Crime Trump orders military strikes against Mexican Cartels.

[UberHere]

I don't really understand why the rest of the world allows these cartels to exist. This is the sort of thing all civilized nations should step up and take care of.

They make a lot of money. They make world leaders a lot of money. They outgun the police.

 

[syct23]

Every Country who rendered cartel influence in their Country almost completely irrelevant did it by eliminating the need for a black market. There is no such thing as a Country with "no drug use." There are only legal distinctions for socially acceptable drug use. The most abused drug in the US are pain killers, which fits neatly within our legal framework and most kids can get hooked on by raiding medicine cabinets, and get we give those drug dealers legal status and power within our system of Government.

Yes I agree with your assessment..

But I also hate Cartels.

 

[Deaths Head]

The Mexican cartels are practically like a private military. It's not a very easy thing for them to deal with. It's almost like the US military having to take on gangs that have similar training and equipment to them.

You also need financial power and most countries don’t have that to disrupt them entirely so they take bribes etc etc ..I can’t believe any grown adult thinks other countries can just collaborate together and get rid of them , most don’t even want to because they profit off them , we ourselves made them stronger but we’re going to use military tactics to fight them ?

 

[VinceArch]

Trump orders bombing of Cabo killing innocents.

"That'll shut the Cartel up."

 

[UberHere]

I can actually get behind this.

If you are going to say you are against drugs, you may as well go for the root of the problem.

The root of the problem is human demand.

 

[Seano]

They make a lot of money. They make world leaders a lot of money. They outgun the police.

Oh, I agree its gone beyond something that local law enforcement can handle.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

They make a lot of money. They make world leaders a lot of money. They outgun the police.

Yeah I can only assume that some people don't know that the cartels do actual military training/exercises etc.

These aren't inner city gangbangers.

 

[Sinister]

Yes I agree with your assessment..

But I also hate Cartels.

Cartels are composed of capitalists who ONLY care about how much money they make, typically narcissistic sociopaths who see everything as transactional, and whose business requires they operate almost entirely outside of legal frameworks.

I mean I tend to hate capitalists generally with few exceptions, as most of them do the exact same thing just sometimes with Government sanction and a thin veil of legality.

We are a Cartel. The US is seen as not dissimilar from a cartel, do what we want or you will be destroyed. Hell the Administration is currently bragging about it.

 

[syct23]

You also need financial power and most countries don’t have that to disrupt them entirely so they take bribes etc etc ..I can’t believe any grown adult thinks other countries can just collaborate together and get rid of them , most don’t even want to because they profit off them , we ourselves made them stronger but we’re going to use military tactics to fight them ?

Not only that,

But the Mexican Cartels and Politicians are so intertwined that it’s basically like asking them if they would like to team up to kill their family members..

 

[Stoic1]

This is what people voted for!

I mean i didn't for him. But in a string of fucking dumb fuckery, Trump hitting venezuala and Mexican cartels is a breath of fresh air.

 

[Richmma80]

Think like China. How would they fix this problem and sure as fuck, they WILL fix this problem if they had it. Same with Japan and Singapore.

 

[Sinister]

The root of the problem is human demand.

No, the root of the problem is making human demand illegal.

This was proven by prohibition. A thing so insanely stupid that two of the FEW times our rigid Constitution has been changed has been to enact it, and then rescind it.

See any cartel violence over alcohol? There used to be:

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Think like China. How would they fix this problem and sure as fuck, they WILL fix this problem if they had it. Same with Japan and Singapore.

Would China be having to take on cartels that were of a comparable strength to their military?

 

[syct23]

Cartels are composed of capitalists who ONLY care about how much money they make, typically narcissistic sociopaths who see everything as transactional, and whose business requires they operate almost entirely outside of legal frameworks.

I mean I tend to hate capitalists generally with few exceptions, as most of them do the exact same thing just sometimes with Government sanction and a thin veil of legality.

We are a Cartel. The US is seen as not dissimilar from a cartel, do what we want or you will be destroyed. Hell the Administration is currently bragging about it.

Again, we agree..

This is just a battle I don’t mind getting over with (the cartels) I just wish that it would be Mexico to get the point and do it themselves.

I also do not agree with sending the U.S. Military/boots, but I know they would “for training purposes”.

I also do not think this is about drugs, just like Venezuela was not about drugs.

If America is going to keep Venezuela, they will need to clear a new path from the U.S. to Venezuela for new trade and land routes through Mexico..

Gotta make it safe for all of them future contractors driving the big rigs back and forth..

 

[Sinister]

Again, we agree..

This is just a battle I don’t mind getting over with (the cartels) I just wish that it would be Mexico to get the point and do it themselves.

I also do not agree with sending the U.S. Military/boots, but I know they would “for training purposes”.

