Trump's Speech to Congress

[Buck Swope]

I don't read politifact so I don't know, just saying you should probably use a more reputable source in the future

This pretty much sums up your shitty posting. "Didn't read it but I know it's shit".

 

[Slippery Kantus]

Post one place he has lied.

I'm at work and will not be spending any of my own time looking through his 50,000+ posts to please you.

Maybe @KONE could provide you with an example?

 

[m52nickerson]

I'm at work and will not be spending any of my own time looking through his 50,000+ posts to please you.

Maybe @KONE could provide you with an example?

Okay, second tip of the day. Don't make claims you are not going to back up.

 

[KONE]

No children inside, meaning the Pizzagate angle was BS.

No, that's not what it means by any stretch of the imagination.

Jack said that guy concluded the conspiracy was bullshit. By that guys own words, he did not conclude the conspiracy was bullshit. He did not dismiss the claims and is still open to the possibility that it's real. He just saw no children inside when he walked in that one time. This is not the most complicated thing in the world.

"The New York Times reported American intelligence agencies have "high confidence" that Russia intervened in the later stages of the 2016 election to help Trump win the presidency. Senior administration officials said the Russian government gave WikiLeaks emails from the Democratic National Committee and from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. The agencies also found evidence that Russia hacked the Republican National Committee's computer systems, but did not release the information."

"but did not release the information"

AKA - the evidence and proof. So that article didn't have any proof in it. Lmao.

Right before that clip starts Mir had been face down, Sylvia was getting up.

But that's not what you said. You said he was just about to stand up when his arm broke. He was still on a knee when his arm broke, then after it broke tried to pick him up and slam him. What you're referencing was when Sylvia was ACTUALLY almost slipping out, but then Mir re-adjusted, locked it in deeper and accordingly broke his arm.

Yes, the cup acted as a fulcrum, but that does not address the point that an armbar when locked in will use the cup, or crotch, as a fulcrum to put pressure on the elbow, not the forearm. Still impressive what Mir did, but it was not a perfect armbar.

He broke his forearm while putting pressure on his forearm. There's nothing remotely fluke-y about putting pressure on someones forearm and breaking his arm. Sylvia was not almost "slipping out" he was trapped. This legitimately isn't even up for debate.

 

[Rational Poster]

No, that's not what it means by any stretch of the imagination.

Jack said that guy concluded the conspiracy was bullshit. By that guys own words, he did not conclude the conspiracy was bullshit. He did not dismiss the claims and is still open to the possibility that it's real. He just saw no children inside when he walked in that one time. This is not the most complicated thing in the world.



"but did not release the information"

AKA - the evidence and proof. So that article didn't have any proof in it. Lmao.



But that's not what you said. You said he was just about to stand up when his arm broke. He was still on a knee when his arm broke, then after it broke tried to pick him up and slam him. What you're referencing was when Sylvia was ACTUALLY almost slipping out, but then Mir re-adjusted, locked it in deeper and accordingly broke his arm.



He broke his forearm while putting pressure on his forearm. There's nothing remotely fluke-y about putting pressure on someones forearm and breaking his arm. Sylvia was not almost "slipping out" he was trapped. This legitimately isn't even up for debate.

Actually, no data needs to be released for the FBI, NSA, or CIA to come to that conclusion.

They're monitoring the traffic, origin, and methods. That's the proof.

 

[m52nickerson]

No, that's not what it means by any stretch of the imagination.

Jack said that guy concluded the conspiracy was bullshit. By that guys own words, he did not conclude the conspiracy was bullshit. He did not dismiss the claims and is still open to the possibility that it's real. He just saw no children inside when he walked in that one time. This is not the most complicated thing in the world.

The CT centered around this Pizza place, not some nebulous "She could still be involved in a child sex scandal." You are trying so hard to so Jack being dishonest it's funny.

"but did not release the information"

AKA - the evidence and proof. So that article didn't have any proof in it. Lmao.

