Law Trump says the Epstein list is a conspiracy created by Obama and Clinton

Do you believe Trump is in the Epstein List?

  • Yes, absolutely.

    Votes: 259 57.8%
  • Yes, probably.

    Votes: 125 27.9%
  • No, he's not on the list.

    Votes: 28 6.3%
  • No, there is no list. So of course he's not on it.

    Votes: 18 4.0%
  • I'm on the fence.

    Votes: 18 4.0%

  • Total voters
    448
The question is why wasn't anything done for 6 years? There was no sense of urgency? 6 years these perps walked free. Both admin AGs have now seen the files. And if there are witnesses who are the girls that were involved she could have been buried. I don't understand at all. Trump is going in a few years and she could be back in maximum or wherever she was. A lot of assumptions are being made all around.
I've mentioned this before, but Ghislaine was convicted in Dec 2021, and sentenced in mid-2022. The the Senate Finance Committee began an investigation into Epstein's finances the same year (which Trump's DOJ shut down in Jan 2025). So, there were ongoing trials and investigations related to Epstein the entire time Biden was in office.
 
Her lawyer couldn't have found anyone on any side of the political aisle? I believe in Federal charges you have to serve the entirety of your term which I think in this case is 20 years. She'll be nearly dead by the time she gets out. So I don't know what kind of a deal they really made her

Edit: you must serve 85%

They gave her a deal when they transferred her to a prison she wasn’t supposed to be at because she is a sex offender. They had to give her a waiver for that. All she gave in return was no one did anything with anyone.
 
1/2 right , it was Newt and Limbaugh

They both started to demonize the other side in a new nastier way , Newt actually had Republicans move out of the city so they would socialize less with Dems , it used to be quite common for their to be close friendships across the aisle , Newt didn't like that at all he's an evil little shit
Newt also cheated on his wife while she was in the hospital riddled with cancer. Newt is a giant piece of shit. Listen honey thanks for being my wife, hope you beat the cancer but I got to meet up with the side piece.Newt is your typical MAGA-Chino. Talks about Jesus only to get votes.
 
Newt also cheated on his wife while she was in the hospital riddled with cancer. Newt is a giant piece of shit. Listen honey thanks for being my wife, hope you beat the cancer but I got to meet up with the side piece.Newt is your typical MAGA-Chino. Talks about Jesus only to get votes.
True story: Friend of mine's wife wanted to try and hook me up with a girl they knew who was some kind of assistant to Newt Gingrich. Like, that was one of their selling points.
I was like - do you people even know me?
I never met her. Also lived in different states. Never meant to be *sigh*
 
What does that have to do with Trump transferring her into a prison she doesn't qualify to be in? According to the transcripts she has not provided any evidence to incriminate anyone else or secure a conviction. Biden letting her rot in prison is somehow an excuse for Trump's actions?
My point is if they wanted to catch big fish they could have cut her a deal even to release her. I have no idea why she was transferred. What the level of security prison she was in before versus now. Someone mentioned minimum to minimum but dont know.
 
They gave her a deal when they transferred her to a prison she wasn’t supposed to be at because she is a sex offender. They had to give her a waiver for that. All she gave in return was no one did anything with anyone
So for the last 6 years no one has done anything with her. Trump now has control of his own AG so likely nothing would happen to her anyway. I just don't see the point of all of this
 
I've mentioned this before, but Ghislaine was convicted in Dec 2021, and sentenced in mid-2022. The the Senate Finance Committee began an investigation into Epstein's finances the same year (which Trump's DOJ shut down in Jan 2025). So, there were ongoing trials and investigations related to Epstein the entire time Biden was in office.
Yet nothing has happened in 6 years. There could have been a deal cut before she was even convicted and sentenced. Strange that nothing has happened with this stuff in 6 years
 
Anyway I just poked my head in here because I heard even the mods were calling people groomers LOL. So I figured it was super cereal.
 
Newt also cheated on his wife while she was in the hospital riddled with cancer. Newt is a giant piece of shit. Listen honey thanks for being my wife, hope you beat the cancer but I got to meet up with the side piece.Newt is your typical MAGA-Chino. Talks about Jesus only to get votes.
This was as he was trying to take down Clinton for getting an out of wedlock BJ lol
 
My point is if they wanted to catch big fish they could have cut her a deal even to release her. I have no idea why she was transferred. What the level of security prison she was in before versus now. Someone mentioned minimum to minimum but dont know.

She is not giving anyone up as she still claims she is innocent. What don’t you get about that? If they are going to catch big fish it’s not going to be with her help. The other problem is she has lied so many times that her testimony is completely worthless no matter who she were to give up. The point of all of this is a dog and pony show for magats. They need to make it look like they are clearing names without releasing the files.
 
She is not giving anyone up as she still claims she is innocent. What don’t you get about that? If they are going to catch big fish it’s not going to be with her help. The other problem is she has lied so many times that her testimony is completely worthless no matter who she were to give up. The point of all of this is a dog and pony show for magats. They need to make it look like they are clearing names without releasing the files.
Unless you believe she is innocent then she has no reason to not bargain. As to her lying and canceling out her testimony, then it's pointless to do anything with her anyway.
 
