Elections Trump Indicted On 91 Counts

[CatchnShoot]

Yea, apart from the Solicitor General being very nervous at the start of her testimony (she caught her stride very quickly, but I felt bad for her for a couple seconds) I think each side was represented very well. Whatever the outcome, this wasn't a massive counsel failure like Alina Habba was.

Like I said though, the questions from Scotus seemed far more adversarial toward CO than it was to the appellant, which leads me to believe that they already had their decisions made.

I always believed that SCOTUS would not affirm though, so I may have some bias informing my take.

 

[CatchnShoot]

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Having said all that, this part baffles me:
The President of the United States speaks what is literally referred to as the oath of office, wherein the person must state, "I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States", while section three of article 14 of the US constitution reads, "or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States...who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States," and yet it seems like the argument that the President is not actually actually an officer of the United States may carry some weight with the Supremes. I am most interested in their decision on that aspect of the case.

Why recognize the obvious when you can equivocate over minutiae that supports your initial opinion?

The same arguments put forth by the minority opinions on CO Supreme court brought forth... "it doesn't SPECIFICALLY name the President".

No, secton 3 does NOT SPECIFICALLY list the president, because it should be self-fucking evident.

I'm glad I decided not to go into Law, I would have been miserable.

 

[emefer]

I always imagine Donny, on a giant baby changing table banging out Truths, at 3 AM while laying on his back with his feet in the air, while some poor Schmuck is changing his diaper and powdering his fats rolls so he does not chaff.

I imagine that at night his pants are removed and he’s placed in stirrups, like a woman at the gynecologist, and a bucket is placed below his asshole to capture his droppings.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Donald Trump paid more than $2.3 million in donor money to law firms helping Ivanka Trump with her legal problems last year

The lawyers represented Ivanka Trump in the New York civil fraud lawsuit over the Trump Organization's finances.

www.businessinsider.com

Trumps PAC has paid 7.6 million for his kids lawyers.
Some say the reason he lost to Biden in 2020 was he left a bunch of money in his PAC, now he is spending Rube money on lawyers for his kids. I can understand if he was using Rube money for elections defense, but for his tax shit in NY has nothing to do with running for President.
P.T Barnum is in his grave giving Diaper Don a thumbs up, because Donny has found multiple suckers.

You have to make sure you read the fine print and uncheck any recurring boxes before donating to TR7MP.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I have no doubt that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of Trump.

It's a stone cold lock.

i missed the whole arguments and stuff but yeah this aint it. at least i don't expect it to be.

this oughtta be the fraudy orange rapists only win inside of a courtroom for quite some time. he better savor it.

 

[44nutman]

Trump still running things like a New York goon.


"

Rudy Giuliani: Trump Stiffed Him $2 Million​

He testified in bankruptcy court.

• Ron Filipkowski
• 5 hours ago

Rudy Giuliani testified in bankruptcy court on Wednesday that he was doing well financially making great money at a prestigious law firm until Donald Trump asked him to take over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. Now, three years later, he is broke and insolvent.
Giuliani said he was forced to finally file for bankruptcy because of the $148 million judgment against him from Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss and other pending lawsuits against him. He also testified that, despite sacrificing everything for Trump, Donald Trump's campaign ."

More from Drunk Rudy's testimony.
He said he had a million dollar+ job with a law firm before he took over the Trump voter fraud bullshit. It makes sense he was making that much, because he has political stroke. I mean he got the Oxy Cotin owner off with only paying fines for murdering people. Rudy would be great hanging around your law firm as long as you kept his hopped up on Viagra ass away from any women in the office.
I am unsure of Rudy's motivation to throw his life away trying to over throw an election. There are multiple reasons why Rudy did it. He was hanging around Russians around that time, so maybe they made the call, Rudy's arrogance, Trump has dirt on him or Trump promised Rudy a cabinet spot to throw his life away. Any which way, Rudy's downfall has been spectacular to watch. Dude could have costed on being America's Mayor until his last breath.

 

[Seano]

I imagine that at night his pants are removed and he’s placed in stirrups, like a woman at the gynecologist, and a bucket is placed below his asshole to capture his droppings.

This is not the type of thing a well adjusted person thinks. Do you honestly think this is a thing a normal person would say? This comes straight from your brain.

 

[CatchnShoot]

This is not the type of thing a well adjusted person thinks. Do you honestly think this is a thing a normal person would say? This comes straight from your brain.

I don't think one should be thinking about anybody else's toileting habits, apart from one's own newborn child, but Smelvis makes people act strangely

 

[Andy Capp]

Why recognize the obvious when you can equivocate over minutiae that supports your initial opinion?

The same arguments put forth by the minority opinions on CO Supreme court brought forth... "it doesn't SPECIFICALLY name the President".

No, secton 3 does NOT SPECIFICALLY list the president, because it should be self-fucking evident.

I'm glad I decided not to go into Law, I would have been miserable.

I feel like I should have because I get right into pedantic shit like that for fun

Yea, apart from the Solicitor General being very nervous at the start of her testimony (she caught her stride very quickly, but I felt bad for her for a couple seconds) I think each side was represented very well. Whatever the outcome, this wasn't a massive counsel failure like Alina Habba was.

Like I said though, the questions from Scotus seemed far more adversarial toward CO than it was to the appellant, which leads me to believe that they already had their decisions made.

I always believed that SCOTUS would not affirm though, so I may have some bias informing my take.

I thought they came across as more adversarial because they placed greater onus on the State to disqualify the candidate than they did on Trump to qualify himself. That doesn't mean the State's argument was less persuasive. That could be true anyway, mind you. There was one occasion at the very end where they just cut her off and said, that's all thank you. Sounds like they were tired of hearing from here but who knows? I've never listened to US Supreme Court oral arguments before so maybe that happens all the time for all I know.

