reason she didn't become a figure of controversy is because she never failed this test as Khelif clearly would have. The IOC disqualified the IBA from enforcing those rules in Paris. That's the only reason Khelif was allowed to compete. Khelif wouldn't have been allowed to compete against women in Judo given what we know.
 
Substantiate this. Provide me with the exhaustive history of her competition testing for her amateur career. She competed in Judo in international competition and in the Olympics. They have regularly conducted SRY-testing in that sport.
I suppose I'll have to take you word for this, since no source.
I would surmise the reason she didn't become a figure of controversy is because she never failed this test as Khelif clearly would have. The IOC disqualified the IBA from enforcing those rules in Paris. That's the only reason Khelif was allowed to compete. Khelif wouldn't have been allowed to compete against women in Judo given what we know.
You are making the claim. The onus is on you.
 
Substantiate this. Provide me with the exhaustive history of her competition testing for her amateur career. She competed in Judo in international competition and in the Olympics. They have regularly conducted SRY-testing in that sport.
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Ah, so that was total bullshit. I'm shocked. Shocked I say!

Well not that shocked.
 
I suppose I'll have to take you word for this, since no source.

You are making the claim. The onus is on you.
I did not. You did. You were the one who introduced Kayla to this conversation where there is no apparent reason for her to be mentioned in the first place. Subsequently, you claimed there is a suspicion Kayla would have failed testing, and that she was never tested. Here, let's jog that goldfish memory.
Why are you bringing Kayla into this at all? Is there a suspicion she ought to be disqualified from female competition based on her genetic profile?
Yes. She is at least as masculine as Khelif and was never asked to prove her chromosomes or genital configuration.
The onus is on you.
 
I did not. You did. You were the one who introduced Kayla to this conversation where there is no apparent reason for her to be mentioned in the first place. Subsequently, you claimed there is a suspicion Kayla would have failed testing, and that she was never tested. Here, let's jog that goldfish memory.


The onus is on you.
You were literally just caught in a lie.

Sit the fuck down.
 
I'm not a liar. They tested SRY back in the 90's. Again, I wasn't aware they abolished that.

Because, unlike the IJF, the IBA which had previously been charged with setting rules for boxing had imposed testing that guided these decisions. The IOC then overrode their authority to allow Khelif to compete.
The International Boxing Association (IBA) has clarified the facts that led to the disqualification of two boxers, Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-ting of Chinese Taipei.
  • Imane Khelif has been participating in the IBA competitions since 2018, and Lin Yu-ting has competed since 2017. Current IBA management, having been in leadership since December 2020, has been on top of the problem from the very first IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships they conducted in 2022. IBA cannot comment on the previous iterations and lack of leadership actions in this regard.
  • Following many complaints from several coaches, boxers agreed to gender testing. Blood sample collection was made on 17 May 2022. Sistem Tip Laboratory from Istanbul (License Number: 194-MRK) issued its report on 24 May 2022, after the competition ended. The laboratory detected results that didn’t match the eligibility criteria for IBA women’s events.
  • Khelif won the silver medal in category 63 kg, Lin won the gold medal in category 57 kg.
  • One test for each athlete was not enough to make a decision with respective consequences; in the case that one test mistake is possible. The lawyers advised to monitor the situation and to contact the IOC.
  • IBA informed the IOC representatives about these tests, but no reaction followed from the IOC side.
  • The situation was completely new to boxing, and IBA, following numerous consultations, decided to conduct a second testing before disqualifying the boxers. However, the second testing could only be conducted in a neutral country and within the IBA competition period.
  • At the next IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships 2023 in New Delhi, Khelif and Lin were tested following their consent again before their first fights. Blood sample collection was made on 17 March 2023. Dr Lal PathLabs from New Delhi issued its report on 23 March 2023. The findings were absolutely identical to the first test results.
  • On 24 March 2023, IBA Secretary General & CEO at the time, George Yerolimpos, informed both Khelif and Lin about their exclusion from the Championships for not meeting the eligibility criteria. The athletes received a copy of their testing and were informed about the possibility of appealing to the CAS within 21 days.
  • Khelif and Lin were informed accordingly about the decision and acknowledged it by signing the papers. The test details were attached to the letter.
  • On 26 March 2023, the IBA Board of Directors by a majority vote decided to ratify the decision taken by the IBA Secretary General & CEO on behalf of IBA to disqualify Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting from the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships 2023.
  • These tests affect the private life of the person concerned and constitute medical information protected as personal data. We are not allowed to publish these documents without the agreement of the person concerned. However, both Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting received a copy of these tests, and they never disputed it. They know these tests exist and it is not fake.
  • Both athletes were provided with the right to appeal against the Board’s decision to the CAS.
  • Lin Yu-ting did not appeal against the decision to declare her ineligible, and it became legal and binding.
  • On 12 May 2023, IBA amended its Technical and Competition Rules. After internal discussion, it was decided by the Board of Directors that IBA competitions will be conducted only between male athletes and between female athletes. Participation of DSD athletes (“differences of sexual development”) in boxing competitions were found dangerous for health and security of the boxers.
  • Amendments made by the Board to the T&C Rules:

