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Opinion Trump is not the problem

I want to agree with him but he said Bill Clinton and then Barack Obama as if Bush Jr. wasn't smack dab in the middle of the 2 of them. Which would be fine except that he mentioned Iraq which was Bush's cross to bear.

But I agree that Trump was a pendulum swing against what's been going on in the mainstream parties. I don't think it has anything to do with Dems abandoning middle class workers. It does have to do with half the country being poor. And a large percentage of those poor people not being able to cope with why they're "poor".

They needed an excuse for changing economic demographics that allows them to maintain the fiction that they were the victims of big, bad government. Instead of the reality which is that the things they used to do for the economy just aren't that valuable anymore and they don't know how to adapt/bootstrap. That the advantages they they took for granted in the economy of the past have been slowly replaced by a more egalitarian system which leaves large swathes of them on the bottom of the country looking up, instead of looking down.

Because the poor and the uneducated struggling to get ahead didn't bother them when they could foist it off on other people being stupid or lazy. Now that they're the poor, suddenly it's systemic.

We get it. You hate white people.
 
It's not hard to understand. He's saying there were a lot of problems before Trump that weren't being addressed and that's what lead to someone like him being able to seize power.

Ergo, a symptom of an already broken system, not THE problem. Everything wasn't perfectly fine before Trump.
 
trump is an entirely different (and bigger) problem, an egomaniacal dictator who took advantage of our cultural and societal weaknesses and is now poised to seize complete power. everyone seems to think he's gonna fuckin leave in 2020 or 2024 and everyone's talking like it's still the same ol' talk from 15 years ago.

whatever problems we have as a society are completely dwarfed right now to the threat of trump and republicans. while democrats are whining about health care and banks, trump and republicans are literally trying to begin the early stages of transforming the country and reengineer it in a conservative image. they seized the supreme court with cheating, they seize the senate with gerrymandering and voter suppression, they control the bulk of governorships and state legislatures, and they understand inherent biases in the system towards their wholly unappealing agenda by manipulating propaganda and our 2 senator for every shit kicker state rules in our constitution.

when the time comes, trump supporters will completely support trump in his decisions. suspending elections, arresting political opponents and suspending term limits. he even said as much at his pennsylvania rally and then all his supporters go clucking around like little puppet twats saying "he was just joking, calm down." but trump didn't coerce that ground to chant "lock them up" and they cheered rather hard at the thought of him serving 5 terms. then when it actually happens, you see the little snakes and their fuckin viper fangs come out. so people should be far more fucking scared right now than they are with their eyes on the real threats.

but this is why democrats will lose in 2020. they are all afraid or too naive to understand the reality of what is happening. they are unprepared for this battle in 2020 and beyond. trump and republicans will absolutely win this war, and when they do, liberals and anyone that opposed him best realize quickly what a dangerous world that'll be.
 
The problem with this take is that A) Clinton won the popular vote, and almost certainly would have won the EC if not for the Comey letter (which falsifies the determinism), B) there was a Republican primary (so it's not explained at all how Obama not "penalizing the very wealthy" for the GFC got us to a position where a major party nominated someone so morally and intellectually unfit), and C) it doesn't explain why they'd choose the more pro-wealthy/anti-middle class candidate.

I agree in some sense that Trump is only a symptom of deeper problems with our politics, but what he's a symptom of is a disturbing taste for authoritarianism and rejection of rationalism on the right, along with an embrace of an alternative-reality media system.
Oooo I can tell this one was posted with extra venom.

A) Yup, Clinton won the urban troughs where most migrate too, legally or illegally. Luckily we are not ruled by 3 or 4 Metropolis who are out of touch with the rest of the country. I know, I live in one of these "King's Landings'".
B) Morally fit? Hillary... your queen? <CerseiPlotting> She is smart, I'll give her that.

C) It does. Your queen was hilariously MORE morally unfit. She did not cater enough to other areas of the country besides the places she already had. She also ostracized her own Americans while Trump only did it to illegals. Chess... not checkers.

