Social The TERFS Won - The Olympics Set to Ban Transwomen from the Female Category

[Soggust]

all the examples you gave are external to the athlete.
and the FACT that we DO go back and get medals back if an athlete is found, as i already said, having used peds if proof that in this case it might happen to, if the decision comes that indeed one needs to prove biological markers for past achievements.

this is actually the moderate, clear-headed, rational option.

When WADA banned Meldonium in 2016, they didn't retroactively go back and punish prior users.

That's a fair analogy, maybe? It was chaos (unregulated) prior, then regulated after, and internal to the athlete (unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean there).

 

[drstrangelov]

Are the people pushing for this really Radical Feminists? They’re definitely trans exclusionary, but it seems more rooted in general anti-trans sentiment than hardcore feminist ideology.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

When WADA banned Meldonium in 2016, they didn't retroactively go back and punish prior users.

That's a fair analogy, maybe? It was chaos (unregulated) prior, then regulated after, and internal to the athlete (unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean there).

no, because it wasn't regulated before. in this case we have prior testing, and the IOC got bothered and decided not to apply the rules in this case. an equivalent example would have been if throughout history the IOC would have had the just show what's on the passport" rule, and THEN we had the biological markers test appear, and people would say hey remember that woman that totally looked like a dude?

 

[Madmick]

I'm not debating any of this, lol.

Concession accepted, then.

 

[J0N0]

lol.

So maybe try to think through what professional league would have men and women play together. How would define eligibility?

I mean, they DO have mixed doubles in tennis.

You don't need to define eligibility, everyone's eligible.
Don't leave me hanging man, just tell me

 

[Soggust]

Oh, I don't know what a woman is.

np homie I got you -> link

 

[kflo]

You don't need to define eligibility, everyone's eligible.
Don't leave me hanging man, just tell me

"everyone eligible" = men's league.

people want to watch women against women. to find out the best woman athlete, best woman's team, watch women compete against other women. why is this so foreign a concept to you?

it's not for everyone. but it's for enough, so it exists.

 

[J0N0]

"everyone eligible" = men's league.

people want to watch women against women. to find out the best woman athlete, best woman's team, watch women compete against other women. why is this so foreign a concept to you?

it's not for everyone. but it's for enough, so it exists.

You'd still know that if they were playing with the men. Like the 177,868th ranked golfer in the world would be the best female golfer, or whatever, right?

 

[Soggust]

no, because it wasn't regulated before. in this case we have prior testing, and the IOC got bothered and decided not to apply the rules in this case. an equivalent example would have been if throughout history the IOC would have had the
just show what's on the passport" rule, and THEN we had the biological markers test appear, and people would say hey remember that woman that totally looked like a dude?

I don't want to keep annoying you with rebuttals, because even though I still clearly disagree, I do see your train of thought.

But regardless of how it should be, I am curious what they actually do because even though I would instinctually think "of course not", given the precedence of Castor Semenya or whatever not being stripped - but sentiment is shifting in 2025-26, so who knows.

 

[kflo]

You'd still know that if they were playing with the men. Like the 177,868th ranked golfer in the world would be the best female golfer, or whatever, right?

what point do you think you're making? men are alot better athletes than women on average?

 

[J0N0]

what point do you think you're making? men are alot better athletes than women on average?

Absolutely no idea, that was days ago mate
Basically if the women are so bad at their sports that some random transexual can just waltz in and beat them, they're grifters making a living off doing something they're crap at anyway.

 

[Madmick]

they were not competing under the rules, they were competing under NO rules, since the IOC was fighting with the boxing association that did the tests, that already banned imane before. and the ioc decided not to follow the rules and create this "if it says so on the passport" bit.

this isn't the place to collapse into the sophistry of weak arguments like "well if the IOC said so at the time...". yeah, when an institution isn't doing its job doesn't mean chaos is the law all of the sudden.

He's an idiot, clearly. He's one of those people on the left that is rather inconvenient to the left when they pretend there aren't people populating their ranks who white knight transgender women in sports, and the notion that biological sex is subjectively flexible, LOL.

 

[Hog-train]

When we added a 3-point line, modifed HR walls, changed swimsuit rules, etc. they didn't go back and modify records. When a league changes or even adds age requirements, they don't strip prior winners.

I respectfully disagree with the analogy you are making, but perhaps future readers will.

It was in fact the IOC that changed the eligibility criteria last second to let Khelif compete.

The Olympic eligibility for each sport is decided by the international governing body for that sport. In Khelif's case, it was the IBA at the time.

The IBA was the one who said Khelif is not eligible at the World Championships the year prior. They then sent the IOC a letter stating Khelif's ineligibility.

What the IOC did was COMPLETELY IGNORE the governing body and let Khelif compete for POLITICAL TRANS REASONS.

The IOC ignored their own process for eligibility and let Khelif compete for politics. When asked about in at a press conference, the IOC head said "Well the passport says female."

Khelif should 100% be stripped of that gold.

 

[Soggust]

It was in fact the IOC that changed the eligibility criteria last second to let Khelif compete.

The Olympic eligibility for each sport is decided by the international governing body for that sport. In Khelif's case, it was the IBA at the time.

The IBA was the one who said Khelif is not eligible at the World Championships the year prior. They then sent the IOC a letter stating Khelif's ineligibility.

