International Trump says Russia should be readmitted to G7

[SuperLuigi]

Be so piss weak that you don't stop the #3 and then give them everything what they want at negotiations.

Wait to see if #2 military power thinks west is joke.


If you're thinking the best geopolitical move is to look piss weak in front of what is the new rival super power I don't know what to say mate.

Its not weakness to stop push NATO into Russia's face, or at least do so in a manner that doesn't involve toppling regimes. Global relations is more than just a zero sum game.

 

[Crazy Source]

Its not weakness to stop push NATO into Russia's face, or at least do so in a manner that doesn't involve toppling regimes. Global relations is more than just a zero sum game.

Ukraine has been pushing to join NATO. As a NATO member, the U.S. should be supportive. This isn't "pushing" it in Russia's face. This is respecting the autonomy of Ukraine.

 

[filthybliss]

Its not weakness to stop push NATO into Russia's face, or at least do so in a manner that doesn't involve toppling regimes. Global relations is more than just a zero sum game.

NATO didn't invade Russia but Russia invaded Ukraine....

Do us a favor and name a time that NATO attacked a country and dissolved that country into NATO as well.

This point is like gaslighting a woman calling the cops on their rapist and carrying pepper spray to keep them away.

On the other hand, Russia invaded Ukraine when it had no aspirations for joining NATO in 2014. It even had a parilamentary bill passed which asserted that Ukraine would not join NATO or the EU. Yet Russia still stormed in and committed crimes against humanity. You can't bitch and moan that Ukraine wants to seek out help to protect themselves from an illegal invasion.

Ukraine: Bid to Ban Military Ties (Published 2010)

The country’s new governing coalition in Parliament says it will pass a law preventing the country from joining any military alliances, including NATO.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Cid]

Its not weakness to stop push NATO into Russia's face, or at least do so in a manner that doesn't involve toppling regimes. Global relations is more than just a zero sum game.

Is weakness.

Countries can join whatever DEFENSIVE alliances they want. Problem is west been too pussy. US isn't expanding NATO. Europe is expanding NATO because a whole bunch of the countries that were taken over by the soviets want that shit not to happen again.

Poland basically extorted their way into NATO. US been fighting expansion most of the way.

 

[aerius]

There is no appeasing Russia. They will keep pushing westward. Any appeasement of Russia is a defacto attack on the west.

IF that's what you truly believe, then why aren't you petitioning your government to fully mobilize and formally declare war against Russia?
If you believe the Russian threat is existential and peace isn't possible, then why aren't you preparing for a fight to the death?

 

[Crazy Source]

IF that's what you truly believe, then why aren't you petitioning your government to fully mobilize and formally declare war against Russia?
If you believe the Russian threat is existential and peace isn't possible, then why aren't you preparing for a fight to the death?

Why should I be in favor of supporting Ukraine through arms and money without American troops and not in favor of full-scale war?

You are obviously not a serious person because that is not a serious question.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Why should I be in favor of supporting Ukraine through arms and money without American troops and not full-scale war?

You are obviously not a serious person because that is not a serious question.

Here's a serious question
what previous ban are you?
and please don't do the whole dance of "why this is my first account!"

 

[SuperLuigi]

Ukraine has been pushing to join NATO. As a NATO member, the U.S. should be supportive. This isn't "pushing" it in Russia's face. This is respecting the autonomy of Ukraine.

If they respected the autonomy of Ukraine they wouldnt have orchestrated a coup against their democratically elected leader. Yanukovich who was their leader before that was strongly against them joining NATO.

 

[Crazy Source]

Here's a serious question
what previous ban are you?
and please don't do the whole dance of "why this is my first account!"

I haven't been here since before COVID hit, and honestly I forgot my handle.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Is weakness.

Countries can join whatever DEFENSIVE alliances they want. Problem is we've been too pussy. US isn't expanding NATO. Europe is expanding NATO because a whole bunch of the countries that were taken over by the soviets want that shit not to happen again.

Poland basically extorted their way into NATO. US been fighting expansion most of the way.

