Trump's Ed. Pick with No Teaching or Admistrative Experience

[gespenst]

TBR, we're talking about the educational quality of Detroit, i mean come on.

I actually read the article some dumbass above quoted. The article headline is "DeVos' Michigan schools experiment gets poor grades".

I'll help readers and translate this -- the experiment led by Devos failed and her schools suck.

The body says: "Despite two decades of charter-school growth, the state’s overall academic progress has failed to keep pace with other states."

Translating -- overall state performance, including both numerous public and smaller number of charters is poor, compared to other not named states.

Then it proceeds: "DeVos supporters point to a 2013 Stanford study that found that Michigan charter-school students are learning at a faster rate in reading and math than their public-school peers".

No need translating this, but to reiterate, her experiment, according to Stanford study, was a success as her charter school students performed better than students of Michigan public schools.

End of story.

 

[phipps66]

If true, we need to get rid of it. The dept of education has a lot of waste.

It is true. It would most likely be impossible to get rid of since it was a piece Bush Jr.'s signature legislation and the current color in DC is red.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Trump's pick for Secretary of Education, Besty Devos has never attended a public school. Nor has she ever worked in a school of any kind, at any level. Nor does she have political experience, for what that's worth.

She is a wealthy (billionaire) heiress who has used her money and connections to open up a web of charter schools in Michigan. The charter schools she has opened are among the worst performing schools in the state.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/betsy-devos-michigan-school-experiment-232399

She has no experience or understanding of fundamental issues and debates in education, as was shown when Senator Franken asked her to explain the difference between evaluation based on "proficiency" and "growth" and she could not.


She also said that student debt has increased by 980% in the last 8 years, which is just a made up number (it has increased 118%).


She is ignorant on issues and her policies have track record of failure in her own home state. So what is her qualification, you might ask? Her family is among the largest national donors to the Republican party

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...amily-amway-michigan-politics-religion-214631

She has many investments in companies that could benefit greatly if public education money were to be funneled into charter schools.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/betsy-devos-education-senate-hearing.html

This is NOT the way America is supposed to work.

Tim Kaine destroyed her, by the way, for what that's worth:

I don't know a thing about her or her qualifications but as to your rant....


Detroit public school make up 1/3 of Michigan's failing schools. http://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2016/09/01/failing-schools-priority-list/89707998/


BTW- of the 124 schools listed as failing by the governor, only 19 are charter schools and 9 of those are from Detroit and Benton Harbor, where the public schools suck as well.

 

[Octavian]

lol, this lady was AGAINST Trump, she put all her money and support behind Jeb, cuz she's one of the ppl responsible for no child left behind, G.Bush's initiative.

I hate NCLB... part of me thinks it was designed to discredit public ed and bust unions. It was clearly designed by someone who knows nothing about education.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Nothing makes Trump happier than firing an incompetent person. This is like a future gift to himself. One day when she is talking to him, he'll look at her and wonder why he hired her. Then it'll all come back to him, he'll get pleasantly surprised and fire her on the spot.

He probably wanted to do this with Romney but Bannon talked him out of it.

 

[Octavian]

I don't know a thing about her or her qualifications but as to your rant....


Detroit public school make up 1/3 of Michigan's failing schools. http://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2016/09/01/failing-schools-priority-list/89707998/


BTW- of the 124 schools listed as failing by the governor, only 19 are charter schools and 9 of those are from Detroit and Benton Harbor, where the public schools suck as well.

Ummm she was the one who engineered what has been widely accepted even by charter school champions as the largest ed reform disaster ever.

 

[luckyshot]

I actually read the article some dumbass above quoted. The article headline is "DeVos' Michigan schools experiment gets poor grades".

I'll help readers and translate this -- the experiment led by Devos failed and her schools suck.

The body says: "Despite two decades of charter-school growth, the state’s overall academic progress has failed to keep pace with other states."

Translating -- overall state performance, including both numerous public and smaller number of charters is poor, compared to other not named states.

Then it proceeds: "DeVos supporters point to a 2013 Stanford study that found that Michigan charter-school students are learning at a faster rate in reading and math than their public-school peers".