Definition of Men/Male/Boy = individual with chromosome XY.
Definition of Women/Female/Girl = individual with chromosome XX
Rule 4.2. Eligibility on Gender:
4.2.1.Boxers will compete against boxers of the same gender, meaning Women vs Women and Men vs Men as per the definitions of these Rules.
4.2.2.To determine the gender, the Boxers can be submitted to a random and/or targeted gender test which will be conducted by IBA in cooperation with the selected laboratory personnel.
4.2.3. In case of adverse result, the Boxer will be immediately notified by IBA.
4.2.4. In case of adverse result, the Boxer will be disqualified from such competition with immediate effect and will be prevented from competing in further IBA-owned and sanctioned competitions of that gender. For this purpose, IBA will share such information with the relevant internal bodies respecting its confidentiality.
  • On 14 April 2023, Imane Khelif appealed to the CAS against IBA challenging the decision to disqualify her from the competitions. IBA paid its share of procedural costs, which demonstrates the good faith of IBA. Not many international federations agree to pay their share of costs in CAS proceedings. On 27 July 2023, the CAS issued the termination order and terminated the proceedings because the appellant did not pay the costs of the proceedings.
  • After the termination of the proceedings before the CAS, IBA and Imane Khelif were in contact to resolve the situation. In particular, the athlete provided to IBA number of medical documents, which were examined by the IBA Medical Committee.
  • On 23 March 2023, the IBA Medical Committee issued its report about the eligibility of Khelif.
  • On 12 April 2023, IBA informed Imane Khelif about the conclusions made by the IBA Medical Committee and confirmed again that she was not eligible to participate in the IBA Women’s Competition. Therefore, her profile in Elite Women Light Welter was removed from the IBA database. She did not appeal against this decision of IBA.
  • IBA does not want to comment private life of a person. For IBA it is not a matter how Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting identify themselves, and what is written in their passport. IBA’s main concern is that their hormonal imbalance affords them a distinct advantage over their female counterparts within their respective weight categories. It can be dangerous for other female boxers that we have already seen during the Olympic Games. Therefore, she is not eligible to participate in the IBA competitions.
  • On 5 June 2023, IBA sent an official correspondence to the IOC regarding the case.
  • On 16 June 2023, the IOC Sports Director Mr Kit McConnell sent the acknowledgment email.
  • On 31 July 2024, the Italian Boxing Federation office sent an email inquiry to the IBA Sport Department asking about the facts that led to Khelif’s disqualification on the eve of the bout against their boxer Angela Carini at the Paris 2024 Games.
  • IBA issued the first statement about the Khelif/Lin cases following multiple media requests on 31 July 2024.
  • On 1 August 2024, Carini abandoned the fight at 66kg against Khelif at the Paris 2024 Games after 46 seconds.
  • IBA condemned the IOC’s eligibility rules that allowed disqualified boxers to participate in the Games following that the IOC was warned about their ineligibility.
  • IOC claimed at the press briefing that the organization has never been informed about the case, which was a lie.
  • IBA was forced to give a press conference on 5 August 2024 in Paris to address the situation in detail.
  • IBA issued a statement with a list of facts and attached documents following the press conference to conclude the case.
They are reintroducing it to Judo-- and all sports, apparently-- precisely because of controversies like the one surrounding Khelif. I think everyone welcomes this.

So will you concede that Khelif should have been subject to this testing to compete in Paris per the IBA's ahead-of-the-curve testing protocol? Do you still believe this is inappropriate? Do you oppose SRY-gene testing?
 
I'm not a liar. They tested SRY back in the 90's. Again, I wasn't aware they abolished that.

Because, unlike the IJF, the IBA which had previously been charged with setting rules for boxing had imposed testing that guided these decisions. The IOC then overrode their authority to allow Khelif to compete.

They are reintroducing it to Judo-- and all sports, apparently-- precisely because of controversies like the one surrounding Khelif. I think everyone welcomes this.

So will you concede that Khelif should have been subject to this testing to compete in Paris per the IBA's ahead-of-the-curve testing protocol? Do you still believe this is inappropriate? Do you oppose SRY-gene testing?
I edited my post. I think you are arguing in good faith.
 
The organization that administers eligibility to compete (International Boxing Association) said Khelif was ineligible due to the failed tests. The leaks only came months afterward.



Where's the proof Khelif has a vagina? People with 5-ard have micropenises that sometimes get mistaken for clits when they're babies. But they also have testes, so that's a moot point.



The suspicion is that Khelif has the same exact condition as former Olympic runner Castor Semenya. That means undescended testicles producing testosterone.

But none of that is confirmed or admitted by anyone. All we know for a fact is that Khelif has a male karyotype in gender testing and also tested for high testosterone - admitted by Khelif themself.



Only if they have a super rare intersex condition like Swyer's syndrome. But then they wouldn't have tested for high male testosterone levels which Khelif has.

The only plausible explanation for the high testosterone is a condition like 5-ard.
It looks like they've decided to have tests done and make them public so we'll see if she's eligible to compete in the future or not.
 
That is only one (very corrupt) organization, based on Russia.

And now the British led World Boxing is saying the same thing - no biological males allowed.

So British based World Boxing is corrupt too?

Where is your proof she has a penis?

Where's your proof he had female reproductive organs? That's what YOU said.

I never stated Khelif had a penis. I said people with the intersex condition 5-ard do, but nothing is confirmed. I literally said it in the post right above you. Reading comprehension much?

You're just deliberately misreading what I say because your argument is so weak with zero evidence.

I thought you said she was a man?

At least be consistent in your bigotry.

He is. The lab tests says so. That has literally nothing to do with bigotry 🤡.

You are making the claim. The onus is on you.

Nah the onus is on YOU. Because you're claiming Khelif has female reproductive organs and is female. PROOF?!!!
 
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