Law Trump just pardoned 1.5k rioters and Proud Boys.....

I'd want to see each on a case by case basis. Assaulting a cops could as small as a shoulder bump or as bad as stomping a cop's head in. I have very little sympathy for those who assault cops.

I have personally never understood the logic behind why assaulting a police officer is considered worse than assaulting a private citizen.

If anything it should be given a lesser sentence. The government are supposed to be here to serve the people, not the other way around.

For cops, getting roughed up a bit is part of the job description the same way it is for a bouncer imo. It's a physical job.
 
My point is without it being a shit show, Trump wouldn't be issuing any pardon's right now (I'm guessing). If you don't make a mess then you don't have to worry about how the next guy cleans it up.
This is too broad to just wipe it off of Trumps hands. If you want to blame Biden for prosecuting non-violent Jan 6ers, okay. Not everyone will agree but it’s a clear action his admin did.
But now the pardons are a new action. No matter how many times you categorize this as a mess/ shit show, that doesn’t change Trump and his admin easily could’ve separated out those who were found guilty for violent acts on Jan 6. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t acknowledge that’s on him for not doing so?
 
This is too broad to just wipe it off of Trumps hands. If you want to blame Biden for prosecuting non-violent Jan 6ers, okay. Not everyone will agree but it’s a clear action his admin did.
But now the pardons are a new action. No matter how many times you categorize this as a mess/ shit show, that doesn’t change Trump and his admin easily could’ve separated out those who were found guilty for violent acts on Jan 6. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t acknowledge that’s on him for not doing so?
I'm not wiping Trump's hands of anything and I already said the truly violent ones should have to serve their full sentences.
 
As a liberal it should bother you when the state uses excessive punishment to crack down civil disobedience and uses a riot as an excuse to spy on Americans.
Who was punished excessively? Who was falsely convicted?
 
What Biden did wasn’t good, but *was* necessary and justified. Not all things that are necessary are good.
Biden’s pardons are a direct consequence of Trump. If we had a POTUS who was reasonably sane, and not a vengeful authoritarian, there’d be no need for Biden to pardon people like Milley or the J6 committee, people for whom there is no evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing that Trump wants to investigate and prosecute for God-knows-what.

As long as Trump makes unprecedented threats to harm people, we will take excessive steps to protect people, and I’m happy to be on that side.

TLDR: Biden’s pardons exist to help protect people who are being threatened for no reason other than being Trump’s enemies, and Trump’s pardons exist to free people who committed violent and anf treasonous crimes because they did so with the goal of perpetrating a coup on Trump’s behalf.
I think you’re not putting enough faith in our system. Trump can use his powers to investigate possible crimes, but he can’t convict people through the courts without evidence. What biden did was NOT necessary, because we have a justice system, not a dictatorship.
 
By definition, when you pardon someone you are pardoning a criminal. It's why pardons, whole sale, undermines jurisprudence.
The word was a bit redundant but the president can pardon someone for something they haven't been found guilty of, or even of something they haven't even been charged with. I wasn't focusing on the criminal part though but that the presidents are pardoning people based on personal stakes. That's where the corruption lies.
 
I'm not wiping Trump's hands of anything and I already said the truly violent ones should have to serve their full sentences.
Ah okay. I know you said the second part originally but thought the Biden comment was ignoring that first piece. We aren’t that far apart here. I may have a harsher idea of punishment for the minor offenders involved but I can see why others don’t think they should be pulled into the more fucked up events that happened that day. We likely disagree on the events of 2020 overall but I wanted to see if there was common ground at least here so good to see.
 
Who was punished excessively? Who was falsely convicted?
I'm not going to attempt to pull up a list and start plucking out individual cases. I'll say anyone given a year or more for being somewhere they shouldn't have. In chicago you can murder someone (shoot them in the face) and be back on the streets in 2.5 years.
 
I respect you and don't think you just automatically side with the right but what Biden has done doesn't even come close to pardoning Proud Boys. Those fuckers were on the front lines directing rallyers to the Capitol, tearing down barricades, attacking cops, and inciting the crowd to breach the Capitol.


sounds like your every day touristy vacation. i mean who goes sightseeing without carrying tasers, baseball bats, ziptie handcuffs, pistols, hockey sticks, bicycle racks, tomahawks, bear spray, pipe bombs, flagpoles and all of the other accessories that comes with the territory?

i mean how else are you supposed to peacefully and patriotically beat down a bunch of cops if you don't even bring your blue lives matter flag to the guided tour to beat them with?
 
I think if we were to measure who is more consistent on views regardless of the party, I would fair much better.
I am absolutely shocked that you believe that.
The reason being I can’t really form any basic principles you hold from past posting history other than maybe nihilism.
The Biden/Harris supporter talking about having basic principles, LOL. Look, you're no different than any other holier then thou Liberal, who just can't understand why the divine Democrats would be shit canned by the public, in favor of the most evil man in the world. I get it. You're upset. Don't give me the whole "Do you have no shame?" routine, though. It's oh' so fucking tired. You just had a President pre-emptively pardon his fucking family and half of his administration(that you're really, really, mad about, I'm sure), and you want some kind of pound of flesh from me over the J6 pardons? Get the fuck outta here. I'm not about to be lectured over "principles" by a fucking Liberal who proudly kept their head in the sand over their party's borderline treasonous activities for four fucking years, and supported that oh' so "principled" candidate Kamala Harris, who literally did a 180 on every single one of her positions from four years ago. A complete flip flop of all of her "principled" positions, that you pretended to believe. Spare me the act, buddy. You don't have a leg to stand on here.
 
I am absolutely shocked that you believe that.

The Biden/Harris supporter talking about having basic principles, LOL. Look, you're no different than any other holier then thou Liberal, who just can't understand why the divine Democrats would be shit canned by the public, in favor of the most evil man in the world. I get it. You're upset. Don't give me the whole "Do you have no shame?" routine, though. It's oh' so fucking tired. You just had a President pre-emptively pardon his fucking family and half of his administration(that you're really, really, mad about, I'm sure), and you want some kind of pound of flesh from me over the J6 pardons? Get the fuck outta here. I'm not about to be lectured over "principles" by a fucking Liberal who proudly kept their head in the sand over their party's borderline treasonous activities for four fucking years,

Lmfao Trump wasn’t treasonous by trying to convince his vp not to certify an election ? The same one he claimed was fake even though his own team told him there was no evidence?

Spare us all the fake outrage



and supported that oh' so "principled" candidate Kamala Harris, who literally did a 180 on every single one of her positions from four years ago. A complete flip flop of all of her "principled" positions, that you pretended to believe. Spare me the act, buddy. You don't have a leg to stand on here.
 
It’s not like they didn’t try. They released photos of persons of interest, they set a $25,000 reward for information about it but haven’t been successful.
They flew to Alaska to raid a woman's house they thought was at J6 and she wasn't. The US government raided a home of a woman that had no involvement in J6 yet they didn't put half the effort to go after the arsonist that set fire to St. John's church and setting fire to cars.

 
That was the media, not our president lol big difference
I’m pretty sure the past VP and her party were arranging bail for those peaceful blm protesters, AOC going down and pretending to be arrested snd handcuffed in support and others encouraging them to fight. I’m not remember exactly what Biden said about those mostly peaceful blm riots though.
 
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This is literal cult member logic.
How so? Trumpists won’t challenge Trump on anything. Democrats tossed Biden out. Do you think there’s anything Trump could do to lose support? I mean he’s scammed them over a dozen times and that hasn’t made them think any differently.
 
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