Crime Trump-Ukraine Megathread v4

[LangfordBarrow]

I'll take it since your current posts are void of anything of substance and are reduced to just screaming Dumb and stuff. Well, I'll take it as you are tapping out on this one

And yea, Bidens video confession is the exact definition of a QPQ. But I do think it's stupid to go after him over something that is or at least was very common in the past.

 

[SBJJ]

Yeah, I didn't think you'd be able to answer the question.



"Confession"? He's not doing anything wrong there. What was the "QPQ"? And it has never been common to illegally conduct American foreign policy in the best interests of the president personally rather than the country.

There was no actual question to answer. Think you are mixing up posts

Sorry. It is the definition of a QPQ

You do A or I will withhold B. If Trump was seen or heard telling Zelensky or his administration I will not gove you aid unless you do my bidding.....that would be what Mr Biden did.

We get it, you think it's ok because your team did it. We are used to this with you.

But again, it is stupid to go after Biden on this when it was likely very common. Even though the prosecutors involved are on record stating they were fired because Joe wanted Burisma protected

 

[SBJJ]

The complaint isn't about him having a call, it's about what was on the call.

Which he and Rudy both confirmed.

Except both those on the call say nothing wrong happened. Zelensky disagrees with you and the WBs narrative

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Lol. What? That he had a call with Zelensky? Come on

It does matter that a supposed WB visits a partisans staff before even filing the complaint

It really smell like the Kavanaugh debacle

"We need javelins" "I need a favor though"

 

[Rational Poster]

Except both those on the call say nothing wrong happened. Zelensky disagrees with you and the WBs narrative

Except if we just go off what they have both confirmed something wrong happened... and the proceeding attempts to cover it up are even worse.

If nothing wrong happened why did we still not get the verbatim transcript?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Except all of it is fact

Just take 1 part. Are you denying what Zelensky said?

No, but he would be considered a witness under duress, since Trump still has leverage over him. You are just being completely dishonest in that post.

 

[SBJJ]

"We need javelins" "I need a favor though"

Except you just made that up. Unless you actually believe the Adam Parody was real

 

[Confucamus]

You're playing dumb. The aid was withheld, and then in a call (that disturbed several members of his own team), he asked for help.

"Yes, my client is on video pushing the victim out the window, but you can't prove that the push actually was what made him fall. He was probably suicidal."

But what reason was the aid withheld for? I saw Trump say why it was withheld but where is the definitive proof that it was withheld pending Ukraine's help investigating Biden? And why wasn't it mentioned on the call?

 

[SBJJ]

No, but he would be considered a witness under duress, since Trump still has leverage over him. You are just being completely dishonest in that post.

Are the former prosecutors under duress also? Is anyone that disagrees with your narrative either under duress or lying?

And yea, since the call never touched on Aid for dirt I think we should probably just give Zelensky the benefit of the doubt

 

[Rational Poster]

But what reason was the aid withheld for? I saw Trump say why it was withheld but where is the definitive proof that it was withheld pending Ukraine's help investigating Biden? And why wasn't it mentioned on the call?

He asked for javelins, which would be the aid.

The way military aid works is we give foreign countries money and then they use it to buy arms from US manufacturers. We don't just ship them the weapons.

The money being withheld would have been used to buy the javelins he was asking for.

 

[SBJJ]

But what reason was the aid withheld for? I saw Trump say why it was withheld but where is the definitive proof that it was withheld pending Ukraine's help investigating Biden? And why wasn't it mentioned on the call?

INB4 he calls you dumb or stupid

He sees the worst in all things Trump because everything is political . It is all about winning

 

[SBJJ]

He asked for javelins, which would be the aid.

The way military aid works is we give foreign countries money and then they use it to buy arms form US manufacturers. We don't just ship them the weapons.

The money being withheld would have been used to buy the javelins he was asking for.

You completely dodged his actual question

 

[Confucamus]

He asked for javelins, which would be the aid.

The way military aid works is we give foreign countries money and then they use it to buy arms form US manufacturers. We don't just ship them the weapons.

Did Trump say the aid would be withheld if the Ukraine didn't investigate Biden?

 

[*Z*]

I see some people are still referring to the memo as a transcript. Nobody knows what else was said in the call. We can't use the memo as proof of no wrong doing. If nothing improper was said, let's see the full transcript.

 

[Rational Poster]

Did Trump say the aid would be withheld if the Ukraine didn't investigate Biden?

He conditioned the request for javelins with the request for a favor.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

There was no actual question to answer. Think you are mixing up posts

Sorry. It is the definition of a QPQ

You do A or I will withhold B. If Trump was seen or heard telling Zelensky or his administration I will not gove you aid unless you do my bidding.....that would be what Mr Biden did.

We get it, you think it's ok because your team did it. We are used to this with you.

But again, it is stupid to go after Biden on this when it was likely very common. Even though the prosecutors involved are on record stating they were fired because Joe wanted Burisma protected

<{cruzshake}>

 

[SBJJ]

Except if we just go off what they have both confirmed something wrong happened... and the proceeding attempts to cover it up are even worse.

If nothing wrong happened why did we still not get the verbatim transcript?

Christ. Now you are on the Verbatim schtick

You do realize this is the way it has been done for many administrations. Including Clinton, Bush and Obama

 

[Confucamus]

INB4 he calls you dumb or stupid

He sees the worst in all things Trump because everything is political . It is all about winning

I usually ignore whatever Outrage of the Week is going on but the left is really trying to make anything they can out of this. It appears to me that they believe it is okay to unseat a democratically elected President because of what they believe he may or may not have inferred on a phone call. A recording of which was released to the public.

 

[sdpdude9]

There was no actual question to answer. Think you are mixing up posts

Sorry. It is the definition of a QPQ

You do A or I will withhold B. If Trump was seen or heard telling Zelensky or his administration I will not gove you aid unless you do my bidding.....that would be what Mr Biden did.

We get it, you think it's ok because your team did it. We are used to this with you.

But again, it is stupid to go after Biden on this when it was likely very common

You’re wrong dude. Not just any quid pro quo is wrong. The US government can make deals like this with foreign governments but NOT for personal or political gain.

Biden was acting on behalf of the United States government (including Republicans) and allies that all wanted to remove a prosecutor who wasn’t pursuing corruption charges. This wasn’t for personal or political reasons, as posited by the right, because the move would have actually been detrimental if his son had done anything wrong, because it was to put in a prosecutor that would further look into that company or any other potential corruption.

Trump on the other hand, his motive was clear. He was seeking a foreign government to dig up (or manufacture) dirt on his political rival. That’s illegal. He wasn’t looking for corruption as the right claims, and if he was really concerned and had any basis for this conspiracy, then he would have went through his own intelligence agencies, not foreign governments.

Aside from quid pro quo not being necessary, we have it from the text messages that clearly lay out that Trump had made it a prerequisite for the Ukrainian Government to investigate Biden to receive desperately needed military aid, let alone even have a phone call or potential meeting. That’s pretty explicit quid pro quo leveraging his office for personal, political gain.

 

[SBJJ]

He conditioned the request for javelins with the request for a favor.

Except the actual transcript proves that to be complete bullshit