I also do not think this is about drugs, just like Venezuela was not about drugs.

If America is going to keep Venezuela, they will need to clear a new path from the U.S. to Venezuela for new trade and land routes through Mexico..

Gotta make it safe for all of them future contractors driving the big rigs back and forth..

Mexico cant do anything.

I have a student who I've discussed here whose Father (currently deceased, drank himself to death) was in the Mexican Military. Cartels assassinated every member of his unit, and some of their families. He fought alongside US troops, know what he got for his trouble? Deported. Thankfully his kids got asylum, one of the cases I wrote a letter for, his oldest Son.

Mexico wont legalize drugs and allow for a legal market. It would change the Country overnight with regards to violence. From there it will be about containing the market the same way we do. It wont be pretty, but other Countries did this and it worked. The only argument I've heard against it is "cartels will still behave like cartels"...yeah ok, but we deal with medicine and oil cartels all the time. There is no real structural difference between a giant corporation and a cartel, mainly just legal distinction.

Mexico adopted out drug laws under threat BY us, the work of Henry Anslinger, a guy who thought weed turned people into psychotic killers and the main guy most directly responsible for the death of Billie Holiday.

 

[Thrawn33]

The Mexican cartels are practically like a private military. It's not a very easy thing for them to deal with. It's almost like the US military having to take on gangs that have similar training and equipment to them.

It won't be easy, but not because the cartel forces are anywhere near the level of the US Military.

I don't think you realize how well trained, equipped and supported basic frontline US soldiers are. Its rules of engagement, shitty mission planning or no long term objectives that usually causes their problems.

 

[SurferH2O]

I think the Left/Democrats were calling for this not too long ago as they bitched about the drug boats being hit.

If I'm a Mexican Cartel boss and I've made my $$$... it's a good time to retire. I'd make sure my retirement was VERY well known.

I just hope this opens back up the great surfing in Baja. I and many friends just quit taking those trips years ago, because it became to dangerous.

 

[syct23]

Mexico cant do anything.

I have a student who I've discussed here whose Father (currently deceased, drank himself to death) was in the Mexican Military. Cartels assassinated every member of his unit, and some of their families. He fought alongside US troops, know what he got for his trouble? Deported. Thankfully his kids got asylum, one of the cases I wrote a letter for, his oldest Son.

Mexico wont legalize drugs and allow for a legal market. It would change the Country overnight with regards to violence. From there it will be about containing the market the same way we do. It wont be pretty, but other Countries did this and it worked. The only argument I've heard against it is "cartels will still behave like cartels"...yeah ok, but we deal with medicine and oil cartels all the time. There is no real structural difference between a giant corporation and a cartel, mainly just legal distinction.

Mexico adopted out drug laws under threat BY us, the work of Henry Anslinger, a guy who thought weed turned people into psychotic killers and the main guy most directly responsible for the death of Billie Holiday.

Totally understand,

I grew up in Albuquerque and Southern New Mexico. I’ve lived around the cartels my entire life. I’m pretty up to date on how things work, hell their my next door neighbors, my kids play with their kids most likely..

I always imagine if Mexico just chose to play politics and become legal cartels like the rest of the world, wouldn’t be right but a hell of a lot safer.. but like the Middle East, Mexico just refuses to live in the now.

 

[Sinister]

It won't be easy, but not because the cartel forces are anywhere near the level of the US Military.

I don't think you realize how well trained, equipped and supported basic frontline US soldiers are. Its rules of engagement, shitty mission planning or no long term objectives that usually causes their problems.

This is a gross misrepresentation. I dont think you mean it to be, but it is. This is not a land war in an open field. It also wont be a sea battle. The problem with combating these forces is always the same, it's where they are and how to identify them. Think Hamas are difficult to root out? Cartels are worse because they're well-funded. Too many Americans get their idea of cartels from TV and movies.

My Father became a drug dealer when he got out of the Military. For a while he was s top drug dealer in Miami, never flaunted his money and if you didnt already know who he was he was indistinguishable from every 5th Afro Latino dude there. Finding Mexican cartels IN Mexico is no easy task, they're spread like tendrils among communities. This will result in TONS of civilian casualties, fighting them already does.

Now let me up the antie, they have cells operating within the U.S. They're here in Nevada, and all over the Southwest. Escalating the bloodshed WILL also cost American lives. Our Military has been defeated by peasants repeatedly. The Vietcong, the Taliban, we've had to leave numerous places with our tails tucked between our legs. The cartels are better organized and funded than many of those peasants were.

 

[Prefect]

Now you're sounding like a proper "Conservative."

The war on drugs is the dumbest thing in the world because there are two things people hate more than everything else combined, being poor and not having their drugs.