Yeah fighting expansion, except when they toppled Ukraine's government because they wanted to remain neutral between NATO and Russia. What the people of Ukraine want was reflected in their decision to democratically elect Yanukovich.

 

[Osculater]

Oh it's cowardice now? You know they're accepting volunteers in Ukraine right?

Go on then. Show us how brave you are. Go volunteer.

Why are you not fighting for Russia? LOL

 

[aerius]

Why should I be in favor of supporting Ukraine through arms and money without American troops and not in favor of full-scale war?

You are obviously not a serious person because that is not a serious question.

The following is your claim:

There is no appeasing Russia. They will keep pushing westward. Any appeasement of Russia is a defacto attack on the west.

You're saying that Russia can't be appeased and they will keep pushing west. You've effectively said that peace isn't possible. Where does that leave you? Think about that.

 

[filthybliss]

If they respected the autonomy of Ukraine they wouldnt have orchestrated a coup against their democratically elected leader. Yanukovich who was their leader before that was strongly against them joining NATO.

Coupe? What evidence do you have for that? We are aware that Nuland stated her preference in candidate. That doesn’t certify that she “couped” the election. If I claimed that Jon Jones would beat Stipe and he did. Does that mean I control the UFC?

You leave out all the police brutality that Yanuko ordered and significant protests against him. This turnover didn’t happen abruptly. Coupes are generally abrupt and out of nowhere.

Read up on the Orange Revolution. It’s an inconvenient truth that your type avoids addressing. Russia is meddlesome too.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Trump and his administration know that China is the biggest threat to the US in the medium to long term, so what he's trying to do now is break up the relationships that China has with Russia and India. This is part of it, India's PM is also in the US right now and Trump just had talks with him on tariffs, trade, and some other stuff. If the US can have some kind of reasonable relations with India & Russia, it can start chipping away at the partnerships they have with China. This is what we call realpolitik, aka, The Great Game.

- Trump and his administration are the biggest threat to US!

 

[Crazy Source]

The following is your claim:


You're saying that Russia can't be appeased and they will keep pushing west. You've effectively said that peace isn't possible. Where does that leave you? Think about that.

Peace can be attained by showing a united front and pushing back on Russia. No, they can't be appeased. You can't reward bad behavior. Peace can be attained by Russia packing up and going home.

Edit-And the longer Russia is engaged in this conflict, the weaker they get. Let them slow bleed as long as they want IMO.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Why are you not fighting for Russia? LOL

Because I don't support the annexation of Ukraine.

 

[Crazy Source]

Because I don't support the annexation of Ukraine.

So, you support Russia being made to pack up and leave Ukraine? Cool.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

So, you support Russia being made to pack up and leave Ukraine? Cool.

I support a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

You guys support throwing more Ukrainians into the meat grinder for no reason other than your own misguided pride.

 

[aerius]

Peace can be attained by showing a united front and pushing back on Russia. No, they can't be appeased. You can't reward bad behavior. Peace can be attained by Russia packing up and going home.

Edit-And the longer Russia is engaged in this conflict, the weaker they get. Let them slow bleed as long as they want IMO.

"Show a united front and push back" OK, how? You gonna shout some angry words at them?

As for getting weaker, lol.

US Air Force general: Russia military larger, better than before Ukraine invasion

On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered that the Russian army grow by 180,000 active-duty troops for a total of 1.5 million soldiers

www.voanews.com

PENTAGON —
Russia's military is bigger and stronger than it was prior to invading Ukraine in February 2022, the commander of United States Air Forces in Europe and Africa cautioned Tuesday.

"Russia is getting larger, and they're getting better than they were before. … They are actually larger than they were when [the invasion] kicked off," Air Force General James Hecker told reporters at the Air & Space Forces Association's annual Air, Space & Cyber Conference.

 

[Crazy Source]

I support a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

You guys support throwing more Ukrainians into the meat grinder for no reason other than your own misguided pride.

A peaceful resolution would be for Russia to pack up and leave Ukraine. If you don't support the annexation of Ukraine, then that is the resolution you are wanting.