I can't believe you still don't understand this after all of these years. Here I thought you were in the top tier of Sherdog pseudo-intellectuals.
 
The hypothesis is reasonable. I don't really like the guy - but I can't just ad hominem him.
 
trump is an entirely different (and bigger) problem, an egomaniacal dictator who took advantage of our cultural and societal weaknesses and is now poised to seize complete power. everyone seems to think he's gonna fuckin leave in 2020 or 2024 and everyone's talking like it's still the same ol' talk from 15 years ago.

Can't take you seriously after this.

A dictator?

Do you know what a dictator is?

Poised to seize complete power?

You have bought into some serious fear mongering.

THIS IS TDS, folks.


whatever problems we have as a society are completely dwarfed right now to the threat of trump and republicans. while democrats are whining about health care and banks, trump and republicans are literally trying to begin the early stages of transforming the country and reengineer it in a conservative image. they seized the supreme court with cheating, they seize the senate with gerrymandering and voter suppression, they control the bulk of governorships and state legislatures, and they understand inherent biases in the system towards their wholly unappealing agenda by manipulating propaganda and our 2 senator for every shit kicker state rules in our constitution.

Right. It's the Republicans. Democrats are the altruistic voice of reason.

You are completely wrong here. Both sides are corrupt. You are the exact mirror reflection of the opposition as both point the finger at the other guy.

when the time comes, trump supporters will completely support trump in his decisions. suspending elections, arresting political opponents and suspending term limits. he even said as much at his pennsylvania rally and then all his supporters go clucking around like little puppet twats saying "he was just joking, calm down." but trump didn't coerce that ground to chant "lock them up" and they cheered rather hard at the thought of him serving 5 terms. then when it actually happens, you see the little snakes and their fuckin viper fangs come out. so people should be far more fucking scared right now than they are with their eyes on the real threats.

Completely wrong.

I support Trump but I am highly critical of him. HIGHLY critical.

But the main reason I support him is because of my job. He's the boss. If I had my choice it would be someone else.


but this is why democrats will lose in 2020. they are all afraid or too naive to understand the reality of what is happening. they are unprepared for this battle in 2020 and beyond. trump and republicans will absolutely win this war, and when they do, liberals and anyone that opposed him best realize quickly what a dangerous world that'll be.

Sounds scary.

Are you prepared for this war?

Is this the same war where, in 2016, the liberals were certain that all of teh gays were going to be rounded up and put in concentration camps?

You are highly entertaining.

Continue to post here please.
 

Moore explained this.

No shit.....Trump is the symptom of the American people being fed up with the mainstream establishment bullshit.


Its hilarious, how a fucking Conman billionaire, somehow made people belief that was he anti establishment, that he will get rid of the swamp...hell he has even called liberals, "Elites", his fanbased loved it.

Trump exploited people's anger towards mainstream America....their hate towards the Elite/corporations(Its ironic isn't it lol)


And Hilary made it easy....250k speeches to wall street and she never released the transcripts......She played the corporate elitist role very well(Which people hated)....so when people see shit like that, they might vote in the dumbass billionaire conman.


Having said this...trump is the problem now...He has become a problem.


This is why Bernie needs to run...Trump will he seen as a lying conman with bernie next to em.
 
Anyone who wins the nomination can win the general. The issue is how Trump got that. But remember that the same voters took Bachman, Cain, and Carson very seriously. What you and I might consider a clown candidate, half the country thinks is better than a smart, decent person with experience. *That* is the problem that's deeper than Trump. It's crazy to think that Trump fans support him because Obama wasn't left wing enough.


