Trump V AOC & Twitter?

[MikeMcMann]

I'll bump and update this thread often as new things are added. (sorry did not realize the magnitude fo dumb tweets so will have to do this piecemeal and update often. Stay tuned.)

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Some of you have asked for this contrast as we are looking at arguably the two currently most influential (at least from a Social Media perspective) politicians both from the left and right.

- Who says the more 'dumb' things on Twitter?
- Does saying 'dumb' things on Twitter actually have any negative impact?
- What does this say about social media, if anything and the dumbing down of discourse?

The case against Trump.

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• “I cherish women. I want to help women. I’m going to be able to do things for women that no other candidate would be able to do.
• Campaign finance: "I think nobody knows more about campaign finance than I do, because I'm the biggest contributor." (1999.)
• "I know more about ISIS than the generals do." (November 2015.)
• "I know more about courts than any human being on Earth." (November 2015.)
  
• "Nobody knows more about trade than me." (March 2016.)
• The U.S. government system: "[N]obody knows the system better than I do." (April 2016.)
• "I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth." (April 2016.)
• "I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world." (May 2016.)
• "Technology — nobody knows more about technology than me." (December 2018.)
• "Having a drone fly overhead — and I think nobody knows much more about technology, this type of technology certainly, than I do." (January 2019.)
• "You have scientists on both sides of it. My uncle was a great professor at MIT for many years, Dr. John Trump," the president said. "And I didn’t talk to him about this particular subject, but I have a natural instinct for science, and I will say that you have scientists on both sides of the picture."
• "Everything I want and everything I have is clean. Clean is very important — water, air," he said. "I want absolutely crystal clear water and I want the cleanest air on the planet and our air now is cleaner than it’s ever been. Very important to me." (on being an "environmentalist himself)
• Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star.
• I have chosen one of the truly great business leaders of the world, Rex Tillerson, Chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil, to be Secretary of State.
  
• The media has been speculating that I fired Rex Tillerson or that he would be leaving soon - FAKE NEWS! He's not leaving and while we disagree on certain subjects, (I call the final shots) we work well together and America is highly respected again
  
• Mike Pompeo is doing a great job, I am very proud of him. His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn't have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn't get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!
• to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!

• Just spoke with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia who totally denied any knowledge of what took place in their Turkish Consulate. He was with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo...
• The Democrats are trying to belittle the concept of a Wall, calling it old fashioned. The fact is there is nothing else’s that will work, and that has been true for thousands of years. It’s like the wheel, there is nothing better. I know tech better than anyone, & technology.....
• Our Country was built on Tariffs, and Tariffs are now leading us to great new Trade Deals - as opposed to the horrible and unfair Trade Deals that I inherited as your President. Other Countries should not be allowed to come in and steal the wealth of our great U.S.A. No longer!
• Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?
• All Republicans support people with pre-existing conditions, and if they don’t, they will after I speak to them. I am in total support. Also, Democrats will destroy your Medicare, and I will keep it healthy and well!
• "I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today,"
• An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud.

 

[tonni]

You need to be unpresidentally intelligent to understand Trump's comments.

 

[JonesBones]

People already beat you to it. There are literally threads on the Tweets of both people. Why would you add another?

 

[MikeMcMann]

AOC ... (Edit: really need some help here as there are actually very few things quoted in 'the Daily AOC says something Stupid' thread. I went through and could only pull three things.)

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Said in an interview not a tweet...


‏Verified account @kylegriffin1

.@AOC on the Amazon deal: "If we were willing to give away away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest $3 billion in our district ourselves if we want to. We could hire more teachers, we can fix our subways, we can put a lot of people to work for that money if we wanted to."

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(this is more ideological than dumb but I am struggling here)




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"Our planet is going to hit disaster if we don't turn this ship around and so it's basically like, there's a scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult," Ocasio-Cortez said while chopping up food in her kitchen during an Instagram live video. "And it does lead, I think, young people to have a legitimate question, you know, 'Is it okay to still have children?'

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[MikeMcMann]

People already beat you to it. There are literally threads on the Tweets of both people. Why would you add another?

Those threads are just to report seperately the dumb things they say.

This thread is to contrast them and discuss how Social media is, if at all, affecting the discourse of Politics.

These are two of the top vocal and followed people, one from each party. Does this dumbing down matter?

The MOD @RR greenlit me creating this 'contrast' thread.

 

[JonesBones]

Those threads are just to report seperately the dumb things they say.

This thread is to contrast them and discuss how Social media is, if at all, affecting the discourse of Politics.

