Law Trump pardons blackwater murderers and crooked politicians

Confucamus said:
So, it would be better for me to entertain an argument that doesn't exist, despite me telling you, 3 times now, that the context of what I said wasn't related to the 4 people pardoned? You want to turn it into something it's not because you're desperate to make some moral point. I think you think I care about your opinion more than I do. I couldn't care less and your feeble attempt to make something out of nothing isn't working. Keep dodging and deflecting, though. Maybe somebody else will fall for it.
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You can tell us a million times about context, and the argument still blows. You would need to explain why the context gets you to a different conclusion. You think personal accountability is important in the context of personal finances, but you don't think personal accountability is important in the context of indiscriminately shooting civilians. So the question is, why? Why does one incident trigger calls for accountability and the other doesn't. When you fail to clarify this and instead insist it's just because of context, you look like a partisan fool.
 
Beechwood said:
However, if you want a shorter version, here it is: The Blackwater guys were hated by Iraqis, Democrats, and the military. The four Blackwater men were part of a convey that had to go through a dangerous region and were warned about a “white Kia,” a car as common as dirty in Iraq then. In the square, a white Kia was behaving peculiarly and refused to stop, so they fired until its occupants were dead.

A firefight resulted, the Army was part of it, and when the smoke cleared, there were 17 dead Iraqis and 20 wounded ones. I don’t mean to dismiss the tragedy of the Iraqi civilians who died or were wounded, but their deaths and injuries are not made right by scapegoating men who were legally in the middle of a war zone on behalf of America and almost certainly did nothing wrong.
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That is one shitty summary of the incident.
 
HOLA said:
Are you NPCs ever going to realize that "Trump Derangement Syndrome!" is not a valid defense to criticism directed at your Dear Leader?
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When he can't argue with facts or logic, what else does he have?
 
Stoic1 said:
The likes are an indicator. Notice how you have none of them in this thread?

You ever think maybe you're the trash and the one not contributing?
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" likes " just mean you post something snarky on the first two pages of a thread in the heavies. You'll get 50 likes for the same post if you get it in early enough in a thread.
 
Whippy McGee said:
Trump and his fucking pardons!!! That son of a.... oh wai....

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Damn it... good thing I didn't trust these Leftists looked it up myself.

Fucking OBAMA!!! OMG CLINTON!!!
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They served two terms...
 
BForrester said:
They served two terms...
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The current talking point game is to repeatedly make it about how many pardons were given out by other presidents, and completely ignore his association with those whom were pardoned, why, or whether they deserved it. quantity without association is apparently worse than partisan cronyism.

Judges, Jurors and even Police have to recuse themselves when they have personal ties to a case, Pardons should have similar restraints.
 
Darkballs said:
You can tell us a million times about context, and the argument still blows. You would need to explain why the context gets you to a different conclusion. You think personal accountability is important in the context of personal finances, but you don't think personal accountability is important in the context of indiscriminately shooting civilians. So the question is, why? Why does one incident trigger calls for accountability and the other doesn't. When you fail to clarify this and instead insist it's just because of context, you look like a partisan fool.
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I don’t really care to, seeing as you’ve drawn conclusions based on nothing except your own insecurities. You’re asking me to explain why I feel a way that I never said I did. You just assumed that for the sake of the argument that nobody is having. And lol at you calling anybody biased.
 
Confucamus said:
I don’t really care to, seeing as you’ve drawn conclusions based on nothing except your own insecurities. You’re asking me to explain why I feel a way that I never said I did. You just assumed that for the sake of the argument that nobody is having. And lol at you calling anybody biased.
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It was just me pointing out your hypocrisy. It wasn't a herculean hurdle for you to get over. Yet still you crashed face first.

In the future, you can't just reconcile inconsistent position by uttering the word "context." You have to additionally explain why the different in context has led you to arrive at a position that is the opposite of what you purport to hold.

This shouldn't be hard to do, all you would have to do is explain why in circumstances of personal finance, someone should exercise personal accountability; yet when it comes to indiscriminately firing into crowds of civilians, personal accountability isn't really a factor.

Look, I think we all know the root of all this. You made a dumb partisan insult about personal accountability without taking a moment to reflect on how that demolishes your support of these pardons, whose issuance tosses all notions of personal accountability in the trash. Hence, you getting mocked for being a hypocrite.
 
Man....
If only yall knew the level of retaliation soldiers went thru everytime Blackwater did some hoe shit.

Yall wouldn't be so cool with this shit if you lost a few battle buddies because these mother fuckers liked playing Frogger with the local nationals.
 
Darkballs said:
It was just me pointing out your hypocrisy. It wasn't a herculean hurdle for you to get over. Yet still you crashed face first.

In the future, you can't just reconcile inconsistent position by uttering the word "context." You have to additionally explain why the different in context has led you to arrive at a position that is the opposite of what you purport to hold.

This shouldn't be hard to do, all you would have to do is explain why in circumstances of personal finance, someone should exercise personal accountability; yet when it comes to indiscriminately firing into crowds of civilians, personal accountability isn't really a factor.

Look, I think we all know the root of all this. You made a dumb partisan insult about personal accountability without taking a moment to reflect on how that demolishes your support of these pardons, whose issuance tosses all notions of personal accountability in the trash. Hence, you getting mocked for being a hypocrite.
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Except I never made that comparison. You did, and you're demanding I entertain your made up argument. You heroically set out to "demolish" my support for these pardons, which I never gave. I just encouraged people to read up on the story. Your post reeks of desperation and I'm kind of enjoying it.
 
jamel said:
Man....
If only yall knew the level of retaliation soldiers went thru everytime Blackwater did some hoe shit.

Yall wouldn't be so cool with this shit if you lost a few battle buddies because these mother fuckers liked playing Frogger with the local nationals.
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My brother was in Ramadi for damn near his entire two deployments in Iraq, including the time during the time where they were going crazy, then got ambushed and killed. He said he didn't see those fuckers a ton, but whenever they were involved with anything, you heard about it because of cowboy shit treating a warzone like a playground.
 
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