- Joined
- Jan 25, 2016
- Messages
- 25,663
- Reaction score
- 23,024
You're right America is not all fucked up and getting worse. We can go on like this forever
Economy Trump's April 2nd Tariffs
- Thread starter MrShady
- Start date
You're right America is not all fucked up and getting worse. We can go on like this forever
Do i ask or try to say other men on here are broke? Nope. But some want to chime in. I wonder who is wrong?
- Joined
- Jul 20, 2024
- Messages
- 3,913
- Reaction score
- 9,105
The long term idea is to try and leverage industry back here to America, he's essentially trying to reverse 25+ years of globalization
I'm skeptical, but I'm not going to start relentlessly doom posting because the market sank. Of course it sank, he just announced tariffs on the rest of planet Earth
- Joined
- Jul 20, 2011
- Messages
- 60,915
- Reaction score
- 46,566
Down here in Florida our state Democrat party isn't very good and our Republicans are a little more moderate compared to the national GOP or some of the state parties in the deep red states so honestly Idk that I'd vote blue up and down the ballot when it comes to state and local races. In fact I've briefly looked into my Republican state representative and they're not so bad, they've supported YIMBY policies which are one of my top priorities so I'm probably going to vote them back in when the midterms come around.
So for the Democratic party to drop cultural issues and focus on the economy you instead voted for the party that focuses almost exclusively on cultural issues with the lone economic policymaking being across the board tariffs which virtually every sane economist would condemn as bad policy? If anything the message voters like you are sending is that the Dems should lean into the culture wars, deny election results that do go their way, and just do whatever they want on the economy economists be damned.
It just strikes me as really weird and misplaced to blame the Dems for the Trump presidency and not Trump himself or the GOP or their voters. Its like in your eyes that the GOP is not accountable for anything, even the things they themselves do, and that everything can be blamed on Democrats. Strikes me as awfully convenient rational for someone who just doesn't like the Dems for other reasons.
- Joined
- Jan 25, 2016
- Messages
- 25,663
- Reaction score
- 23,024
So what do you want me to do? I'm extremely unhappy with the democrats and my options to address that are very limited....gonna tell me to just keep voting blue no matter who and hoping they deliver that hope and change some day? I'm fed up.
- Joined
- Jul 19, 2010
- Messages
- 58,156
- Reaction score
- 20,614
You don't know what whataboutism means
Not being able to prevent something isn't the same as being responsible for something
France and Britain could have stopped Germany early in the war if they had thought about Germans going around the Maginot line.
But you know how stupid saying
"Churchill is directly responsible for the holocaust, if the British expeditionary force had not failed, there would had not been an holocaust".
FTFY
Its only a popularity contest because tons of Americans are like children incapable of analyzing anything seriously and even when proven wrong they blame anything but themselves.
Do yourself a favor and never vote again, you already have shown us that even when they tell you exactly the fuckery they want to do, you still vote wrong.
- Joined
- Jan 25, 2016
- Messages
- 25,663
- Reaction score
- 23,024
Ok dude
How do I tell the democrats the only thing I want to come out of their mouth is economic issues and I have had enough of the preaching and being talked down to and told im toxic? I have had it with that shit. I don't want to fight a culture war anymore but I find that difficult when I feel one party is constantly attacking me.
- Joined
- Jul 19, 2010
- Messages
- 58,156
- Reaction score
- 20,614
Big difference is that Bush Jr still believed in democracy, this time around they have a guy that despises democracy and has already said he wants to run a third term.
The chances of 2028 elections being fair are near zero.
- Joined
- Jul 19, 2010
- Messages
- 58,156
- Reaction score
- 20,614
At least you are being honest now, you feel that voting Trump because it validates your feelings was justified, Democrats insulted you and you voted with resentment in mind.
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2008
- Messages
- 29,643
- Reaction score
- 15,809
Oh I agree with you on everything you just posted..
I was just trying to remind Christopher that it has happened before, Dems loosing two in a row.
