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Friday will be interesting. Trump lawyers have to say yeah or nay to documents being planted.
IT is one thing to tell your buddy, Hannity as he is lobbing softball questions at you, that the FBI planted documents. It is a whole nother ballgame to say that in court with no proof.
Even Lady Kraken would not be dumb enough to say documents were planted.
Here is the crazy part, is Trump will be still saying they were planted even after his attorneys are like" Naw, Special Masters the FBI did not plant shit" "My client know his biggest supporters will buy any bullshit he says, much like the election fraud BS, so to get them to hate the police, he told them documents were planted so when he finally goes to jail, he can claim witch hunt for the ten thousandth time."
 
That is not a goal post move, not even a little bit.

The DOj had all sorts of statutes they could have cited re the removal of Classified material, storage, etc, that would be an additional offense and potential charge and they did not include any of them as they anticipated the 'I declassified them' defense, and even though that defense would lose, they did not need the hassle at this point of the delays of litigating that.

Instead they only cited laws and offenses re storage of 'official gov't documents' which all declassified doc's remain and are illegal to take outside the gov'ts control.


That has ALWAYS been the only charge here no matter how much forum dwellers like discussing the much worse Classified material threat, issues.
That was the basis for seizing the records. That doesn’t preclude them from bringing other charges based on what they find.
 
lol.

you're in the "he declassified with his mind" camp?

again, there's no indication he declassified anything, his team, when pressed, chose not to present any evidence he did so. AND, as indicated, it doesn't change whether he's allowed to keep the records. and there would be no way for NARA or the DOJ or any agency to know he declassified anything without any evidence he did so. oh, and when you declassify, it goes into public record.......via NARA.......

and of course, you thought that trump could just claim the classified records were PRIVATE, because clinton designated records that were never classified as private. are you still confused on this point? (It’s you changing the narrative as the walls close in)……
It is truly amazing the extent of TDS that is required for people like @lilelvis to spin and try to change the goal posts for Trump on this.

Trump was the one who tightened the laws around the handling Classified materials. Trump has countless speeches were he is very vocal about needing to jail and punish anyone who abuses classified documents and does not follow the procedures and laws.

The magamuppets cheer Trump with zeal over these new laws and punishments until....

Until the day Trump breaks his own laws and then suddenly they go into full defense mode because Dear Leader simply cannot screw up. Not in a way they would ever admit. Dear Leader is perfect or they must believe him to be.


How can they not understand that if Trump declassifies stuff simply with his mind or taking it home and does not tell anyone else, every one that is exposed in that declassification is at risk? Real people in Russia or N.Korea that would be exposed and killed. That because Trump only has one copy, then no one knows the other copies and original are also declassified, and as such a person who removes them later could be prosecuted for handling material Trump declassified because no one knows it was declassified.

Also what if Trump declassified some with his mind when he took them home but reclassified some with his mind, but not all when he brought them back.

All this magamuppets must accept as normal and acceptable to protect Dear Leader, and they accuse others of having the TDS.
 
That was the basis for seizing the records. That doesn’t preclude them from bringing other charges based on what they find.
Correct.

And that is why the old crusty, by rules Federal Judge, Trump's team picked as Special Master, is painting Trump in to a corner as he sees the nonsense game Trump is trying to always play.


He has demanded Trump himself stipulate via sworn affidavit if anything was declassified or not, to end this game of Trump saying it was done on TV but his lawyers dancing around it in court.

If Trump swears a statement that does not say he declassified them, then DOJ can immediately move to adding to their future Indictment list his admission, in this Special Master filing, that they were not declassified. It saves them having to litigate that issue, which they would win but would take more time.

The Special Master really has made a strong checkmate on Trump's team as they must reply and either they say officially he did declassify them or that is an acknowledgement they did not.

The belief is, that Trumps team will have no choice but to ask to withdraw from the Special Master process and just allow the DOJ without any such oversight.
 
Friday will be interesting. Trump lawyers have to say yeah or nay to documents being planted.
IT is one thing to tell your buddy, Hannity as he is lobbing softball questions at you, that the FBI planted documents. It is a whole nother ballgame to say that in court with no proof.
Even Lady Kraken would not be dumb enough to say documents were planted.
Here is the crazy part, is Trump will be still saying they were planted even after his attorneys are like" Naw, Special Masters the FBI did not plant shit" "My client know his biggest supporters will buy any bullshit he says, much like the election fraud BS, so to get them to hate the police, he told them documents were planted so when he finally goes to jail, he can claim witch hunt for the ten thousandth time."
it is a true checkmate moment being forced on Trump by the crusty old, near retired Federal judge as per my post above. "on the record yah or nay to docs planted', on the record 'yah or nay to Declassified or not'.

Two questions Trump could avoided ever answering directly, and continued to spin in the news, had he not asked for a Special Master who is now compelling those answers in a way Trump can only avoid by withdrawing from the entire process.

That willy old Judge (Special Master) has no patience for Trump games and nonsense.
 