No need translating this, but to reiterate, her experiment, according to Stanford study, was a success as her charter school students performed better than students of Michigan public schools.

Not quite.

The problem isn't just that Michigan schools don't test as well as other states, it's that their side by side comparison to other states has gotten WORSE since the charter experiment started.

While it is true that some charter students made more progress than public students, the state's OVERALL performance rank fell.

The academic rank of students in Michigan has dropped dramatically compared with peers in other states since Devos' expansion of charter schools (most run by for-profit companies)

http://bridgemi.com/2016/12/betsy-devoss-michigan-legacy/

The reason for this, according to most analysts, is that charter schools siphon money away from public schools and spread resources too thin.

 

[Octavian]

Nothing makes Trump happier than firing an incompetent person. This is like a future gift to himself. One day when she is talking to him, he'll look at her and wonder why he hired her. Then it'll all come back to him, he'll get pleasantly surprised and fire her on the spot.

He probably wanted to do this with Romney but Bannon talked him out of it.

Read this.... Trumps complete ineptitude knows no bounds. That he nominated her is a testament to his throne as swamp king

https://www.google.com/amp/www.gq.com/story/education-secretary-betsy-devos-bad-day/amp

 

[dissolved]

I direct you all to this thread:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...s-to-reject-nomination-nov-17th-2016.3452261/

 

[Limbo Pete]

She doesn't want to deal with any of that. She simply wants public money to be siphoned away from public schools towards her for profit charter and religious schools while allowing them to ignore any federal standards that should go along with the attached funding. It's disgusting.

It's disgusting, and it's going to happen. The party line vote is all she needs, and that is a given. She looked hella uncomfortable getting grilled like that, but ultimately it's all just a grumpy wind. Devos knows she has her prize locked in.
Imo it's the baby boomer generation's ultimate petty hypocrisy that they were taken to such heights on the back of public education and then spent their lives building to a point where it could be destroyed like this.

 

[Octavian]

She doesn't want to deal with any of that. She simply wants public money to be siphoned away from public schools towards her for profit charter and religious schools while allowing them to ignore any federal standards that should go along with the attached funding. It's disgusting.

Drain the swamp!

 

[luckyshot]

I don't know a thing about her or her qualifications but as to your rant....


Detroit public school make up 1/3 of Michigan's failing schools. http://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2016/09/01/failing-schools-priority-list/89707998/


BTW- of the 124 schools listed as failing by the governor, only 19 are charter schools and 9 of those are from Detroit and Benton Harbor, where the public schools suck as well.

No one is saying Michigans schools are great or they suck... that's not the point. The point is that the entire state's performance has gotten WORSE since the expansion of charter schools.
http://bridgemi.com/2016/12/betsy-devoss-michigan-legacy/

 

[dissolved]

I'll quote my OP in this thread
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...s-to-reject-nomination-nov-17th-2016.3452261/:

https://dfer.org/dfer-statement-pre...ng-democratic-candidates-secretary-education/

November 17th, 2016

New York, NY – In response to reports of Democratic candidates being considered in President-elect Donald Trump’s search for a Secretary of Education, Democrats for Education Reform (DFER) President Shavar Jeffries released the following statement:

“It is, generally speaking, an honor for any person of any political persuasion to be asked by the President of the United States to consider a Cabinet-level appointment, but in the case of President-elect Trump, DFER encourages no Democrat to accept an appointment to serve as Secretary of Education in this new administration. In so doing, that individual would become an agent for an agenda that both contradicts progressive values and threatens grave harm to our nation’s most vulnerable kids . . ."

“The policies and rhetoric of President-elect Trump run contrary to the most fundamental values of what it means to be a progressive committed to educating our kids and strengthening our families and communities. He proposes to eliminate accountability standards, cut Title I funding, and to gut support for vital social services that maximize our students’ ability to reach their potential. And, most pernicious, Trump gives both tacit and express endorsement to a dangerous set of racial, ethnic, religious, and gender stereotypes that assault the basic dignity of our children, causing incalculable harm not only to their sense of self, but also to their sense of belonging as accepted members of school communities and neighborhoods.

