Opinion Trump is not the problem

[Renard]

Jimmy needs to evolve.

When Trump is legitimately the only person who can arm Saudi Arabia after Congress says no, then yes, he is 100% the problem.

Oh really, "legitimately" the only one? You do realize countries are lining up to snag contracts. Both the UK and Spain have sold weapons to SA before, and Russia is the world's second exporter of weapons. You've missed a couple of memos if you think that if the US turns down the contract, S.A. will shrug and say "Welp, I guess we're not getting weapons." Oh they're getting weapons, you'd best believe it, and you can either take their money or someone else will.

 

[Fawlty]

Generally people wouldn't resort to comedians or amateur celebrities with little knowledge and experience if there wasn't inherent glaring faults

Is this a joke? This is America, man. We're reaping the rewards of reality shows and the Tea Party. It's all about populist horse shit, way way more than it is about listening to anybody with knowledge.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

Sounds like one of the few true Liberals.

As Rare as the Siberian Tiger.

lol@"true Liberals". Spoken by the man who claims to have been one himself until some college co-eds with brightly colored hair scared him out of the party.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yanis Varoufakis had kind of the same thoughts.

He basically attributed the failure of the Obama administration to penalize the very wealthy for the credit crunch and instead putting a burden on the tax payer is what resulted in Trump. Somehow the .01 percent became ridiculously wealthier from the crash and rebound and everyone else had to eat cake.

Slavoj Zizek also points out that the disaster of Trump was a symptom, and not a cause.

It's really not much of a rebellious position to take to be honest. Generally people wouldn't resort to comedians or amateur celebrities with little knowledge and experience if there wasn't inherent glaring faults in the system of politicians doing what they should be, fighting for the betterment of the populace instead of looking after the interest of the elite class much more so than everyone else.

The problem with this take is that A) Clinton won the popular vote, and almost certainly would have won the EC if not for the Comey letter (which falsifies the determinism), B) there was a Republican primary (so it's not explained at all how Obama not "penalizing the very wealthy" for the GFC got us to a position where a major party nominated someone so morally and intellectually unfit), and C) it doesn't explain why they'd choose the more pro-wealthy/anti-middle class candidate.

I agree in some sense that Trump is only a symptom of deeper problems with our politics, but what he's a symptom of is a disturbing taste for authoritarianism and rejection of rationalism on the right, along with an embrace of an alternative-reality media system.

 

[dittohead84]

Orange Clown? Oh fuck off Jimmy Dore. You have your moments but showing yourself as just another retard. Greatest President ever!

Has exposed a lot of supposed intellectuals as brainwashed. A few of them here

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

The problem with this take is that A) Clinton won the popular vote, and almost certainly would have won the EC if not for the Comey letter (which falsifies the determinism), B) there was a Republican primary (so it's not explained at all how Obama not "penalizing the very wealthy" for the GFC got us to a position where a major party nominated someone so morally and intellectually unfit), and C) it doesn't explain why they'd choose the more pro-wealthy/anti-middle class candidate.

I agree in some sense that Trump is only a symptom of deeper problems with our politics, but what he's a symptom of is a disturbing taste for authoritarianism and rejection of rationalism on the right, along with an embrace of an alternative-reality media system.

Clinton may have won the popular vote, but Trump deserved to never be even within a whiff of the White House. He really should have been laughed off from the beginning. He beyond overachieved by just winning the Republican nomination. His credentials, knowledge and intelligence should have gotten him no further than a random clown. The rest about being pro-wealthy etc is understandable from a logical perspective, but the whole point is the complete willingness of a destruction of logic and just lashing out for something "different".

It in my mind was clearly a mistake to elect Dolan. I agree with Zizek in that Trump can only be described as a disaster. But the question is what made people lash out for such absurdity that should have never made it anywhere.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Clinton may have won the popular vote, but Trump deserved to never be even within a whiff of the White House. He really should have been laughed off from the beginning. He beyond overachieved by just winning the Republican nomination. His credentials, knowledge and intelligence should have gotten him no further than a random clown. The rest about being pro-wealthy etc is understandable from a logical perspective, but the whole point is the complete willingness of a destruction of logic and just lashing out for something "different".

Anyone who wins the nomination can win the general. The issue is how Trump got that. But remember that the same voters took Bachman, Cain, and Carson very seriously. What you and I might consider a clown candidate, half the country thinks is better than a smart, decent person with experience. *That* is the problem that's deeper than Trump. It's crazy to think that Trump fans support him because Obama wasn't left wing enough.

 

[panamaican]

I want to agree with him but he said Bill Clinton and then Barack Obama as if Bush Jr. wasn't smack dab in the middle of the 2 of them. Which would be fine except that he mentioned Iraq which was Bush's cross to bear.

But I agree that Trump was a pendulum swing against what's been going on in the mainstream parties. I don't think it has anything to do with Dems abandoning middle class workers. It does have to do with half the country being poor. And a large percentage of those poor people not being able to cope with why they're "poor".

They needed an excuse for changing economic demographics that allows them to maintain the fiction that they were the victims of big, bad government. Instead of the reality which is that the things they used to do for the economy just aren't that valuable anymore and they don't know how to adapt/bootstrap. That the advantages they they took for granted in the economy of the past have been slowly replaced by a more egalitarian system which leaves large swathes of them on the bottom of the country looking up, instead of looking down.

