Trump on Pollution

[The Best JG]

You sound like you "know just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be useful." Just an old phrase I remember from school, got thrown at us a lot during our first couple of years in engineering. As for dark matter I believe that issue has been settled.
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...s-missing-matter-has-just-been-finally-found/

It's good that you've got an open mind and you're enthusiastic about this stuff, though I don't agree in the particular instance of solar power simply because of Thermodynamics. Something I remember when doing my intro to Quantum Mechanics (intro only, just the hydrogen atom stuff) was that every single time Thermodynamics predicted something it was proven by Quantum. No way around it... you can't get something for nothing. Phase changes require energy... try getting steam from ice without adding energy and see what happens. We'll see what happens in the future but in the mean time we can't use these "possibly new technologies" to solve our current power issues, so we should be looking at feasible methods to solve our current problems.

Yawn. U cant get something from nothing? Ok so 2 medium sized black holes collide 1.3 billion light years away, and the gravitational wave is detected here on earth and distorts the shape of our entire planet as it passes through. Since we have never detected this phenomena before, to us humans isnt that exactly being impacted by energy that was previously “nothing” ? Those black holes were ~30 solar masses. For all we know, the gravitational wave energy generated by a galaxy merger of two 5 million solar mass super massive black holes could be enough to power the entire planet for years if we can capture it. We need to invest in figuring out how to use the energy already around us efficiently instead of continuing to promote energy that ruins the planet. The future of the human race is not coal and fossil fuels. People are too obsessed with making money and being nationalistic. Countries competing with each other will ruin the planet. Trump has admitted he is scared of china and will continue to pollute to stay competitive with china, its fucking stupid. Thinking something is good because its affordable is insane, since we created the concept of affordable in the first place

 

[Amerikuracana]

The money wanted pollution.. That's why they funded the flaking out of the left.

 

[Necromantic]

ok. nation geographic work for you?

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-science-environment/

Sure, does posting the actual part of that you CLAIM says "I'm guessing he is talking about wanting to roll back pretty much all pollution regulation" work for you.

I scoured that article and nowhere did it say he wants to roll back most or all pollution regulation.

Maybe you can post the sentence/paragraph that you think states this, if it EXISTS and all. Or you can just admit you are using hyperbole and basically exaggerating which is a form of lying.

If you are scared to actually post a quote and only link to the page you can be pretty sure you are making shit up.

 

[7437]

Sure, does posting the actual part of that you CLAIM says "I'm guessing he is talking about wanting to roll back pretty much all pollution regulation" work for you.

I scoured that article and nowhere did it say he wants to roll back most or all pollution regulation.

Maybe you can post the sentence/paragraph that you think states this, if it EXISTS and all. Or you can just admit you are using hyperbole and basically exaggerating which is a form of lying.

If you are scared to actually post a quote and only link to the page you can be pretty sure you are making shit up.

lol, now hyperbole is lying? not real bright are you.

 

[Necromantic]

lol, now hyperbole is lying? not real bright are you.

So you don't have any evidence of what you state? You even posted a link that did not have evidence. Do you know what "citing" your work means?

The way you are using hyperbole it is not truth. Now, you can be hyperbolic and say if someone tells you to walk a mile with them walk two <-- see this is not a lie.

Not sure why you couldn't just admit that you were lying or using hyperbole to begin with like I suggested.

I am sure you will go far with your women studies degree.

 

[1pedestrian]

You're all going to die within 80 years and climate change will not be a problem for you.

Let the next generations go fuck themselves.

 

[dudeguyman]

Yeah, that's how it sounds from reading about the act that Obama put into place. Unfortunately the "journalists" got a hold of it and made sure to report it as "Trump is evil, wants to poison children" or close to that, as you saw in that list. Best part is the NY Times didn't even source a single one of those regulations in that list.

Seems like trump took a good approach to me.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

23 Environmental Rules Rolled Back in Trump’s First 100 Days
Revoked a rule that prevented coal mining companies from dumping debris into local streams.
Canceled a requirement for reporting methane emissions.
Rejected a ban on a potentially harmful insecticide.
Withdrew guidance for federal agencies to include greenhouse gas emissions in environmental reviews.
Ordered review and "elimination" of rule that protected tributaries and wetlands under the Clean Water Act.

And on and on. Get stuffed.

Don't you get it yet, this is what trump voters consider "the greatest first year of any president ever"

This is "trump getting the most done in the first year."