Lmao @ the levels that these trumpers stoop too in order to defend their daddy. Anyone else would try to distance themselves from someone with these types of allegations. Guess it’s different when you’re part of a cult.
 
Yet nothing has happened in 6 years. There could have been a deal cut before she was even convicted and sentenced. Strange that nothing has happened with this stuff in 6 years
What are you talking about? I just listed for you things that happened that would prevent them from releasing anything that might conflict with trials and investigations. And Maxwell perjured herself multiple times, maybe they tried to cut a deal and couldn't, but in any case she got what she deserved.

One thing is for certain, they cut her a deal this year, and so far she hasn't given up anything.
 
What are you talking about? I just listed for you things that happened that would prevent them from releasing anything that might conflict with trials and investigations. And Maxwell perjured herself multiple times, maybe they tried to cut a deal and couldn't, but in any case she got what she deserved.

One thing is for certain, they cut her a deal this year, and so far she hasn't given up anything.
I do think she got what she deserved. On that we agree. She may well due in prison. And my point is for 6 years that has been very little movement in the way of trials or convictions. No one has been in a hurry to do anything. Even with AG's from both sides seeing all of the evidence.
 
Again then why didn't they use it to bury trump? If the DNC even suspected he was directly involved yet nothing was done? Even chancing the election on this?
I don't know. Did Trump remove or destroy files before he left office? He certainly had an issue with file retention. The justice system often fails to work with the speed we wish it could.
 
I do think she got what she deserved. On that we agree. She may well due in prison. And my point is for 6 years that has been very little movement in the way of trials or convictions. No one has been in a hurry to do anything. Even with AG's from both sides seeing all of the evidence.
No offense, but I don't really see how your point makes sense. Epstein was set to go to trial, killed himself, and then Ghislaine was convicted, all within that time frame. If you're talking about going after others that were involved, whether it's John's or henchmen types, it would likely have had to have happened after all of that. We don't really know what Garland was doing from 2022-2024, so it is possible they weren't looking into anything, but that's a 2 year stretch, not 6. And we also know that Senator Wyden, who chaired the finance committee, started the investigation into Epstein's finances in 2022. Also, nothing ever really moves fast, especially when congress is involved. Hell, they're on vacation or recess or shut down because they can't agree on anything, for like half the year.

Anyway, we know there's a there, there, despite Trump saying there's nothing to see, and Maxwell saying she never saw nobody doin nuthin, ever.

From an interview with Wyden:
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--Well, we found, for example, 4,700 wire transfers [and that's just the one bank they were able to look at, Epstein used many, including Russian banks], and there were details about women and girls being trafficked. And we've seen evidence of a paper trail, account records, treasury files. We have details about Epstein henchman who carried out his orders, information about banks looking the other way, government agencies sleepwalking, and I think that it's just important now if you're looking at a rigged financial system to make sure that all the facts come out.

--We asked the Treasury Department during the Biden administration to show us the materials, show us the suspicious activity reports. They did. We asked to sit with them [Garland's office] and look at the files. They allowed us to do it."

I'll grant you that it's entirely plausible, likely even, that high level figures are being protected behind the scenes, and nothing ever would have been or will be released by anyone. But even right now, at least Massie and Khanna are planning to force a floor vote to compel the full release of the files after Congress returns from recess. We'll see how that goes.
 
I'm driving so I'll have to respond to the rest later. It's not a what about ism. I'm simply asking the question why wasn't everyone screaming when nothing was coming out during Biden's entire administration? All of a sudden Trump is a few months in and everybody screaming.
Trump said on Fox news he would release the Epstein files. And, the Epstein story has been a major point for the whole MAGA movement for years. Biden never really discussed them from what I can recall. So Biden is guilty of doing nothing but Trump is free from any obligation to do what he said he would do. Is this your stance?
 
I don't know. Did Trump remove or destroy files before he left office? He certainly had an issue with file retention. The justice system often fails to work with the speed we wish it could.
Let's say he did destroy files which I don't know how easy that could be done without having copies of everything in someone's hands.... then there is nothing to stop the release of the files. I know the justice system can work slowly, but normally a case to charge doesn't take a massive amount. The case is largely built between charges and trial.
 
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Let's say he did destroy files which I don't know how easy that could be done without having copies of everything in someone's hands.... then there is nothing to stop the release of the files. I know the justice system can work slowly, but normally a case to charge doesn't take a massive amount. The case is largely built between charges and trial.
took years to even begin the prosecution of trump for the files he stole and lied about. That kind of case usually takes 12-18 months.
 
Trump said on Fox news he would release the Epstein files. Biden never really discussed them from what I can recall. So Biden is guilty of doing nothing but Trump is free from any obligation to do what he said he would do. Is this your stance?
I didn't say that. If it can be confirmed that those files have people that are guilty and it can be proven then obviously I want it released. And yes I agree Biden never really discussed it. But so many people in this thread are screaming for justice and they weren't calling for anything over the last 6 years. I do think there could be some powerful people in those files that touch both sides of the aisle and maybe even Trump in the business world. But that's all speculation. I don't think Trump would offer the Epstein files if he knew he was guilty and there could be something in there yet people are convinced he's in there and guilty.
 
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