Well, it's overly simplistic to come up with a single reason. I think a bunch of happenstance conspired to give Trump the narrow edge:

1) Hillary's lack of charisma and popular feeling that these were the two worst candidates of their lifetime
2) Lack of improvement in the lives of the lower and working class growing frustration
3) Crazy ass republican candidates (and so many of them) like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson and a disinterested Jeb Bush
4) The Comey report timing
5) Fear politics (was anything discussed at any of the Republican debates besides military spending and immigration?)
6) Massive disinformation campaigns
7) Backlash against political correctness reaching all time highs

Probably if any of the first five didn't go in Trump's favor he wouldn't be President. Instead, all worked for him. There's probably a few other items that are escaping my mind. I don't think any of the people I quoted are simplifying things to Trump won because Obama wasn't left wing enough and nothing else mattered. More of a people on the fringe were willing to say screw it, the politicians all suck so I'll give Trump a try.
 
Every time the name of Trump is spoken, typed, written, or even thought of...a member of antifa becomes a unicorn.
 
Well, it's overly simplistic to come up with a single reason. I think a bunch of happenstance conspired to give Trump the narrow edge:

1) Hillary's lack of charisma and popular feeling that these were the two worst candidates of their lifetime
2) Lack of improvement in the lives of the lower and working class growing frustration
3) Crazy ass republican candidates (and so many of them) like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson and a disinterested Jeb Bush
4) The Comey report timing
5) Fear politics (was anything discussed at any of the Republican debates besides military spending and immigration?)
6) Massive disinformation campaigns
7) Backlash against political correctness reaching all time highs

Probably if any of the first five didn't go in Trump's favor he wouldn't be President. Instead, all worked for him. There's probably a few other items that are escaping my mind. I don't think any of the people I quoted are simplifying things to Trump won because Obama wasn't left wing enough and nothing else mattered. More of a people on the fringe were willing to say screw it, the politicians all suck so I'll give Trump a try.

I'd say that by far the No. 1 reason he won the general was that he had the nomination, and Republicans were particularly fired up to vote after eight years out of the WH. He still got a smaller vote share than Romney, so I think any explanation that depends on him having a particular appeal to voters is wrong. I don't put any stock in your first one, as it is unquantifiable and highly subject to bias. Further, the MSM has to treat both candidates as equal at all times, so the worse one is, the worse they're going to portray the other as.

As far as why he won the nomination, see my earlier point. Carson was looking very strong at one point. In 2012, Bachman, Cain, and Paul all had runs of being at or near the top of the polls. The voters are increasingly out of touch with reality, authoritarian, contemptuous of expertise, and accepting of liars. Also, name recognition is a big factor in a race with a shipload of candidates.
 
He's not the problem but he is a problem.

However I will say that he's more of a symptom than anything.

People are tired of bullshit. And people have been dealing with bullshit for a long time. They're tired of people who don't actually care about them or their well-being. The government is supposed to serve the people, and for a long time it's been the other way around. The government and their tool, the media, have the ability to stir people up emotionally but I think deep down everyone knows that Fox News, CNN, MSNBC and every other acronym of anchors don't give a flying fuck about what is actually going on in the world today.

They're tired of seeing smirking assholes on camera telling them that they're going to make things right, and then nothing happens.

So they basically told all the politicians, all the people who are trying to tell them what to believe, to go fuck themselves. The gesture of voting for Trump I think for a large number of people was a collective equivalent of "fuck you." They know Trump is a joke. They know he's childish and they know that he's detrimental to modern politics- and I think that's the point.

Now there's no doubt that many people voted for Trump because they really did think he would protect them, build a wall and do all the things he said he was going to do. Many also undoubtedly voted for him simply because they're republicans. But there were many who are simply frustrated with a rotten system and I think those in combination with the other two types of people, some of whom converge but many of whom may not, all pooled in the Trump camp, was just way too much, especially for a shitty candidate like Clinton.
 
trump is an entirely different (and bigger) problem, an egomaniacal dictator who took advantage of our cultural and societal weaknesses and is now poised to seize complete power. everyone seems to think he's gonna fuckin leave in 2020 or 2024 and everyone's talking like it's still the same ol' talk from 15 years ago.