Technically you are right the proof was not in the article, the article just talks about the proof. For calling someone a lair as much as you do for Jack you should be able to do better.

But that's not what you said. You said he was just about to stand up when his arm broke. He was still on a knee when his arm broke, then after it broke tried to pick him up and slam him. What you're referencing was when Sylvia was ACTUALLY almost slipping out, but then Mir re-adjusted, locked it in deeper and accordingly broke his arm.

He broke his forearm while putting pressure on his forearm. There's nothing remotely fluke-y about putting pressure on someones forearm and breaking his arm. Sylvia was not almost "slipping out" he was trapped. This legitimately isn't even up for debate.

You do understand that if you are in a face down position, or close two, normally you would get to you knees before going to you feet, right? I said he was starting to stand up. So no I was not talking about after the arm broke. Also Mir did not lock in the hold deeper, he applied more pressure, which broke Sylvia's arm. Again you seem to not understand that the whole fact that Sylvia's forearm was broke is proof that Mir did not have the armbar locked in all the way. Had he Sylvia's elbow would have snapped not his forearm.

Why Mir fans get so defensive about this is ridiculous. It was still a great submission, and one of the most brutal ones of all times. It simply was not technically perfect.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Why Mir fans get so defensive about this is ridiculous. It was still a great submission, and one of the most brutal ones of all times. It simply was not technically perfect.

Hard to follow this one on only one side, but generally, Mir has a really odd group of fans. Not just KONE. Another poster here was mad at me for underrating Mir and he said that Mir was the No. 2 HW of all-time. And he was serious! Like, WTF? He was pretty good for an unusually long time, but I do not get why he has so many fanatical fans. I can't think of anyone else on his level that inspires that kind of rabid fandom. Maybe Bisping? It also, oddly, seems to come primarily from right-wingers.

 

[m52nickerson]

Hard to follow this one on only one side, but generally, Mir has a really odd group of fans. Not just KONE. Another poster here was mad at me for underrating Mir and he said that Mir was the No. 2 HW of all-time. And he was serious! Like, WTF? He was pretty good for an unusually long time, but I do not get why he has so many fanatical fans. I can't think of anyone else on his level that inspires that kind of rabid fandom. Maybe Bisping?

It was disappointing that Mir got into that motorcycle accident. It would have been interesting to see what he would have done without having to come back and losing that time. He is still a MMA legend, but not the #2 heavy of all time.

 

[fuzzy]

And this ninja wants to tell us that he wasn't mad about the election.

LMFAO what a tool

 

[KONE]

The CT centered around this Pizza place, not some nebulous "She could still be involved in a child sex scandal." You are trying so hard to so Jack being dishonest it's funny.

What on Earth are you talking about? That's not what he said at all.

Jack said that guy concluded the conspiracy theory was bullshit. He did no such thing. He said there were no children in there at the time he walked in, which with a little critical thinking wouldn't be surprising if PizzaGate was a real thing, since why the fuck would they continue doing that after it blew up anyway?

You can't conclude a CT as bullshit and then ADMITTEDLY not dismiss the claims of it. It's not out of the realm of possibility for him to think PizzaGate is real. Hence, he didn't conclude it was bullshit. So Jack lied.

Technically you are right the proof was not in the article, the article just talks about the proof. For calling someone a lair as much as you do for Jack you should be able to do better.

So Jack lied, thank you

You do understand that if you are in a face down position, or close two, normally you would get to you knees before going to you feet, right? I said he was starting to stand up. So no I was not talking about after the arm broke. Also Mir did not lock in the hold deeper, he applied more pressure, which broke Sylvia's arm. Again you seem to not understand that the whole fact that Sylvia's forearm was broke is proof that Mir did not have the armbar locked in all the way. Had he Sylvia's elbow would have snapped not his forearm.

Why Mir fans get so defensive about this is ridiculous. It was still a great submission, and one of the most brutal ones of all times. It simply was not technically perfect.

