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Don't worry he doesn't care about sounding like an idiot.
International Trump unveils Middle East peace plan with two-state solution, tunnel connecting West Bank and Gaza
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Sounds like a bad trip to taco bell
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Uh oh. You're headed for dubs my man.[/QUOTE]
Dont give two shits what I get. Fuck Islam. Fuck anyone who agrees with ANY backwards ass religion. Want real peace in the middle east? Get rid of ALL religion.
There is so little difference between Likud and Blue & White on the Palestinian question, it's not worth talking about. Nobody with any following in the Israeli body politic is arguing for a return to the '67 borders, the de-unification of Jerusalem, the return of the Golan Heights, dismantling the major settlements, or not annexing the Jordan Valley. That's what's so funny about Likud and Netanyahu Derangement Syndrome. You guys think it's just Bibi, but it's not. His views on the Palestinians are held by the vast majority of Israelis.
Israel is a democracy. If Netanyahu's views weren't widely accepted, do you think he'd be the longest serving PM in Israel's history?
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Well, its not really much of a concentration camp if they can just leave.
I've posted it here many times. Israel will ensure there are no Palistinians left in Gaza and th eWest bank eventually, so the bandaid approach is the only way to go. Do it quickly- relocate all Palistinians now.
Since WW2, the zionists always win.
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Believe me I have no illusions of returning to 1967 as Israel now has 600k settlers and billions in infrastructure in the West Bank. It's obvious that Likud and their allies will not stop settlements and their aim is to settle the entirety of Judea and Samaria. Trump's new deal as far as I know did not include the PA at the table so it was disingenuous to begin with, I cannot see how any of this can be taken seriously. If what you say is true a one state solution seams completely impossible as Israel could not remain a democracy and a Jewish state for very long.
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News came out recently about Jeffrey Epstein and his secret Island. Epstein is also linked to Ghislaine Maxwell who's Father is Robert Maxwell who was allegedly part of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad. All of these people are Jewish of course (its relevant to mention this).
The most realistic theory going around is that Jeffrey Epstein Island was used to film people in power doing incriminating stuff for blackmail purposes and we can guess its for the benefit of Israel.
As soon as the news of Epsteins death came out Trump tweeted it was the Clintons which to me seemed suspicious. Pointing the finger at someone else can be an indication that you yourself are guilty of something. He's also been one of the most if not the most pro Israel president in recent history.
I don't know. Maybe its me but all of these things are starting to add up. I could be wrong. Not all of these things are facts but I dont think anyone can deny its a good argument yet no ones really talking about this. Most conspiracy theorists reserve their conspiracies for Liberals, Clintons, Soros, Obama etc. Yet if you try to include Trump or make an argument that these people are on both the left and the right those same conspiracies theorists who constantly tell others to be open minded get defensive.
Its not like Trump wasn't a Democrat in the past and we've seen him at the parties with the Clintons and Epstein but hey to you guys Trump is anti Establishment and will drain the swamp right? Just makes you wonder if some of these people that push these conspiracies are just trolls who do not care who is what and dont even care about some of the arguments they make. As long as their agendas are implemented. I heard a recent argument that Qanon is an Israeli Psyop but im sure most of the people who follow Qanon are in too deep to be open to different theories.
The most realistic theory going around is that Jeffrey Epstein Island was used to film people in power doing incriminating stuff for blackmail purposes and we can guess its for the benefit of Israel.
As soon as the news of Epsteins death came out Trump tweeted it was the Clintons which to me seemed suspicious. Pointing the finger at someone else can be an indication that you yourself are guilty of something. He's also been one of the most if not the most pro Israel president in recent history.
I don't know. Maybe its me but all of these things are starting to add up. I could be wrong. Not all of these things are facts but I dont think anyone can deny its a good argument yet no ones really talking about this. Most conspiracy theorists reserve their conspiracies for Liberals, Clintons, Soros, Obama etc. Yet if you try to include Trump or make an argument that these people are on both the left and the right those same conspiracies theorists who constantly tell others to be open minded get defensive.