whatever problems we have as a society are completely dwarfed right now to the threat of trump and republicans. while democrats are whining about health care and banks, trump and republicans are literally trying to begin the early stages of transforming the country and reengineer it in a conservative image. they seized the supreme court with cheating, they seize the senate with gerrymandering and voter suppression, they control the bulk of governorships and state legislatures, and they understand inherent biases in the system towards their wholly unappealing agenda by manipulating propaganda and our 2 senator for every shit kicker state rules in our constitution.

when the time comes, trump supporters will completely support trump in his decisions. suspending elections, arresting political opponents and suspending term limits. he even said as much at his pennsylvania rally and then all his supporters go clucking around like little puppet twats saying "he was just joking, calm down." but trump didn't coerce that ground to chant "lock them up" and they cheered rather hard at the thought of him serving 5 terms. then when it actually happens, you see the little snakes and their fuckin viper fangs come out. so people should be far more fucking scared right now than they are with their eyes on the real threats.

but this is why democrats will lose in 2020. they are all afraid or too naive to understand the reality of what is happening. they are unprepared for this battle in 2020 and beyond. trump and republicans will absolutely win this war, and when they do, liberals and anyone that opposed him best realize quickly what a dangerous world that'll be.
This is completely insane.
 
The problem is that Americans have gotten so weak and feeble they look to political leaders as their lord and savior. The reality is that change is within every person’s grasp. But people avoid that internal struggle like cowards and then take all that negativity and spill it out to the rest of the world. So fundamentally it’s a spiritual/psyche issue. Stop acting like your demons will be pacified by some new law. Everyone should really shut the fuck up and deal with the hate within their own hearts. David Goggins is on of many laying down this path. See what guys like that are doing. Fuxk these politicians.
 
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trump is an entirely different (and bigger) problem, an egomaniacal dictator who took advantage of our cultural and societal weaknesses and is now poised to seize complete power. everyone seems to think he's gonna fuckin leave in 2020 or 2024 and everyone's talking like it's still the same ol' talk from 15 years ago.

whatever problems we have as a society are completely dwarfed right now to the threat of trump and republicans. while democrats are whining about health care and banks, trump and republicans are literally trying to begin the early stages of transforming the country and reengineer it in a conservative image. they seized the supreme court with cheating, they seize the senate with gerrymandering and voter suppression, they control the bulk of governorships and state legislatures, and they understand inherent biases in the system towards their wholly unappealing agenda by manipulating propaganda and our 2 senator for every shit kicker state rules in our constitution.

when the time comes, trump supporters will completely support trump in his decisions. suspending elections, arresting political opponents and suspending term limits. he even said as much at his pennsylvania rally and then all his supporters go clucking around like little puppet twats saying "he was just joking, calm down." but trump didn't coerce that ground to chant "lock them up" and they cheered rather hard at the thought of him serving 5 terms. then when it actually happens, you see the little snakes and their fuckin viper fangs come out. so people should be far more fucking scared right now than they are with their eyes on the real threats.

but this is why democrats will lose in 2020. they are all afraid or too naive to understand the reality of what is happening. they are unprepared for this battle in 2020 and beyond. trump and republicans will absolutely win this war, and when they do, liberals and anyone that opposed him best realize quickly what a dangerous world that'll be.
And I'm the "CTer" <Lmaoo> take a look at this right here
 
This is completely insane.

There lies the big part of the problem.

Liberals who had the reputation of being the “rational one” compared to their conservative counterparts completely lost their collective mind since trump came in.

Conservatives were usually more prone to superstition n wild conspiracies, but now liberals took over.

There’s no more critical thinking. It’s all groupthink n everybody repeating the same talking points no matter how ridiculous they are.

I guess for them the entire world got turn upside down n they are still in denial.

In their mind Someone like trump shouldn’t be winning elections in western worldn n Ppl should just reject him from the start.

Now Instead of acknowledging what happen n accepting part of the blame. They just decide to double n triple down in their delusion.

It’s everybody else to blame but themselves.

It’s the: Russians, racists, deplorables, uneducated, sexists, xenophobes, homophobes, old white males, Fox News, alt right memes, fake news...
 