What I understand is that you absolutely lied and said he was "starting to stand up when his arm broke" when he was still down on the ground. When I pointed out that you lied since Jack's pathological lying is rubbing off on you, you quickly changed to "Right before that clip starts Mir had been face down, Sylvia was getting up."

You're also confusing "perfect" with "common." It doesn't happen often, but when you have someones elbow in your crotch and you yank on their arm in the opposite direction, it puts pressure on the forearm and it can accordingly break. Just because it's not a common occurrence doesn't mean it was lucky or that Sylvia was "slipping out." Mir has a lot of somewhat bizarre but devastating submissions that are incredibly rare. That doesn't make him lucky, it makes him unique. Jack, much like yourself, also confused the two instances of when Sylvia was legitimately slipping out and when Mir re-adjusted and locked in the submission. Sylvia wasn't slipping out, and it wasn't luck. It's really that simple.

 

[KONE]

Actually, no data needs to be released for the FBI, NSA, or CIA to come to that conclusion.

They're monitoring the traffic, origin, and methods. That's the proof.

Oh ok. So you just have faith that they must be telling the truth, because why would a group like the CIA ever lie?

 

[Jack V Savage]

It was disappointing that Mir got into that motorcycle accident. It would have been interesting to see what he would have done without having to come back and losing that time. He is still a MMA legend, but not the #2 heavy of all time.

Remember that it was just a couple of years before that that he was brutalized by Ian Freeman, and he hadn't gone on an impressive run after that. He did look like a good prospect, but the title shot against Sylvia was not really deserved (sub) and the win was fluky. The injury was horrific, though, and the comeback (to higher levels than he'd been established at before the injury) was inspiring. I don't see any way to fit him in the top 10 in the division, though he's kind of a legend in the sense that Leben, Griffin and Bisping are.

 

[ripskater]

Trump gave a nice speech. I guess the witches didn't do very well casting their spells.

 

[m52nickerson]

What on Earth are you talking about? That's not what he said at all.

Jack said that guy concluded the conspiracy theory was bullshit. He did no such thing. He said there were no children in there at the time he walked in, which with a little critical thinking wouldn't be surprising if PizzaGate was a real thing, since why the fuck would they continue doing that after it blew up anyway?

You can't conclude a CT as bullshit and then ADMITTEDLY not dismiss the claims of it. It's not out of the realm of possibility for him to think PizzaGate is real. Hence, he didn't conclude it was bullshit. So Jack lied.

You obviously don't' even understand what the conspiracy was about, a large part of it was that Pizza Shop and it holding child sex slaves. The guy did say that Clinton maybe tied up in a child sex ring, but that does not mean he still believed Pizza gate since he also stated that his the reason he went the the Pizza shopped armed was to rescue the kids.

So Jack lied, thank you

No, he was technically incorrect. The article did talk about the evidence however. Really a distinction without much difference. You are simply desperate.

What I understand is that you absolutely lied and said he was "starting to stand up when his arm broke" when he was still down on the ground. When I pointed out that you lied since Jack's pathological lying is rubbing off on you, you quickly changed to "Right before that clip starts Mir had been face down, Sylvia was getting up."

You're also confusing "perfect" with "common." It doesn't happen often, but when you have someones elbow in your crotch and you yank on their arm in the opposite direction, it puts pressure on the forearm and it can accordingly break. Just because it's not a common occurrence doesn't mean it was lucky or that Sylvia was "slipping out." Mir has a lot of somewhat bizarre but devastating submissions that are incredibly rare. That doesn't make him lucky, it makes him unique. Jack, much like yourself, also confused the two instances of when Sylvia was legitimately slipping out and when Mir re-adjusted and locked in the submission. Sylvia wasn't slipping out, and it wasn't luck. It's really that simple.