What the IOC did was COMPLETELY IGNORE the governing body and let Khelif compete for POLITICAL TRANS REASONS.

The IOC ignored their own process for eligibility and let Khelif compete for politics. When asked about in at a press conference, the IOC head said "Well the passport says female."

Khelif should 100% be stripped of that gold.

But if you're telling me that the IOC made that decision, and it wasn't some sneaky nefarious bribe by Khalif, then I don't understand punishing the person who competed within the accepted structure, at the time.

Hell, even if the IOC head was paid off by some corrupt liberal blah blah, like, unless she was directly involved, I don't understand what we are doing.

Fire the IOC president, change the rules, whatever. I think that's fair. But shitting on Imene Khalif for playing within the rules seems like misdirected hate towards someone who has lived their entire life as a woman imo.

 

[Hog-train]

But if you're telling me that the IOC made that decision, and it wasn't some sneaky nefarious bribe by Khalif, then I don't understand punishing the person who competed within the accepted structure, at the time.

Hell, even if the IOC head was paid off by some corrupt liberal blah blah, like, unless she was directly involved, I don't understand what we are doing.

Fire the IOC president, change the rules, whatever. I think that's fair. But shitting on Imene Khalif for playing within the rules seems like misdirected hate towards someone who has lived their entire life as a woman imo.

But that was NOT the accepted structure. The accepted structure was the GOVERNING BODY of each sport (World Aquatics for swimming, IBA for boxing, etc.) to decide eligibility and what athletes will compete from each country.

Each governing body is also responsible for testing for PED's, gender, etc.

The IBA deemed Khelif and another Taiwanese boxer to be CHEATING and they failed two tests each.

What the IOC did was go against their OWN PROCESS and just let a straight up man (not even a transwoman) compete due to political pressure from the blue haired trans retards.

That's fucking bullshit.

 

[Soggust]

But that was NOT the accepted structure. The accepted structure was the GOVERNING BODY of each sport (World Aquatics for swimming, IBA for boxing, etc.) to decide eligibility and what athletes will compete from each country.

This is our fundamental disagreement.

The IOC made the call at the end of the day. Regardless of whether they went against precedent, logic, grandma's will and regardless of whether you, me, the IBA, Jesus Christ, or whoever disagrees with that decision - they were the ones who were empowered to make the rules at the time.

Doesn't matter if those rules were shit or not, unless Imene was involved in some kind of corruption in making them, it feels inaccurate or unfair to label her a cheater, in my opinion.

 

[kflo]

Absolutely no idea, that was days ago mate
Basically if the women are so bad at their sports that some random transexual can just waltz in and beat them, they're grifters making a living off doing something they're crap at anyway.

What “random transsexual” are you talking about.

Again, men are better athletes than women. Some people like to watch the best female athletes anyway. You don’t know what “grift” means.

They compete. People pay to watch. Pretty simple. The concept seems to offend you.

 

[nonoob]

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Social Thread 'Turns out Imane Khelif Really Was a Man'

Jun 2, 2025

For months, all the mainstream media outlets were claiming this was straight bigotry and that Imane Khelif was being railroaded by the corrupt Russian led boxing organization. Because Khelif beat a Russian boxer in the World Championships.

That Khelif was a female being maligned by bigots. That this was Russian propaganda. Well it turns out she was actually male. AND the now British based World Boxing which now runs Olympic boxing requires genetic gender testing.

I predict most mainstream media outlets are not going to touch this story.

Olympic boxing champ Imane Khelif...

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I understand segregating amateur sports, as it's good that everyone gets to play - But segregating professional sports is ridiculous.

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Give me one good reason why professional golf should be segregated?

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There won't be any competitive contest between a male and a female in any athletic competition at a high level. That's why. It's like the entire reason women's sports were created. Your average beer league Basketball team would crush the WNBA all stars.

WOMEN'S NBA Star Brittney Grinder can stand side by side with most dudes ( at the average beer league Basketball team's Urinals ) and be compeitive in both length and girth.

 

[Hog-train]

This is our fundamental disagreement.

The IOC made the call at the end of the day. Regardless of whether they went against precedent, logic, grandma's will and regardless of whether you, me, the IBA, Jesus Christ, or whoever disagrees with that decision - they were the ones who were empowered to make the rules at the time.

Doesn't matter if those rules were shit or not, unless Imene was involved in some kind of corruption in making them, it feels inaccurate or unfair to label her a cheater, in my opinion.

That's like saying it was legal to own slaves or it was legal to beat your wife 50 years ago, so it's ok.

"Well it was legal so.."

 

[Soggust]

That's like saying it was legal to own slaves or it was legal to beat your wife 50 years ago, so it's ok.

"Well it was legal so.."

lol prolly a big gap in analogies between owning slaves, beating your wife, and allowing someone who has tits and a vagina into the female division bc we found out she might have internal testes, but even in those examples - I'm not sure there was retroactive prosecution, right?

Wouldn't your position be akin to claiming that we should scrap Keving Garnett and Kobe's records because they were only 17 when they were drafted and the league now requires a player to be 19 with a year removed from HS? No, because they were eligible at the time, right?

I don't agree with the 19 + one year removed rule. I will argue till the cows come home that an 18-year-old adult should be eligible to work like other humans blah blah, but I don't make the rules.