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I don’t think that lawyer was lying. He worked for a corporation ‘The office of DJ Trump’ or something like that.. The subpoena was served to them and they didn’t have dominion over the doc’s at Mar a Lago.. not sure how it effects the case.
I might expect it to have occurred to you that I could be unaware of that assertion given my wording, "a lawyer for Trump", except that I have seen how self-absorbed your posts are.

Can you provide a source for this?



Now, can you tell me how it's relevant to the main point of my post as opposed to your comment being an obvious snipe at a minor addition to the whole which could be deleted without changing the post's meaning?
 
lol.

you're in the "he declassified with his mind" camp?

again, there's no indication he declassified anything, his team, when pressed, chose not to present any evidence he did so. AND, as indicated, it doesn't change whether he's allowed to keep the records. and there would be no way for NARA or the DOJ or any agency to know he declassified anything without any evidence he did so. oh, and when you declassify, it goes into public record.......via NARA.......

and of course, you thought that trump could just claim the classified records were PRIVATE, because clinton designated records that were never classified as private. are you still confused on this point? (It’s you changing the narrative as the walls close in)……


not only that but he couldnt even find a single lawyer or anybody down the chain of command willing to swear off on that kind of argument to his very own special master he fought for and personally selected, upon request for any evidence at all that would suggest that any of the classified documents that were recovered had actually been declassified. he cant seem to find anybody who is willing to make that as a legal argument for him, and swear to it just to help his own cause. it clearly never happened, and the DOJ will surely hang him out to dry if he tries to make that kind of jedi mind tricks legal defense without having any evidence or testimony from anyone indicating that he declassified all of those materials.

you see, the thing is that if they find documents that are clearly marked as classified, they are lawfully going to treat those documents as still being classified until somebody down the chain of command with the proper clearance comes along and can prove that they had actually been declassified. poor donnie though, nobody is going to bat for him when it matters. nobody wants to do the right thing. the whole world is out to get him! brb gotta declassify something in my head.

there we go, thats better. anyways yeah, saying youre the president of the united states and can do whatever you want sounds cool to the chuds when tucker and the gang tell them that outside of a courtroom in order to downplay their orange messiah's criminal actions. unfortunately that kind of argument won't hold water in a court of law.

you see, they found classified documents inside of his house. property that belonged to the government. property he was not allowed to possess. property he refused to return, and even lied to the feds about having on premesis. they were clearly classified. if Mr. If You Plead The Fifth You're Guilty even tries to make the argument that those documents had actually been declassified, the first thing they are going to demand is to show evidence of his claims.

and you see, donald trump for some reason has a problem bringing evidence with him into a courtroom to support any of the outrageous claims he makes to the public all over social media, which are surely not just a bunch more of his lies and bullshit as usual. and after he gets indicted, if he tries to make this kind of legal argument in his defense that those classified documents had actually been declassified and this was all just some kind of misunderstanding, he's going to have to show proof and have people testify for him on the stand to actually support that. he doesnt have anybody willing to put their necks on the line now when its only going to save his own bacon. he's going to be proper fucked after he gets indicted if he still has nothing to show on that matter.

without getting hung out to dry and losing his criminal case in just one afternoon, he won't be able to say "Sorry, i forgot to bring all the evidence of declassification with me. I'll bring it next week after i'm done releasing my health care plan, tax returns, and evidence of election fraud. i swear this time. i mean it. pinky promise! you see your honor, the evidence of declassification has been coming in so fast that we can hardly keep up. my crackhead pillow selling buddy still needs to finish going through all of it. now lets move on to hunters laptop and hillaries emails. we'll talk about the rest of this matter later. "

saying you could have declassified the documents just because you had the authority to do so at one time does not at all indicate that you had ever gone ahead and actually declassified any of that material that they found inside of your residence that was marked as classified.

its like saying i can shit my pants right now at this very moment just by thinking about it, because i just ate taco bell and i can shit myself any time and anywhere that i want to because i'm simply just the perfect specimen of health and i'll take a shit wherever i want. sure, perhaps i could very well shit my pants just by thinking about it , but that doesnt help me make the case at all that i actually did it. especially after the feds raid me a few seconds after. i would have an impossible time convincing anybody, let alone a judge or jury that i had actually shit my pants after the underwear they recovered is as clean and fresh as a whistle and there is no trace of evidence around me to indicate feces, and nobody else around me is willing to put themselves on the stand on my defense, or even make a sworn statement to even suggest that they had ever even heard or smelled so much as even a fart coming out of me.

i mean it sounds cool outside of a courtroom. unfortunately for the one-term sperm, talking about waving a magic wand and using jedi mind tricks isnt going to slide very well in a courtroom environment, and if his lawyers are somehow dumb enough to try to rely on something that absurd as their clients defense, it won't take very long for the judge or jury to simply just wave their magic wands and convict their client just by simply thinking about it.
 
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It is truly amazing the extent of TDS that is required for people like @lilelvis to spin and try to change the goal posts for Trump on this.