"Starting to stand up" and "getting up" are the same damn thing. You are so desperate to prove yourself right you are willing to call an argument stated in a different way a lie. Oh, someone is being dishonest here, and it is not me.

Did I say it was lucky on Mir's part, no. So stop trying to build a strawman. If you are putting pressure on someone's elbow it is going to break far more often then the forearm. The elbow is far weaker. The thing is Mir was not putting pressure on the elbow. You even stated this, saying his cup was the focrum putting pressure on the forearm. Mir did not have the armbar full locked in, he did have enough power to break the forearm and win the match, which is still impressive. Really, stop the Mir fanboy but hurt.

 

[m52nickerson]

Remember that it was just a couple of years before that that he was brutalized by Ian Freeman, and he hadn't gone on an impressive run after that. He did look like a good prospect, but the title shot against Sylvia was not really deserved (sub) and the win was fluky. The injury was horrific, though, and the comeback (to higher levels than he'd been established at before the injury) was inspiring. I don't see any way to fit him in the top 10 in the division, though he's kind of a legend in the sense that Leben, Griffin and Bisping are.

I would not call the Sylvia win a fluke. He had the position and enough power to snap his arm. As for the Freeman loss. Mir has always had problems with boxers.

 

[KONE]

You obviously don't' even understand what the conspiracy was about, a large part of it was that Pizza Shop and it holding child sex slaves. The guy did say that Clinton maybe tied up in a child sex ring, but that does not mean he still believed Pizza gate since he also stated that his the reason he went the the Pizza shopped armed was to rescue the kids.

You're genuinely retarded.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...y-gunman-i-regret-how-i-handled-the-situation

“He most likely really believes the conspiracy theory,” said Kathy Sue Holtorf, who lives in California and works as a film producer. “He’s a good guy with the best of intentions. He probably saw himself as more on a hero mission to save children than anything else.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/...izza-fake-news.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children “inside that dwelling.”

However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles


"The online articles" AKA, the PizzaGate conspiracy articles. If you refuse to DISMISS THE CLAIMS IN THE ONLINE ARTICLES, you do not conclude the conspiracy was bullshit. Thanks for trying, dumbshit.

No, he was technically incorrect. The article did talk about the evidence however. Really a distinction without much difference. You are simply desperate

lol no, he lied. Throughout that entire thread he said the OP link was proof of the Russia hack, it wasn't proof. When upwards of 5 people pointed it out to him that it wasn't proof and it wasn't remotely concluded, he stopped replying. Because he lied.

"Starting to stand up" and "getting up" are the same damn thing. You are so desperate to prove yourself right you are willing to call an argument stated in a different way a lie. Oh, someone is being dishonest here, and it is not me.

Says the person who lied and changed his story when called out on it

Did I say it was lucky on Mir's part, no. So stop trying to build a strawman. If you are putting pressure on someone's elbow it is going to break far more often then the forearm. The elbow is far weaker. The thing is Mir was not putting pressure on the elbow. You even stated this, saying his cup was the focrum putting pressure on the forearm. Mir did not have the armbar full locked in, he did have enough power to break the forearm and win the match, which is still impressive. Really, stop the Mir fanboy but hurt.

You seem to be confused. The original point is that JACK said it was lucky and Sylvia was slipping out. Sylvia wasn't slipping out. Mir had his arm locked in and broke it. Jack lied by saying he was slipping out.

This has nothing to do specifically with me liking Mir either, it's just a coincidence that Mir was one of the few fighters he egregiously lied about constantly. Because he's a pathological liar. Jack also lied and said PizzaGate started as a "joke on 4chan" that unexpectedly took off btw. So that's another lie I forgot to mention.

 

[KONE]

I would not call the Sylvia win a fluke. He had the position and enough power to snap his arm. As for the Freeman loss. Mir has always had problems with boxers.