And I'm the "CTer" <Lmaoo> take a look at this right here

What do you think is a CT in that?

I'd say first that there's a mistake in that gerrymandering doesn't affect the Senate and that the re-engineering is more partisan than ideological. And then I'd expect Trump's attempt to have his political opponents arrested is likely to fail, I'm not concerned about presidential term limits, and suspending elections is unlikely, though we know that Trump will say that he was cheated if he loses, and there could be a real challenge to our system. So our Constitution is in danger, but the threat level is exaggerated there. I think it's a safe bet that you and many other posters here will enthusiastically cheer on attempts to destroy our system, though. How many WRers were supportive of the GOP's desire to steal the 2016 election by having the frontrunner arrested on bullshit charges right before the election? That's your guide to the number who opposes rule of law and democracy.
 
There lies the big part of the problem.

Liberals who had the reputation of being the “rational one” compared to their conservative counterparts completely lost their collective mind since trump came in.

Conservatives were usually more prone to superstition n wild conspiracies, but now liberals took over.

There’s no more critical thinking. It’s all groupthink n everybody repeating the same talking points no matter how ridiculous they are.

I guess for them the entire world got turn upside down n they are still in denial.

In their mind Someone like trump shouldn’t be winning elections in western worldn n Ppl should just reject him from the start.

Now Instead of acknowledging what happen n accepting part of the blame. They just decide to double n triple down in their delusion.

It’s everybody else to blame but themselves.

It’s the: Russians, racists, deplorables, uneducated, sexists, xenophobes, homophobes, old white males, Fox News, alt right memes, fake news...
It reads like a goofy antifa manifesto that is used to justify violence. Only the lowest of IQs would believe it.
 

Moore explained this.

No shit.....Trump is the symptom of the American people being fed up with the mainstream establishment bullshit.


Its hilarious, how a fucking Conman billionaire, somehow made people belief that was he anti establishment, that he will get rid of the swamp...hell he has even called liberals, "Elites", his fanbased loved it.

Trump exploited people's anger towards mainstream America....their hate towards the Elite/corporations(Its ironic isn't it lol)


And Hilary made it easy....250k speeches to wall street and she never released the transcripts......She played the corporate elitist role very well(Which people hated)....so when people see shit like that, they might vote in the dumbass billionaire conman.


Having said this...trump is the problem now...He has become a problem.


This is why Bernie needs to run...Trump will he seen as a lying conman with bernie next to em.


And you don't think Bernie is a lying conman as well? Seriously when will we learn. We haven't had a non corrupt, elitist, corporation/banks/MIC serving president since the 1800s. If Bernie got (s)elected you can bet he's gong to be just like the rest.
 
What do you think is a CT in that?

I'd say first that there's a mistake in that gerrymandering doesn't affect the Senate and that the re-engineering is more partisan than ideological. And then I'd expect Trump's attempt to have his political opponents arrested is likely to fail, I'm not concerned about presidential term limits, and suspending elections is unlikely, though we know that Trump will say that he was cheated if he loses, and there could be a real challenge to our system. So our Constitution is in danger, but the threat level is exaggerated there. I think it's a safe bet that you and many other posters here will enthusiastically cheer on attempts to destroy our system, though. How many WRers were supportive of the GOP's desire to steal the 2016 election by having the frontrunner arrested on bullshit charges right before the election? That's your guide to the number who opposes rule of law and democracy.


I recently read something online that stated more than 50% of republicans polled would gladly cancel the 2020 election

So yeah your point of arresting the front runner in 2016 is completely logical. It’s something the republican base wanted.
 
I agree in some sense that Trump is only a symptom of deeper problems with our politics, but what he's a symptom of is a disturbing taste for authoritarianism and rejection of rationalism on the right, along with an embrace of an alternative-reality media system.
?? Obama is the guy who passed the Iran deal (not a treaty) with an executive order bypassing Congress. Among other things. Trump didn't give himself emergency powers, etc. That was all other presidents, many of whom were democrats. You're just mad that Trump isn't your guy.
 
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