“For these reasons, no Democrat should accept appointment as Secretary of Education, unless and until President-elect Trump disavows his prior statements and commits to educating the whole child and supporting the communities and families they depend on.”

____________________

Nov. 17th, 2016 - Eva Moskowitz (former New York Democratic Councilwoman)

"Eva Moskowitz, the polarizing founder of the Success Academy charter school chain, told reporters today she would “not be entertaining” a rumored role as secretary of the Department of Education in the Trump administration.

Addressing the press at an unrelated rally at City Hall against her old foe Mayor Bill de Blasio, Moskowitz insisted she had no interest at present in ascending into the federal government. A former Democratic New York City councilwoman, Moskowitz insisted she voted for Hillary Clinton and was “disappointed” at Donald Trump’s shock victory."

http://observer.com/2016/11/charter...he-wont-be-donald-trumps-education-secretary/

Nov. 21st, 2016 - Michelle Rhee removes herself from Candidacy.

"Michelle Rhee, previously speculated to be in consideration for President-elect Donald Trump's position of education secretary, has opted to remove herself from the running."

http://www.educationdive.com/news/u...s-herself-from-ed-secretary-candidacy/430866/

___________________

Incidentally, Eva Moskowitz supports Trump's nomination of Betsy Devos:

"Charter school leader Eva Moskowitz threw her support behind Donald Trump’s education secretary pick on Tuesday, arguing that the nation’s foundering public school system requires a systemic overhaul."

http://nypost.com/2017/01/17/eva-moskowitz-supports-trumps-education-secretary-pick/

___________________

It looks to me like the cultural Marxist Democrat party is simply attempting to complete their subversion of the education system and a Trump presidency threw a serious monkey-wrench into their plans. Now they're working along with the media to taint Trump's appointment.

And how can you blame his nomination when Democrat candidates were strong-armed back into their partisans places?

It's looking to be a good year for America's cleanup.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Ummm she was the one who engineered what has been widely accepted even by charter school champions as the largest ed reform disaster ever.

Ahh, she had input on it - she's also among those that are pushing for more oversight of Michigan's Charters.

 

[Andy Capp]

it can only get better, is what i'm saying

And that answer is why you fail.

 

[Andy Capp]

Yes, I think local communities should decide what should be taught to their students.

I am sure there are villages in rural India that would like to make you mayor so you can hold parades for the fakirs. Where I live, I want everyone to get the best education available (read fewest made up things) for all the children.

 

[gigantalor]

She was asked whether she believes that all schools that receive federal funding (public, public charter or private) would be required to meet the requirements of IDEA.

Her answer: She would leave it up to the state.

The dummy didn't even know that IDEA is a FEDERAL law.

Later on, they literally took time out of the hearing to explain what this law was to her. I'm not a teacher. I don't work in education, but I seem to have a better grasp of the education system than the nominee for Secretary of Education?

Are you throwing your hat into the ring?

 

[gespenst]

Not quite.

The problem isn't just that Michigan schools don't test as well as other states, it's that their side by side comparison to other states has gotten WORSE since the charter experiment started.

First of all, you sound bullshitty. Instead of acknowledging major faults of the article you proceed with picking on some less important things. So fuck you, dishonest asshole, you aren't worth shit. At least until you acknowledge, of course.

But still. You suspiciously don't say WHY they became worse to other again unnamed states (let's assume that it's true, however, I'd doubt anything coming from anyone quoting this article and defending it). Was it because of charter schools? It's unknown from the article.

While it is true that some charter students made more progress than public students, the state's OVERALL performance rank fell.

Again, because of what you dumbass? You understand what causation is, no?

Could it be that while charters improved the situation, still there was a bigger impact factor that caused everything to go down? It's unclear from the article.

The reason for this, according to most analysts, is that charter schools siphon money away from public schools and spread resources too thin.

Fuck "most analysts". Where's the data supporting this?

 

[Andy Capp]

All the back water people like @ripskater want to do away with certain levels and standards on federal education and what the students learn.