Ian Freeman loss had nothing to do with boxing lol

You're also agreeing with me that "Mir had the position and enough power to snap his arm" and that it wasn't a fluke, which is the polar opposite of what Jack has said. What the actual fuck are you doing.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I would not call the Sylvia win a fluke. He had the position and enough power to snap his arm. As for the Freeman loss. Mir has always had problems with boxers.

I would call it a fluke, but it might be kind of a philosophical debate. Would you call Bisping's win over Rockhold a fluke? I would. He was in position to land the shot that initially hurt him, and he landed it with authority, and followed up well, etc. It wasn't like Rockhold had a heart attack in there. But clearly, the two guys' history didn't suggest it was a likely outcome (and the betting odds reflected that), and I would confidently bet on Rockhold at even odds in a rubber match, and I'd especially not predict the same outcome. If Bisping had played his usual game, and outlanded Rockhold over five rounds, I wouldn't call that a fluke.

Mir *beating* Sylvia was less of a fluke than Bisping beating Rockhold, but the specific outcome would be even less likely to happen again if they had a rematch shortly after (and no accident). No one watching tape of the two guys would have thought that Mir was likely to win by snapping Sylvia's forearm, but MMA is chaotic.

 

[m52nickerson]

You're genuinely retarded.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...y-gunman-i-regret-how-i-handled-the-situation

“He most likely really believes the conspiracy theory,” said Kathy Sue Holtorf, who lives in California and works as a film producer. “He’s a good guy with the best of intentions. He probably saw himself as more on a hero mission to save children than anything else.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/...izza-fake-news.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children “inside that dwelling.”

However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles


"The online articles" AKA, the PizzaGate conspiracy articles. If you refuse to DISMISS THE CLAIMS IN THE ONLINE ARTICLES, you do not conclude the conspiracy was bullshit. Thanks for trying, dumbshit.

He went there to rescue the children, that did not exist. Keep trying to spin it, perhaps at some point ti will take off.

lol no, he lied. Throughout that entire thread he said the OP link was proof of the Russia hack, it wasn't proof. When upwards of 5 people pointed it out to him that it wasn't proof and it wasn't remotely concluded, he stopped replying. Because he lied.

5 people, like the 5 same people that always attack him? Please try something else this is sad.

Says the person who lied and changed his story when called out on it


You seem to be confused. The original point is that JACK said it was lucky and Sylvia was slipping out. Sylvia wasn't slipping out. Mir had his arm locked in and broke it. Jack lied by saying he was slipping out.

This has nothing to do specifically with me liking Mir either, it's just a coincidence that Mir was one of the few fighters he egregiously lied about constantly. Because he's a pathological liar. Jack also lied and said PizzaGate started as a "joke on 4chan" that unexpectedly took off btw. So that's another lie I forgot to mention.

Jack thinking Mir got lucky is not something I agree with him, but that is his opinion and not a lie.

For someone you call a philological lair you attempts at showing that are pretty sad.

 

[KONE]

He went there to rescue the children, that did not exist. Keep trying to spin it, perhaps at some point ti will take off.

Correct. There were no children when he went in there in that one particular instance. However, Jack said he concluded the conspiracy theory was bullshit. He did not conclude the conspiracy theory was bullshit, as he refused to dismiss the claims of the conspiracy.

5 people, like the 5 same people that always attack him? Please try something else this is sad.

Tell him to stop lying about literally everything and they will

Jack thinking Mir got lucky is not something I agree with him, but that is his opinion and not a lie.

For someone you call a philological lair you attempts at showing that are pretty sad.

"Sylvia was slipping out" has no basis in reality. It was a lie. Saying PizzaGate started as a joke that unexpectedly took off was also a lie. I just gave you 4 examples of him lying, and you only asked for one.

 

[Jack V Savage]

He went there to rescue the children, that did not exist. Keep trying to spin it, perhaps at some point ti will take off.

This is about the Pizza thing, no? The guy went there to check it out and didn't see what he expected. That he might still be a nutter on the issue is irrelevant to the point that his *first hand* knowledge shows that it was bullshit.