Because the poor and the uneducated struggling to get ahead didn't bother them when they could foist it off on other people being stupid or lazy. Now that they're the poor, suddenly it's systemic.

 

[76Knockout]

I want to agree with him but he said Bill Clinton and then Barack Obama as if Bush Jr. wasn't smack dab in the middle of the 2 of them. Which would be fine except that he mentioned Iraq which was Bush's cross to bear.

But I agree that Trump was a pendulum swing against what's been going on in the mainstream parties. I don't think it has anything to do with Dems abandoning middle class workers. It does have to do with half the country being poor. And a large percentage of those poor people not being able to cope with why they're "poor".

They needed an excuse for changing economic demographics that allows them to maintain the fiction that they were the victims of big, bad government. Instead of the reality which is that the things they used to do for the economy just aren't that valuable anymore and they don't know how to adapt/bootstrap. That the advantages they they took for granted in the economy of the past have been slowly replaced by a more egalitarian system which leaves large swathes of them on the bottom of the country looking up, instead of looking down.

Because the poor and the uneducated struggling to get ahead didn't bother them when they could foist it off on other people being stupid or lazy. Now that they're the poor, suddenly it's systemic.

Pretty sure he focuses mainly on what the democrats have been doing wrong because he’s passionate about liberal ideals and gets more upset with democrats fucking up and being corrupt more than anything else.

 

[DIDM]

He’s not a problem, he’s our savior

 

[Jack V Savage]

Pretty sure he focuses mainly on what the democrats have been doing wrong because he’s passionate about liberal ideals and gets more upset with democrats fucking up and being corrupt more than anything else.

The thing is, his hatred of Democrats leads him to a stupid position. He's trying to explain why he thinks liberals voted for Trump while not even seeming to realize that 99% (literally) of Trump voters are people who vote for any Republican candidate. The important question is how the party got so fucked up that someone like that was seen as a real candidate. That obviously has nothing to do with Obama not being a radical leftist. Shit, three-quarters of those idiots think he *was* a radical leftist.

 

[xcvbn]

Is this a joke? This is America, man. We're reaping the rewards of reality shows and the Tea Party. It's all about populist horse shit, way way more than it is about listening to anybody with knowledge.

The people who led us into Iraq and who have drastically shifted wealth from the bottom to the top is what "listening to anybody with knowledge" has gotten us.

Not saying we should knee-jerk into populism ala Trump, but it's obvious a sizable percentage of the population yearns for more than the status quo- which for decades has been "Socialism for the rich, Austerity for the poor".

 

[panamaican]

Pretty sure he focuses mainly on what the democrats have been doing wrong because he’s passionate about liberal ideals and gets more upset with democrats fucking up and being corrupt more than anything else.

I'm sure he does. Just like I level more criticism at the GOP because I lean conservative.

But it's not good analysis of Trump to say "Dems this and Dems that" because before Trump beat the Dems, he had to first beat the establishment GOP. And they didn't want him any more than the Dem's did. But when the GOP's failure to govern reached a zenith, they lost control of their party thus opening the door for Trump to walk through.

He won a close race with the Dems, he manhandled the GOP. The problem that he exists to correct is within the GOP.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The people who led us into Iraq and who have drastically shifted wealth from the bottom to the top is what "listening to anybody with knowledge" has gotten us.

If we listened to experts, we wouldn't have had the Bush or Trump tax cuts, we'd have fewer housing restrictions, we would have had more stimulus, and we would not have gone into Iraq.

 

[franklinstower]

I am a Conservative/Libertarian.... and I 100% respect Jimmy Dore. He one of the Liberals I follow. The man is honest.

Check out "secular talk". He is more honest and more informed too. Better in every way.

 

[AngryPorto]

Well, yeah and most still don't get it. It kills me how out of touch people are when they tell me I vote against my interests if I vote conservative. er..... if you think the left is addressing the issues of the middle class, you are a retard.

Neo-liberals aren't, but the actual surging progressive left is.

 

[Rod1]

Well, yeah and most still don't get it. It kills me how out of touch people are when they tell me I vote against my interests if I vote conservative. er..... if you think the left is addressing the issues of the middle class, you are a retard.

Again, implying Trump is the only conservative out there. And it also implies Bernie didnt had a similar pro-worker speech either.

 

[Darkballs]

All he's doing is pointing out that the problems within the republican party precede trump. He's right, but I fail to see how that's a sick burn against liberals.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

That's bullshit. We just wanted to vote against the black guy in Hillary.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

I'm sure he does. Just like I level more criticism at the GOP because I lean conservative.

But it's not good analysis of Trump to say "Dems this and Dems that" because before Trump beat the Dems, he had to first beat the establishment GOP. And they didn't want him any more than the Dem's did. But when the GOP's failure to govern reached a zenith, they lost control of their party thus opening the door for Trump to walk through.

He won a close race with the Dems, he manhandled the GOP. The problem that he exists to correct is within the GOP.

You're right. It is true that GOP didn't rig their primary like the dems.