Trump's DOJ gears up for crackdown on marijuana

[Quipling]

On the face of it, I'm against this. I love smoking weed myself.

But I just traveled to a few countries that haven't started the liberalized attitude towards drugs yet and .. well, it makes for better societies.

If a cop can randomly search you, make you pee in a cup without probable cause walking down the street, and put you in jail because a positive random drug test counts as drug possession.. well -- there was virtually no crime, no bums, no homeless, no crackheads, no thugs.. all of it, gone. They were all in jail.

Seeing all that in a city of 30 MILLION people packed like sardine cans was, quite frankly, an amazing experience that changed my mind on this. I have no problem with strict drug laws and more. Under American drug laws and police laws, that city would have been a hellhole instead of the paradise that it was.

Yes, massively increasing police powers does decrease disorder. But it comes at a cost to both freedom and justice. It depends on what you value.

Personally, I prefer the balance we've struck to the one you describe. Singapore is nice to visit, but it'd be chafing to live there.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Alcohol's out of your system in like 12 hours, it would be pointless. But everyone drinks, not everyone smokes weed. So, weed is the easier tool in every way to smoke out the bad guys.

It's more of a no tolerance thing. Once you start liberalizing weed laws, society moves in the direction of being more accepting about everything. And that kills the ability to have a clean society like I was just talking about.

In that sense, weed is a "gateway drug".

Where's this utopia?

Sounds like alcohol is the gateway drug if everyone's doing it legally.

 

[Thunderflash500]

Where's this utopia?

Sounds like alcohol is the gateway drug if everyone's doing it legally.

I'm guessing Singapore. Charlie Munger, Warren Buffets partner, said it was close to his ideal society. They can drug test at random. They also did some other authoritarian things that actually did work out quite well. They embraced capitalism, which probably is the main driver of the success.

 

[oldshadow]

A step in the wrong direction. The feds should let the states decide on this issue.

 

[superpunch]

Clean society? What the fuck are you talking about?! Portugal legalized all drugs, and their use of hard drugs went down, because they educated people on drugs, and started giving people treatment, not jail time.

You would be surprised how many people smoke weed.

I was the biggest pothead of all time until ~ 2 months ago when I needed to clean up my system before I traveled around backpacking.

Who cares how many people use drugs? I don't. To me, it's about how many druggies you see walking around the streets. Their impact on my daily life is what matters. If druggies are too afraid to be seen in public, all the sudden gangsters, thugs, crackheads, bums, homeless -- all disappear from sight. Out of sight, out of mind. Society is clean again.

It's a fantastic feeling to be in a clean society. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it. Until ~ a month ago, I was on the legalize all drugs side. After seeing the amazing society that insanely Nazi-like draconian drug laws can create, I changed my mind.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I'm guessing Singapore. Charlie Munger, Warren Buffets partner, said it was close to his ideal society. They can drug test at random. They also did some other authoritarian things that actually did work out quite well. They embraced capitalism, which probably is the main driver of the success.

Guess this is why they say opinions vary and why I say the price of freedom is risk.

 

[second sight]

I was driving down town recently and it honestly looked like they were filming the walking dead, zombie fuckers walking, laying down in the middle of the road, one guy fighting a bush. Cops said it was a bad batch of synthetic pot, one of the craziest drug things I've ever seen.

 

[Deleted member 491001]

Mankind is surely better for it.

Final exam, second semester, sophomore year; Mr. Griffin allowed students to choose final exam or pi to 100.

I was one of two to succeed.

Department head caught wind and the two of us had to take the final.

Mr. Griffin gave us each an A haha!

 

[Thunderflash500]

I was the biggest pothead of all time until ~ 2 months ago when I needed to clean up my system before I traveled around backpacking.

Who cares how many people use drugs? I don't. To me, it's about how many druggies you see walking around the streets. Their impact on my daily life is what matters. If druggies are too afraid to be seen in public, all the sudden gangsters, thugs, crackheads, bums, homeless -- all disappear from sight. Out of sight, out of mind. Society is clean again.

It's a fantastic feeling to be in a clean society. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it. Until ~ a month ago, I was on the legalize all drugs side. After seeing the amazing society that insanely Nazi-like draconian drug laws can create, I changed my mind.

Wait for that society to go off the rails though. For them to justify more authoritarian measures because the last ones worked out so well. It's a rare thing for authoritarian governments to be anything but miserable. Let's see if they can continue walking the line.

 

[DizzyDaze]

As a Trump supporter, disagree with this.

Legalize this federally.

 

[superpunch]

Guess this is why they say opinions vary and why I say the price of freedom is risk.

The ideal society is the one where no one is allowed to smoke weed but me. Then there's no bums and I still get to be high as balls.

 

[Quipling]

I was the biggest pothead of all time until ~ 2 months ago when I needed to clean up my system before I traveled around backpacking.