 

[Prutfis]

So the children's water supply contained poison prior to one of Obama's regs? Which poison? Did any kids die or get ill from the poisoning?

you don't have very high standards for Trump do you.

 

[waiguoren]

you don't have very high standards for Trump do you.

Seems irrelevant. The other dude @Rebound59 was claiming that Trump is poisoning the water supply, but he provided no evidence.

 

[all caps]

Nah, he straight called climate change a chinese hoax. I remember clearly during his campaign he said this, even tho 97% of scientist said its real. I assume the other 3% were his yes men.

 

[Prutfis]

Seems irrelevant. The other dude @Rebound59 was claiming that Trump is poisoning the water supply, but he provided no evidence.

He is certainly not cleaning it.

it just seems you set the bar fairly low for Trump. ohhh the world still existed before this regulation? well no biggie removing it then.

 

[7437]

Don't you get it yet, this is what trump voters consider "the greatest first year of any president ever"

This is "trump getting the most done in the first year."

Apparently he also doesnt want to roll back pollution regulations.

 

[Andy Capp]

Seems irrelevant. The other dude @Rebound59 was claiming that Trump is poisoning the water supply, but he provided no evidence.

More intellectual dishonesty. Meh.
The actual complaint, as you well know, is that Trump is reversing regulations intended to prevent pollution of all sorts, including water pollution, with the help of his appointee at the EPA. Source have been posted. Shit or get off the pot.

 

[waiguoren]

He is certainly not cleaning it.

it just seems you set the bar fairly low for Trump. ohhh the world still existed before this regulation? well no biggie removing it then.

One of you and me is assuming that every environmental regulation is a net positive, even without looking at the specifics. That person is not me.

 

[The Best JG]

More intellectual dishonesty. Meh.
The actual complaint, as you well know, is that Trump is reversing regulations intended to prevent pollution of all sorts, including water pollution, with the help of his appointee at the EPA. Source have been posted. Shit or get off the pot.

They dont care. All trump supporters care about is money and guns

 

[waiguoren]

More intellectual dishonesty. Meh.
The actual complaint, as you well know, is that Trump is reversing regulations intended to prevent pollution of all sorts, including water pollution, with the help of his appointee at the EPA. Source have been posted. Shit or get off the pot.

One of you and me is assuming that every environmental regulation is a net positive, even without looking at the specifics. That person is not me. You already admitted you haven't "vetted the list".

 

[waiguoren]

They dont care. All trump supporters care about is money and guns

I'm more anti-Trump than you, but I actually have reasons for it. Your argument consists of "Muh...Trump loves pollution...muh...."

 

[The Best JG]

I'm more anti-Trump than you, but I actually have reasons for it. Your argument consists of "Muh...Trump loves pollution...muh...."

I gave up on trump the day he called climate change a chinese hoax bro. Dude is short sighted and gets fixated on nonsense. Yes the people in this thread know a lot more about his internal policies than me because im not american and dont give a fuck about US politics, im much more interested in science. i just hate him for being unconservative where it matters most, like the health of the planet. Lets pollute the shit out of it so we can compete with china or china will win. That was the message i got from him, its fucked up.

 

[usmctanker242]

Yawn. U cant get something from nothing? Ok so 2 medium sized black holes collide 1.3 billion light years away, and the gravitational wave is detected here on earth and distorts the shape of our entire planet as it passes through. Since we have never detected this phenomena before, to us humans isnt that exactly being impacted by energy that was previously “nothing” ? Those black holes were ~30 solar masses. For all we know, the gravitational wave energy generated by a galaxy merger of two 5 million solar mass super massive black holes could be enough to power the entire planet for years if we can capture it. We need to invest in figuring out how to use the energy already around us efficiently instead of continuing to promote energy that ruins the planet. The future of the human race is not coal and fossil fuels. People are too obsessed with making money and being nationalistic. Countries competing with each other will ruin the planet. Trump has admitted he is scared of china and will continue to pollute to stay competitive with china, its fucking stupid. Thinking something is good because its affordable is insane, since we created the concept of affordable in the first place

Yawn... more theoretical stuff which has no place in the current energy discussion. You and I are just going around in circles.... while I agree that developing technology for FUTURE energy is good thing, we can't do what you're doing and ONLY look to the future while we're needing actual energy solutions in the mean time.

Also, energy being affordable is not a concept we've created as everything has a price; whether it's a cost in monetary units or a cost in energy units.