- Joined
- Jan 25, 2016
- Messages
- 25,663
- Reaction score
- 23,024
I mean sort of. I've been honest this whole time and you guys keep trying to attribute all kinds of bullshit to me and telling me I just have to keep voting Democrat or the Republicans are gonna get us.
I said at the very beginning I don't want any more gun control(culture war) and I want national Healthcare. Why do I have to change my views and where my line in the sand is when it's clear as day that none of you are.
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2019
- Messages
- 37,157
- Reaction score
- 85,949
Well the best way to make sure there’s not a spooky scary trans person hiding under your bed is to not be able to afford a bed, I guess.
Damn you Righties and your 4D chess.
- Joined
- Jul 20, 2011
- Messages
- 60,915
- Reaction score
- 46,566
The regime is offering contradictory explanations though. For one they're citing the rationale you've explained here, that's its about reshoring manufacturing. Let's set aside all the reasons why that almost certainly won't happen for a minute, some spokesmen for regime are also justifying them as a negotiating tactic to get better trade deals. And yet others are saying that they're a way to raise revenue to pay for tax cuts elsewhere.
You can see how these are contradictory right? If they're for reshoring manufacturing, then they need to be stable and predictable so companies can plan ahead. But if they're a negotiating tactic then you can't take the current rates for granted so companies won't invest on the basis of the current tariff rates because they're expecting them to be adjusted through bilateral trade deals. And if you want to impose them to raise revenue to pay for tax cuts then you wouldn't necessarily want manufacturing to return because that would eat into the revenue from the tariffs.
You can't incentivize manufacturing, negotiate a bunch of bilateral trade deals, and raise revenue from tariffs all at once. The more likely explanation is that Trump generally has no idea what he's doing and has an almost voodoo-like belief in the efficacy of tariffs and so he's decided to slap them on against the better judgement of anyone who knows better and now his cronies are scrambling to justify it by reaching for multiple, contradictory explanations. Do you think I'm getting anything wrong there?
If this was really good for US manufacturing why wouldn't stocks associated with US manufacturers have gone up? Could it be because US manufacturers have supply chains across North America and the world so that even they will suffer from these tariffs?
Kamala was talking about economic issues though, much more so than cultural ones from what I remember. For example she was advocating for bringing back the expanded child tax credit which is a policy I strongly support and was one of the big reasons I was voting for Kamala aside from wanting to see Trump lose.
I didn't even agree with all her economic policies like the $25k subsidy for first time homebuyers(bad idea in a high demand, low supply environment) or the tax on unrealized capital gains(discourages investment and hard to assess) but I don't think its fair to say Kamala was only talking about cultural issues when if anything it was the Trump campaign that leaned heavily into said cultural issues.
The one economic policy Trump ran on, 10%-20% tariffs across the board, was so stupid that even supporters had to caveat their support for him by saying he would obviously not do it even though it was his signature economic policy.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2008
- Messages
- 29,643
- Reaction score
- 15,809
Nobody is telling you to vote for Dems over MAGA, they are just telling you to vote for the right person..
What is trumps policy on Gun Control/Culture War?
What is trumps policy on Healthcare?
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2019
- Messages
- 37,157
- Reaction score
- 85,949
You’re late, that was already posted and we’ve already mocked the shit out of you guys for it—both because that flies in the face of the explanation that it was to bring back manufacturing jobs and factories and now all of a sudden it isn’t, and also because the EU’s tariffs on us were only like 1.6% (aside from cars, which was only 10% and they don’t import many of those anyhow).
We really didn’t need to tank the global economy to try and get Europe from 1.6% to 0 did we? Art of the Deal, I guess.
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2014
- Messages
- 13,707
- Reaction score
- 11,501
Kamala ran a super moderate campaign and didn't lean into any cultural issues. Trump ran a campaign almost strictly based on cultural grievances, full of racism and misogyny, and voters rewarded him for it.
- Joined
- May 14, 2017
- Messages
- 21,054
- Reaction score
- 13,949
Thats not what you're being told
- Joined
- Dec 17, 2015
- Messages
- 7,829
- Reaction score
- 9,053
I mean, you kinda asked for it lol.
You should just change your avatar to this and be done with it:
