International Trump/Vance or Zelensky - Who look the worst off in terms of public image by that Oval Office meeting?

[pugilistico]

Russian state TV entertains the idea of nuking the US. It's like trying to be friends with a guy who thinks about shooting you in the head.

 

[Jar of Flies]

At the start of the bickering. He said we have nice oceans and don't feel it (the war) now but will feel it in the future.

Bit of a stretch there buddy.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Bit of a stretch there buddy.

Sure, what else could that have meant?

 

[Crazy Source]

Bit of a stretch there buddy.

It the spin machine at work. Right-wing media has latched on to that comment and you will see it being regurgitated here now.

 

[Mr Holmes]

It the spin machine at work. Right-wing media has latched on to that comment and you will see it being regurgitated here now.

Uh, you didn't answer my question. Just added a laugh emoji.

 

[Jar of Flies]

It the spin machine at work. Right-wing media has latched on to that comment and you will see it being regurgitated here now.

If that’s there one “win” then that says more about how they truly feel about the whole thing more than their words ever can. They know trump looked like a mess here, they just have to scramble to find some glimmer of hope.

 

[Deaths Head]

It the spin machine at work. Right-wing media has latched on to that comment and you will see it being regurgitated here now.

They’re like mindless zombies aren’t they ? People talk about zombie apocalypse’s but I think it’s already here in the form of the Trumps , Attack Of The Trumpers would be a great Zombie B movie flick , I’ll get on it . We have great material just on this forum to use .

Night Of The Living Nationalists .

 

[Jar of Flies]

Sure, what else could that have meant?

If countries can just invade their neighbors with no consequence, eventually everyone will feel it. Not sure how that was hard to interpret.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

The harm here is that the world has seen (again) that there's no point in making deals, alliances, or pacts with America because the bipolar ass country will just elect someone in four years that will renege on them.

 

[Mr Holmes]

If countries can just invade their neighbors with no consequence, eventually everyone will feel it. Not sure how that was hard to interpret.

Feel it? Be specific, what will we feel in the future that our ocean is preventing now?

 

[Crazy Source]

Uh, you didn't answer my question. Just added a laugh emoji.

I already told you what it meant in my previous post. Go back and actually read it this time. Trump wanted to be the savior here. He wanted a peace deal signed (with no safety guarantee to Ukraine, a non-starter) and he wanted the mineral rights. It would have been a huge win for the administration. But, just like everything else Trump touches, it turned to shit. Why people are acting surprised, I have no idea.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I already told you what it meant in my previous post. Go back and actually read it this time

No you didn't. And you're ducking the question now. You can run along now.

 

[Deaths Head]

If countries can just invade their neighbors with no consequence, eventually everyone will feel it. Not sure how that was hard to interpret.

 

[Jar of Flies]

Feel it? Be specific, what will we feel in the future that our ocean is preventing now?

Again, this isn’t hard for adults, but since you’re feigning ignorance here, I’ll explain it like you’re a child.

If the world sees that any country can now invade any other country with no consequence, many countries will do this. The US is geographically isolated from the current war, but we have many trade and economic partners that we rely on. Eventually, this disruption will hit enough of our partners that it will cause problems for us as well as any other country in the world.

 

[AdamWarlock]

Imagine what he’s like behind closed doors ? This what everyone who knew Trump and around him and former business partners warned us about how dangerous he is and he still got voted in and even insulted his supporters by saying he needs uneducated people to vote fir him and he won bc he knew we are a nation of stupid people, you can’t make this stuff up .

trumpers are the ultimate masochists

"oh yeah, insult me harder daddy trump!"

 

[Crazy Source]

No you didn't. And you're ducking the question now. You can run along now.

I did. The comment meant that we will be feeling it more in the future if Russia is left unchecked. Russia will continue to advance until stopped, which destabilizes the world. It would give China the green light to eventually invade Tawain. Russia did it, why can't we (China). Markets would go nuts. Instability and uncertainty hurts everyone economically and the balance of power will have unknown and most likely bad outcomes. Is that clear enough, ya mook?

 

[AWilder]

No, most Americans don't see it that way. Trump is not a popular President, he just has a rabid and very loud base full of weirdo foreigners that aren't american.

ftfy

 

[AWilder]

I did. The comment meant that we will be feeling it more in the future if Russia is left unchecked. Russia will continue to advance until stopped, which destabilizes the world. It would give China the green light to eventually invade Tawain. Russia did it, why can't we (China). Markets would go nuts. Instability and uncertainty hurts everyone economically and the balance of power will have unknown and most likely bad outcomes. Is that clear enough, ya mook?

if only there was some kind of historical warning about the dangers of appeasing totalitarian dictators...

 

[kflo]

What ramifications is an ocean preventing now but won't prevent in the future?

Maybe some day we will want help from our allies.

 

[TheGreatA]

I already told you what it meant in my previous post. Go back and actually read it this time. Trump wanted to be the savior here. He wanted a peace deal signed (with no safety guarantee to Ukraine, a non-starter) and he wanted the mineral rights. It would have been a huge win for the administration. But, just like everything else Trump touches, it turned to shit. Why people are acting surprised, I have no idea.

The crazy thing is that they seemed to be talking Ukraine into it until this meeting. Zelensky only seemed to be looking for the slightest sign of USA having their back in case Russia breaks their agreement (which they always have, so far), to which Trump responded with some childish jokes.

Trump had an easy lay-up here, a huge W for his reputation as a deal maker, and he managed to fuck it up because of his ego and temper.

It's not over yet though if he just cools off and maybe meets Zelensky again one-on-one without Vance stirring it up. I really have no idea why he was even there, he's just the VP. It's not like Trump had Pence to talk in his stead back when he was first President.