Who cares how many people use drugs? I don't. To me, it's about how many druggies you see walking around the streets. Their impact on my daily life is what matters. If druggies are too afraid to be seen in public, all the sudden gangsters, thugs, crackheads, bums, homeless -- all disappear from sight. Out of sight, out of mind. Society is clean again.

It's a fantastic feeling to be in a clean society. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it. Until ~ a month ago, I was on the legalize all drugs side. After seeing the amazing society that insanely Nazi-like draconian drug laws can create, I changed my mind.

Some of us believe that "insanely Nazi-like draconian drug laws" are not a good thing. If we imprisoned everyone who was rude, everyone would be very polite, which would be nice. But I don't think that's appropriate either. I appreciate that's even further along than the argument you're making, but the justification you're using applies to both.

 

[funcrusher2007]

I don't even smoke weed nor like it...

But half you losers in this thread sound like some seriously miserable fucks...I can't fathom for the life of me why anyone would have an argument against weed but in the same stroke of hypocrisy,have absolutely no problem having a cold one after work or cracking open a fine beer on this Sunday afternoon.(heffenweisen for me)

Social superiority complex masking social insecurity imo..

In basic terms...no life having losers

 

[gspieler]

I was skeptical, so had to look it up, but holy shit, this actually happened. Whatever law enforcement personnel coerced this girl to go on a suicide mission, over a small amount of pot, deserve to be put down themselves.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I was the biggest pothead of all time until ~ 2 months ago when I needed to clean up my system before I traveled around backpacking.

Who cares how many people use drugs? I don't. To me, it's about how many druggies you see walking around the streets. Their impact on my daily life is what matters. If druggies are too afraid to be seen in public, all the sudden gangsters, thugs, crackheads, bums, homeless -- all disappear from sight. Out of sight, out of mind. Society is clean again.

It's a fantastic feeling to be in a clean society. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it. Until ~ a month ago, I was on the legalize all drugs side. After seeing the amazing society that insanely Nazi-like draconian drug laws can create, I changed my mind.

There is no such thing as a clean country, state or city. You stopped being a dipshit with your drugs, and are seeing things differently.

The rhetoric of "Out of sight, out of mind." is the exact attitude that causes crime to flourish in the first place.

Your rhetoric makes you sound like a proponent of some sort of Duterte hellscape, in which you simply stay in specific portions of the city to say "It's so fucking clean!!!"

 

[M3t4tr0n]

I was skeptical, so had to look it up, but holy shit, this actually happened. Whatever law enforcement personnel coerced this girl to go on a suicide mission, over a small amount of pot, deserve to be put down themselves.

Yeah, I looked it up too. Ridiculous.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

"as long as it isn't his"

I'm an authoritarian and don't partake in degeneracy, so where's the contradiction?

Yeah anything you don't do is degeneracy to you I'm sure. Authoritarian?? I bet you look good in jackboots.

 

[Losfer Words]

I was the biggest pothead of all time until ~ 2 months ago when I needed to clean up my system before I traveled around backpacking.

Who cares how many people use drugs? I don't. To me, it's about how many druggies you see walking around the streets. Their impact on my daily life is what matters. If druggies are too afraid to be seen in public, all the sudden gangsters, thugs, crackheads, bums, homeless -- all disappear from sight. Out of sight, out of mind. Society is clean again.

It's a fantastic feeling to be in a clean society. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it. Until ~ a month ago, I was on the legalize all drugs side. After seeing the amazing society that insanely Nazi-like draconian drug laws can create, I changed my mind.

 

[Fawlty]

several posters claiming "states rights" post are likely the same ones that would go ape shit if states struck down gay marriage

That's because they don't believe in states' rights the same way the weird anti-pot crowd does. It's a consistent political view.

The inconsistent view is the one that ignores "states' rights" and "small government" to stop people from using a nearly harmless drug just because...well, they don't have a good reason. They just arbitrarily want to take away states' rights over vague moral butthurt and a desire to incarcerate black people.

 

[second sight]

That's because they don't believe in states' rights the same way the weird anti-pot crowd does. It's a consistent political view.

The inconsistent view is the one that ignores "states' rights" and "small government" to stop people from using a nearly harmless drug just because...well, they don't have a good reason. They just arbitrarily want to take away states' rights over vague moral butthurt and a desire to incarcerate black people.

bold its still against federal law, so there's that and the same consistency you claim they don't have actually applies.

in both examples the slippery slope argument was given and accurate I might add. the first amendment was done away with with the gay marriage bullshit (you are free to practice your religion unless it crosses paths with anything gay) followed immediately by the trans, gender identity, no gender specified whatever these psychotic fucks claiming are forcing on kids

I'm not even sure the op is accurate, I do know society will suffer if we continue down this path

I lived this in the 70's and ended up taking a huge detour as a first hand result. And just recently it slapped my family big time as I watched my youngest son morph into a completely different person. so nearly harmless is a loooooooong way from harmless