Trump was the one who tightened the laws around the handling Classified materials. Trump has countless speeches were he is very vocal about needing to jail and punish anyone who abuses classified documents and does not follow the procedures and laws.

The magamuppets cheer Trump with zeal over these new laws and punishments until....

Until the day Trump breaks his own laws and then suddenly they go into full defense mode because Dear Leader simply cannot screw up. Not in a way they would ever admit. Dear Leader is perfect or they must believe him to be.


How can they not understand that if Trump declassifies stuff simply with his mind or taking it home and does not tell anyone else, every one that is exposed in that declassification is at risk? Real people in Russia or N.Korea that would be exposed and killed. That because Trump only has one copy, then no one knows the other copies and original are also declassified, and as such a person who removes them later could be prosecuted for handling material Trump declassified because no one knows it was declassified.

Also what if Trump declassified some with his mind when he took them home but reclassified some with his mind, but not all when he brought them back.

All this magamuppets must accept as normal and acceptable to protect Dear Leader, and they accuse others of having the TDS.
What new laws? Post them, please...

I'm pretty sure this EO by Obama is the standing precedent: https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html
 
I might expect it to have occurred to you that I could be unaware of that assertion given my wording, "a lawyer for Trump", except that I have seen how self-absorbed your posts are.

Can you provide a source for this?



Now, can you tell me how it's relevant to the main point of my post as opposed to your comment being an obvious snipe at a minor addition to the whole which could be deleted without changing the post's meaning?
"Self absorbed" LOL... Just correcting the record, Andy. It was a friendly post, no ad-hom runs at you. You are way to sensitive about this issue.
If I were out to attack with the bloodlust y'all display for Trump, I'd want my arguments straight.
I posted a 2017 article from Time magazine about the classification process with no opinion given and you act like i fucked your sister.. If you are so confident in your position why would you be so offended by a news article that offers a scholarly view point of the classification process from a (mmm-mmm) reputable source?

And... You are correct, it doesn't change the point of your post, it only illuminates the cavalier style.
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it is a true checkmate moment being forced on Trump by the crusty old, near retired Federal judge as per my post above. "on the record yah or nay to docs planted', on the record 'yah or nay to Declassified or not'.

Two questions Trump could avoided ever answering directly, and continued to spin in the news, had he not asked for a Special Master who is now compelling those answers in a way Trump can only avoid by withdrawing from the entire process.

That willy old Judge (Special Master) has no patience for Trump games and nonsense.

trump's a master strategist. while the rest of us are putting our pants on one leg at a time, mystic trump is playing 7D chess and winning tournaments just by thinking about it.

he's got superpowers that the rest of us peons simply do not possess. he can secretly declassify material inside of his head. he can change the path of hurricanes with the wave of a sharpie. he's even pretty good at making money disappear!
 
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That is not a goal post move, not even a little bit.

The DOj had all sorts of statutes they could have cited re the removal of Classified material, storage, etc, that would be an additional offense and potential charge and they did not include any of them as they anticipated the 'I declassified them' defense, and even though that defense would lose, they did not need the hassle at this point of the delays of litigating that.

Instead they only cited laws and offenses re storage of 'official gov't documents' which all declassified doc's remain and are illegal to take outside the gov'ts control.


That has ALWAYS been the only charge here no matter how much forum dwellers like discussing the much worse Classified material threat, issues.
I don't blame you for not having read the entire thread.. I wasn't referring to the DOJ's position..
 
lol.

you're in the "he declassified with his mind" camp?

again, there's no indication he declassified anything, his team, when pressed, chose not to present any evidence he did so. AND, as indicated, it doesn't change whether he's allowed to keep the records. and there would be no way for NARA or the DOJ or any agency to know he declassified anything without any evidence he did so. oh, and when you declassify, it goes into public record.......via NARA.......

and of course, you thought that trump could just claim the classified records were PRIVATE, because clinton designated records that were never classified as private. are you still confused on this point? (It’s you changing the narrative as the walls close in)……
Whew!
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What new laws? Post them, please...

I'm pretty sure this EO by Obama is the standing precedent: https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html
As president, Trump approved a law increasing penalties for mishandling classified info. It could come back to bite him.

  • Donald Trump in 2018 signed a sweeping national security bill into law.
  • The bill increased punishments for those who mishandle classified information.
  • The measure is of note after the Mar-a-Lago raid, thought to be connected to government documents.


<TheDonald>
 
As president, Trump approved a law increasing penalties for mishandling classified info. It could come back to bite him.




    • Donald Trump in 2018 signed a sweeping national security bill into law.
    • The bill increased punishments for those who mishandle classified information.
    • The measure is of note after the Mar-a-Lago raid, thought to be connected to government documents.

<TheDonald>
Y'all may be right.. This doesn't change the precedence of originating authority, though. Given the way the Obama EO reads and the judges decision (although somewhat differing circumstances) in the Judicial Watch case, plus archive precedent from history, I think it's a touch-n-go case.

edit: LOL
 

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