It's so they can teach their back water children things like evolution is fake and God created the earth. Maybe keep them ignorant on sex and how to prevent teen pregnancies. Etc etc etc

So chikdren in New York learn about actual science and where he lives, in trailer park Florida, the kids are being taught dinosaurs were used like cows.

Don't let them fool you this is exactly what they want, To make the country as dumb as they are

Once again, it's their incredible cognitive dissonance that allows them to believe only in they science they approve of and declare everything else an abomination that makes me laugh/spit/barf whether it be educational standards, vaccinations, evolution... the list goes on, yet here they are using computers with all the rest of us, getting modern medical help, and on and on. It's fucking hysterically stupid. I would be much happier if I could be so selectively blind about the inconvenience of facts that contradict what I want to be true.

 

[ripskater]

I'll quote my OP in this thread
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...s-to-reject-nomination-nov-17th-2016.3452261/:

https://dfer.org/dfer-statement-pre...ng-democratic-candidates-secretary-education/

November 17th, 2016

New York, NY – In response to reports of Democratic candidates being considered in President-elect Donald Trump’s search for a Secretary of Education, Democrats for Education Reform (DFER) President Shavar Jeffries released the following statement:

“It is, generally speaking, an honor for any person of any political persuasion to be asked by the President of the United States to consider a Cabinet-level appointment, but in the case of President-elect Trump, DFER encourages no Democrat to accept an appointment to serve as Secretary of Education in this new administration. In so doing, that individual would become an agent for an agenda that both contradicts progressive values and threatens grave harm to our nation’s most vulnerable kids . . ."

“The policies and rhetoric of President-elect Trump run contrary to the most fundamental values of what it means to be a progressive committed to educating our kids and strengthening our families and communities. He proposes to eliminate accountability standards, cut Title I funding, and to gut support for vital social services that maximize our students’ ability to reach their potential. And, most pernicious, Trump gives both tacit and express endorsement to a dangerous set of racial, ethnic, religious, and gender stereotypes that assault the basic dignity of our children, causing incalculable harm not only to their sense of self, but also to their sense of belonging as accepted members of school communities and neighborhoods.

“For these reasons, no Democrat should accept appointment as Secretary of Education, unless and until President-elect Trump disavows his prior statements and commits to educating the whole child and supporting the communities and families they depend on.”

____________________

Nov. 17th, 2016 - Eva Moskowitz (former New York Democratic Councilwoman)

"Eva Moskowitz, the polarizing founder of the Success Academy charter school chain, told reporters today she would “not be entertaining” a rumored role as secretary of the Department of Education in the Trump administration.

Addressing the press at an unrelated rally at City Hall against her old foe Mayor Bill de Blasio, Moskowitz insisted she had no interest at present in ascending into the federal government. A former Democratic New York City councilwoman, Moskowitz insisted she voted for Hillary Clinton and was “disappointed” at Donald Trump’s shock victory."

http://observer.com/2016/11/charter...he-wont-be-donald-trumps-education-secretary/

Nov. 21st, 2016 - Michelle Rhee removes herself from Candidacy.

"Michelle Rhee, previously speculated to be in consideration for President-elect Donald Trump's position of education secretary, has opted to remove herself from the running."

http://www.educationdive.com/news/u...s-herself-from-ed-secretary-candidacy/430866/

___________________

Incidentally, Eva Moskowitz supports Trump's nomination of Betsy Devos:

"Charter school leader Eva Moskowitz threw her support behind Donald Trump’s education secretary pick on Tuesday, arguing that the nation’s foundering public school system requires a systemic overhaul."

http://nypost.com/2017/01/17/eva-moskowitz-supports-trumps-education-secretary-pick/

___________________

It looks to me like the cultural Marxist Democrat party is simply attempting to complete their subversion of the education system and a Trump presidency threw a serious monkey-wrench into their plans. Now they're working along with the media to taint Trump's appointment.

And how can you blame his nomination when Democrat candidates were strong-armed back into their partisans places?

It's looking to be a good year for America's cleanup.

The Democrats are so bitter right now that they won't even accept a job for Trump's administration.

The loss of this election has stung then more than we can probably imagine.