Social The TERFS Won - The Olympics Set to Ban Transwomen from the Female Category

[KnightTemplar]

Well, I guess I'll lend a little bit of credibility to the other guy's post claiming that we treat them as equal...

We know it. They know it. Yet they(players/media) still play dumb about the skill level between men and women, and pretend they're equal and that we "don't have any evidence" that men are physically superior to women. There are times I would like them to get rid of segregation in sports, if only for one night so we can end this absurd debate. Call them "The Games of Evidence", and let them them be a forever reminder of why we don't do that.

The US Women's Team's best player was the Goalie...and they still lost 12 - 0

 

[CasualBot]

The evidence is that Khelif failed two separate tests (by two separate independent labs in two different countries) during the World Championships. Which subsequently leaked.

Then when the British based organization now in charge of Olympic boxing changed their standards to require gender cheek swab tests for ALL participants, Khelif refused to do the tests. Essentially ending his/her career.

So this test checked for dong and sperm ...

Or ovaries & uterus ?

You're going to struggle to answer that,
And maybe understand why I don't blindly concede the "failed test" evidence.

 

[Hog-train]

So this test checked for dong and sperm ...

Or ovaries & uterus ?

You're going to struggle to answer that,
And maybe understand why I don't blindly concede the "failed test" evidence.

No need to do any of that. They did a simple cheek swab.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

That’s the thing that kills me when people say “you think Harris is woke!?”.

She doesn’t have to be “woke” herself. She was going to allow the woke train to keep rolling just like Biden.

Yes, it was beyond idiotic to be so obviously against the biggest demographic in the country. They would do even small stupid shit like on their websites putting up pictures of people they represent and it would be like a whole bunch of kids and maybe one would actually be white and it would be a white kid with dreadlocks.

I'm all for inclusivity of people (but not for forced equity of outcome), but the morality purity testers went too far and pushed everything too far. To the point it was obviously a faux-morality ploiy.

It was so stupid I almost want to believe a conspiracy theory of controlled opposition knowing there would have to be a pendulum swing back, but I don't think that was actually the case. Harris did indeed try to distance herself from the extreme left wing, but to me it was like Trump pretending to have never heard of project 2025 - dishonest.

 

[Madmick]

So this test checked for dong and sperm ...

Or ovaries & uterus ?

You're going to struggle to answer that,
And maybe understand why I don't blindly concede the "failed test" evidence.

You're not very bright, are you?

 

[Hog-train]

Well, I guess I'll lend a little bit of credibility to the other guy's post claiming that we treat them as equal...

We know it. They know it. Yet they(players/media) still play dumb about the skill level between men and women, and pretend they're equal and that we "don't have any evidence" that men are physically superior to women. There are times I would like them to get rid of segregation in sports, if only for one night so we can end this absurd debate. Call them "The Games of Evidence", and let them them be a forever reminder of why we don't do that.

Trans pseudoscience has infested actual "science" organizations so much that they're actually arguing females are not lesser athletes than men due to biology, but because of sexism LMAO.

I don't know if these "scientists" actually believe this bullshit or intentionally lying for political purposes. If they actually believe this shit, they have no business being scientists.

Scientific American: The Theory That Men Evolved to Hunt and Women Evolved to Gather Is Wrong

"Inequity between male and female athletes is a result not of inherent biological differences between the sexes but of biases in how they are treated in sports."

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[UberHere]

Trans pseudoscience has infested actual "science" organizations so much that they're actually arguing females are not lesser athletes than men due to biology, but because of sexism LMAO.

I don't know if these "scientists" actually believe this bullshit or intentionally lying for political purposes. If they actually believe this shit, they have no business being scientists.

Scientific American: The Theory That Men Evolved to Hunt and Women Evolved to Gather Is Wrong

"Inequity between male and female athletes is a result not of inherent biological differences between the sexes but of biases in how they are treated in sports."

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This is a problem in medical journals now too.

 

[J0N0]

troll on........

Take that as you don't have a reason then

 

[kflo]

Take that as you don't have a reason then

You really think it’s clever to ask why segregate sports based on sex? And you can’t see any reason to do so?

 

[J0N0]

You really think it’s clever to ask why segregate sports based on sex? And you can’t see any reason to do so?

It's probably incredibly obvious why people of different genders can play sports together as a hobby, but not professionally. However I'm missing it, so happy to be clued in if you could mate?

 

[kflo]

It's probably incredibly obvious why people of different genders can play sports together as a hobby, but not professionally. However I'm missing it, so happy to be clued in if you could mate?

lol.

So maybe try to think through what professional league would have men and women play together. How would define eligibility?

I mean, they DO have mixed doubles in tennis.

 

[Soggust]

For the record, in the very quote you originally boxed, I called them "female boxers", and I later mentioned they are "intersex", but I do enjoy trolling the trolls.

However, since the leaked medical report by a respected lab establishes Khelif's biological sex as the following:

In the absence of any evidence more reliable than that (his father's testimony most certainly doesn't qualify), the evidence towards his sex clearly indicates a male baseline.

Thus, the burden of proof is on you, or in fact, Khelif, to substantiate this isn't the case. The fact he refuses to simply take a test, and resolve the issue...strongly suggests the leaked medical report is exactly what it appears to be, and is accurate.

Who is the arbiter of her sex?