These are two of the top vocal and followed people, one from each party. Does this dumbing down matter?

Oh, ok. That makes it necessary. We need a commentary thread on the other two threads.

 

[JonesBones]

AOC ...

There is already a thread for this. Two threads actually. Meme thread and AOC Twitter thread.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Please add all the ones where Trump invents new words.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Makes Trump Vs AOC tweet thread

Only has Trump tweets
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Mods should edit title to "Trump tweets make REEEEE"

 

[KeepItRealist]

They both whine like teenagers and pat themselves on the back.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

So he's an inconsistent idiot who changes his mind depending on which way the wind is blowing and takes his orders from Fox, what's the big deal?
Liberal pussies.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Came in here expecting a GOAT historic level OP. Then I only see "case against Trump".

Leaves thread massively disappointed.

patience man patience. I am building both cases but need help with the AOC dumb statements as that 'daily' thread had very few and I am struggling to find quote'ables for her.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Then where is the contrast? Your OP has what, 25-30 Trump tweets and 0 AoC tweets? You randomly added a couple of AoC after creating the OP. You can find a dozen with a simple Google search. If you really wanted to contrast the two, you would have done something along the lines of creating an OP with the top 10 worst Trump tweets vs the 10 worst AoC tweets, asking "who is worse xyz". Then members would discuss why they felt one was worse than the other, or add tweets they felt should be included.

Instead you did all the legwork against Trump exclusively in the name on "contrast". Even actually writing in "case against Trump" in the OP. Then left AoC as a fill in. This reads off as you attempting to come off as neutral, when in reality it's just another Trump bashing thread under the guise of #ProveMeWrong.

Its a 'building' thread. And it is building. Its jsut much more difficult to find the dumb stuff AOC says. If anyone can point me in some directions I am happy to mine them and add to this.

And no to just the top 10 as that paints an 'equivalency' thing and that is not the goal. Trump is the most successful politician currently, we need to correlate 'does quantity of dumb stuff said actually hurt or help' and compare that to the quantity of what AOC says.

And if AOC say more dumb stuff than any other Dem, even if it is less then Trump that might paint a road map that others need to up their game, and maybe her as well.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I asked @Ripskater to help here since he is shocked someone could say the things she does and get elected.

Ignore the irony of him being a massive Trump supporter. Hopefully he can provide me some quotes.

Lol, Now I know why there is a thread on this crazy woman! How did she ever get elected?

"Our planet is going to hit disaster if we don't turn this ship around and so it's basically like, there's a scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult," Ocasio-Cortez said while chopping up food in her kitchen during an Instagram live video. "And it does lead, I think, young people to have a legitimate question, you know, 'Is it okay to still have children?'"

 

[tonni]

So he's an inconsistent idiot who changes his mind depending on which way the wind is blowing and takes his orders from Fox, what's the big deal?
Liberal pussies.

To be honest, it's all a distraction anyway. If there was ever a case of a useful idiot, it's him.

 

[Andy Capp]

Help me out here. Aside from the frankly disgusting likelihood that it wouldn't happen just because politicians are too busy lining their pockets, what exactly is wrong with this assertion?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

To be honest, it's all a distraction anyway. If there was ever a case of a useful idiot, it's him.

... I don't see any reason why it would be (Russia)."

 

[xcvbn]

Help me out here. Aside from the frankly disgusting likelihood that it wouldn't happen just because politicians are too busy lining their pockets, what exactly is wrong with this assertion?

It's okay, the Chinese will be great landlords and a college educated populace is overrated.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Help me out here. Aside from the frankly disgusting likelihood that it wouldn't happen just because politicians are too busy lining their pockets, what exactly is wrong with this assertion?

ya. I am struggling to find and add 'dumb stuff' said by her. So i included that only because some labelled it dumb in the 'Daily AOC...' thread but I commented I see it is as 'ideological' and not 'dumb'.

 

[Andy Capp]

ya. I am struggling to find and add 'dumb stuff' said by her. So i included that only because some labelled it dumb in the 'Daily AOC...' thread but I commented I see it is as 'ideological' and 'dumb'.

But what about it is dumb, exactly? Help out a poor deluded leftist, will ya?

Edit: sorry, I don't mean to direct anything at you, but this whole OAC is so dumb shtick is so obviously just projection or jealousy I'm pretty well done with it. And for her supporters, all it does is increase their acceptance and tolerance for when she does do less than intelligent shit. I guess in that respect she's inadvertently benefiting from the Trump phenomenon.