Its not like Trump wasn't a Democrat in the past and we've seen him at the parties with the Clintons and Epstein but hey to you guys Trump is anti Establishment and will drain the swamp right? Just makes you wonder if some of these people that push these conspiracies are just trolls who do not care who is what and dont even care about some of the arguments they make. As long as their agendas are implemented. I heard a recent argument that Qanon is an Israeli Psyop but im sure most of the people who follow Qanon are in too deep to be open to different theories.
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Translation: "Might makes right!"
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I love the smell of Zionism in the morning...
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And this is one of the main reasons why there will never be peace until another power can rival them. MAD 101
Typical Zionist. Blame the victims, and society will believe due to the Zionists' influence/control over the mechanisms of our society and government.
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Simple you show them something as a starting point for negotiation
bolder part
What would happen to the Jews exactly
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Israel was invaded both times my dude, by multiple countries at that
had they been the aggressor in any of those wars, your point would make more sense
Point 1: Arguing that Trump's solution is disingenuous because the Palestinians haven't participated is disingenuous in itself. First, because it was made clear that this was a starting point for talks. Second, because the Palestinians have been completely unwilling to deal with the U.S. about anything for the last two years. How are you supposed to include anybody that refuses to converse with you?
Point 2: Both Ganz and Netanyahu have agreed to stop settlements for 4 years under the plan assuming the Palestinians come to the table at all. The Israelis may want Judea and Samaria but nobody but the religious crazies (which doesn't include Ganz or Netanyahu) think that's even remotely doable. What are they going to do with 4.8 million Palestinians? You can't kill them, can't deport them, and can't make them citizens. There's no fucking answer but two states in some way, shape or form.
The Trump deal is original because it reflects the facts on the ground and a needed dose of reality. Trump is basically telling them, we (the U.S.) are no longer leading you on and pretending that there's even a shot in hell of you getting what you want. Jerusalem isn't being split, settlers aren't being moved and Palestinian "refugees" aren't going back to Israel. In return, you get a capital on the outskirts of East Jerusalem, the Temple Mount will still be controlled by Jordan, access to the Temple Mount will be guaranteed, you'll get 70%-80% of the West Bank (more land than under your control now) and a path to statehood. You'll get substantial capital contributions to build your economy and the Egyptians will give up land to expand Gaza to the south.
The Palestinians can say no, sit around and wait another 70 years to be totally subsumed by the Jewish population which is growing faster than the Arab population (Haredi breed like 1950s Catholics).
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Aren't you saying that if the nation of army A defeats the nation of army B then nation B needs to accept whatever crumbs nation A might elect to give them, no negotiation allowed?
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yes, but especially if Nation B invaded Nation A, and lost handedly
they don't then get to demand concessions afterwards, that's absurd
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If the Palestinian's birth rate stays the same they will be the majority in a one state solution within a few decades/generations. That means if Israel was to stay a democracy, the Palestinians would have control and Israel would no longer remain a Jewish state and Zionism would die.
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The Trump deal is original because it reflects the facts on the ground and a needed dose of reality. Trump is basically telling them, we (the U.S.) are no longer leading you on and pretending that there's even a shot in hell of you getting what you want. Jerusalem isn't being split, settlers aren't being moved and Palestinian "refugees" aren't going back to Israel. In return, you get a capital on the outskirts of East Jerusalem, the Temple Mount will still be controlled by Jordan, access to the Temple Mount will be guaranteed, you'll get 70%-80% of the West Bank (more land than under your control now) and a path to statehood. You'll get substantial capital contributions to build your economy and the Egyptians will give up land to expand Gaza to the south.
The Palestinians can say no, sit around and wait another 70 years to be totally subsumed by the Jewish population which is growing faster than the Arab population (Haredi breed like 1950s Catholics).[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you can say that the US is an impartial mediator here, that is laughable. Trump has moved our embassy to Jerusalem as a sign of solidarity with Israel and basically showed the Palestinians which side he is on. If this were really impartial it would have included more than just the US and Israel.
Yes 2 states is what they want but with the Palestinians getting a smaller and smaller amount of the land. I really believe they would be fine with the PA outright rejecting this offer because of Trump so they could continue to build settlements and annex more and more of East Jerusalem. The Palestinians should counter offer and try an negotiate though, if they don't they are going to be squeezed into a smaller and smaller parcel of land.