If it's her native country, she's lived as a female her whole life.

If it's what we think, then idk why you are referring to chromosomes because the USA definition of a female (written by Trump & Republicans) doesn't mention chromosomes once, so that test would not be applicable.

If it's what the IOC declares, then she was a female by the standards when she competed, therefore no one should have an issue with it even if she is declared ineligible going forward.

 

[Scerpi]

There won't be any competitive contest between a male and a female in any athletic competition at a high level. That's why. It's like the entire reason women's sports were created. Your average beer league Basketball team would crush the WNBA all stars.

There's a reason below average dudes dressed as girls dominate women's sports...

 

[Fox by the Sea]

If it's what the IOC declares, then she was a female by the standards when she competed, therefore no one should have an issue with it even if she is declared ineligible going forward.

Athletes lose past medals all the time when proper new tests discover for example the presence of PEDs in the originals samples. If new tests would show Imane does not meet the woman requirement, it's reasonable to expect a loss of medal. the IOC requirement at the time was "the passport says it's a woman", and not serious bio testing.

 

[Soggust]

Athletes lose past medals all the time when proper new tests discover for example the presence of PEDs in the originals samples. If new tests would show Imane does not meet the woman requirement, it's reasonable to expect a loss of medal. the IOC requirement at the time was "the passport says it's a woman", and not serious bio testing.

But that's because they weren't competing within the confines of the rules, at the time. And conversely, rule changes are implemented all time that affect the game, records, etc with no retroactive modifications.

In this case, intersex people were competing in good faith under the rules at the time. If we want to modify them, fair game (although this article still doesn't define their intersex policy lol), but to compare it to finding someone cheating with PEDs is unfair imo.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

But that's because they weren't competing within the confines of the rules, at the time. And conversely, rule changes are implemented all time that affect the game, records, etc with no retroactive modifications.

In this case, intersex people were competing in good faith under the rules at the time. If we want to modify them, fair game (although this article still doesn't define their intersex policy lol), but to compare it to finding someone cheating with PEDs is unfair imo.

they were not competing under the rules, they were competing under NO rules, since the IOC was fighting with the boxing association that did the tests, that already banned imane before. and the ioc decided not to follow the rules and create this "if it says so on the passport" bit.

this isn't the place to collapse into the sophistry of weak arguments like "well if the IOC said so at the time...". yeah, when an institution isn't doing its job doesn't mean chaos is the law all of the sudden.

 

[Madmick]

Who is the arbiter of her sex?

This isn't a subjective matter. Only imbeciles yet still don't seem to comprehend this.

If it's her native country, she's lived as a female her whole life.

Identifying as a plant doesn't make someone a plant.

If it's what we think, then idk why you are referring to chromosomes because the USA definition of a female (written by Trump & Republicans) doesn't mention chromosomes once, so that test would not be applicable.

If it's what the IOC declares, then she was a female by the standards when she competed, therefore no one should have an issue with it even if she is declared ineligible going forward.

No, in fact, the IOC actively refused to publish any information demonstrating how they determined Khelif's biological sex throughout the Olympics. They stonewalled probing questions. This scandalous mishandling of the issue is what resulted in overwhelming international pressure forcing them to establish the new boxing ruling body. We went over this in detail at the time.

 

[Soggust]

they were not competing under the rules, they were competing under NO rules, since the IOC was fighting with the boxing association that did the tests, that already banned imane before. and the ioc decided not to follow the rules and create this "if it says so on the passport" bit.

this isn't the place to collapse into the sophistry of weak arguments like "well if the IOC said so at the time...". yeah, when an institution isn't doing its job doesn't mean chaos is the law all of the sudden.

When we added a 3-point line, modifed HR walls, changed swimsuit rules, etc. they didn't go back and modify records. When a league changes or even adds age requirements, they don't strip prior winners.

I respectfully disagree with the analogy you are making, but perhaps future readers will.

 

[Soggust]

This isn't a subjective matter. Only imbeciles yet still don't seem to comprehend this.

Not an answer with to you were basing your definition on, but okay

Identifying as a plant doesn't make someone a plant.

But if chromosomes don't define something as a plant, why base our argument around that?

And I'm truly not splitting hairs to find disagreement, because even if we say "fuck the semantics and bullshit, chromosomes define the large reproductive cell 99.999999^ebajillion%" - I do agree - BUT this exact case happens to be the 0.0000000000^forever1% percent, so our definition should be exact.

No, in fact, the IOC actively refused to publish any information demonstrating how they determined Khelif's biological sex throughout the Olympics. They stonewalled probing questions. This scandalous mishandling of the issue is what resulted in overwhelming international pressure forcing them to establish the new boxing ruling body. We went over this in detail at the time.

I'm not debating any of this, lol. My argument is that she acted in good faith (living as girl whole life - this wasn't Lia trying to make the varsity team) and shouldn't be punished by common opinion, even if they are ineligible going forward.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

When we added a 3-point line, modifed HR walls, changed swimsuit rules, etc. they didn't go back and modify records. When a league changes or even adds age requirements, they don't strip prior winners.

all the examples you gave are external to the athlete.
and the FACT that we DO go back and get medals back if an athlete is found, as i already said, having used peds if proof that in this case it might happen to, if the decision comes that indeed one needs to prove biological markers for past achievements.

this is actually the moderate, clear-headed, rational option.