The week-long wait does suck, though, all in all.

 

[Andy Capp]

i missed the whole arguments and stuff but yeah this aint it. at least i don't expect it to be.

this oughtta be the fraudy orange rapists only win inside of a courtroom for quite some time. he better savor it.

Not being disqualified is hardly a win.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I'm not committed to an opinion on the bold text either way. Like I said in the previous post, it is self evident to me he's ineligible under section 3, but Trump's lawyer made what sounded like good arguments against that (can't say if they actually good are or not due to lack of knowledge, but I'm going by how the judges responded) while the State's lawyers were arguing affirmatively and that just automatically sounds less forceful, if not less convincing to the judges or to me, so I get why people are pessimistic--or optimistic depending upon your desired outcome, obviously.

To me, it sounds really iffy either way but I think it's generally understood it would be unlikely to stand against a heavily partisan SCOTUS.

One thing I have to admit I liked about the Trump lawyer's argument was when he conceded that Trump being an apparent exception to the rule (according to their argument), because he had not previously been an elected official, is weird and possibly a bit stupid, but it's the way the law is written--according to their argument. No dummy, this guy, unlike a lot of Trump's legal representation. Must have paid him in advance.

the main issue has always been whether a state can decide on behalf of the country who can go on a federal presidential ballot, given that the consequence has nationwide consequences.

i think that alone is why this case was destined to fail from the start. i never seen it going anywhere. and then suddenly the colorado supreme court ruled against trump lol. i was just surprised that this case even managed to go this far.

 

[Iron Mang]

I'm not committed to an opinion on the bold text either way. Like I said in the previous post, it is self evident to me he's ineligible under section 3, but Trump's lawyer made what sounded like good arguments against that (can't say if they actually good are or not due to lack of knowledge, but I'm going by how the judges responded) while the State's lawyers were arguing affirmatively and that just automatically sounds less forceful, if not less convincing to the judges or to me, so I get why people are pessimistic--or optimistic depending upon your desired outcome, obviously.

To me, it sounds really iffy either way but I think it's generally understood it would be unlikely to stand against a heavily partisan SCOTUS.

One thing I have to admit I liked about the Trump lawyer's argument was when he conceded that Trump being an apparent exception to the rule (according to their argument), because he had not previously been an elected official, is weird and possibly a bit stupid, but it's the way the law is written--according to their argument. No dummy, this guy, unlike a lot of Trump's legal representation. Must have paid him in advance.

He did sound strangely competent for a Trump lawyer!! lmao!

 

[Andy Capp]

More from Drunk Rudy's testimony.
He said he had a million dollar+ job with a law firm before he took over the Trump voter fraud bullshit. It makes sense he was making that much, because he has political stroke. I mean he got the Oxy Cotin owner off with only paying fines for murdering people. Rudy would be great hanging around your law firm as long as you kept his hopped up on Viagra ass away from any women in the office.
I am unsure of Rudy's motivation to throw his life away trying to over throw an election. There are multiple reasons why Rudy did it. He was hanging around Russians around that time, so maybe they made the call, Rudy's arrogance, Trump has dirt on him or Trump promised Rudy a cabinet spot to throw his life away. Any which way, Rudy's downfall has been spectacular to watch. Dude could have costed on being America's Mayor until his last breath.

So true, so fucking sad, so fuck him.

 

[Seano]

I don't think one should be thinking about anybody else's toileting habits, apart from one's own newborn child, but Smelvis makes people act strangely

I'm not a fan of Joe Biden but I don't make up scat porn fantasies to beat off to about him.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

oh fuck, it's all starting to come together now.

it turns out that nancy pelosi was just so mad about cheeto benito getting destroyed in the election that she started an insurrection at the capitol in hopes that her much adored citizen trump would not have to leave office after his term expired. and then nikki haley dropped the ball on capitol security so this is where we're at now.

over 1300 maga trash have since gotten themselves arrested for their crimes at the capitol just to own the libs. nikki haley needs to send citizen trump an apology letter for not stepping up security to fight back against those enraged bitch boy insurrectionists who were beating up cops with their blue lives matter flags, and nancy pelosi needs to apologize to citizen trump for sending the finest spectrum of short bus trumptards over to the capitol to do his bidding after antifa told her to fuck off.

 

[Andy Capp]

the main issue has always been whether a state can decide on behalf of the country who can go on a federal presidential ballot, given that the consequence has nationwide consequences.

i think that alone is why this case was destined to fail from the start. i never seen it going anywhere. and then suddenly the colorado supreme court ruled against trump lol. i was just surprised that this case even managed to go this far.

Understood. The arguments for and against that were mostly over my head since they relied on references to other parts of the constitution with which I am not terribly familiar, if at all. But from what I understood of them I got the impression Colorado gave rather a good accounting for itself on that question.

 

[curryjunkie]

Yea, apart from the Solicitor General being very nervous at the start of her testimony (she caught her stride very quickly, but I felt bad for her for a couple seconds) I think each side was represented very well. Whatever the outcome, this wasn't a massive counsel failure like Alina Habba was.

Like I said though, the questions from Scotus seemed far more adversarial toward CO than it was to the appellant, which leads me to believe that they already had their decisions made.

I always believed that SCOTUS would not affirm though, so I may have some bias informing my take.

not really surprised with a republican majority on the court.

 

[HARRISON_3]

Trumps PAC has paid 7.6 million for his kids lawyers.

now he is spending Rube money on lawyers for his kids. I can understand if he was using Rube money for elections defense, but for his tax shit in NY has nothing to do with running for President.
P.T Barnum is in his grave giving Diaper Don a thumbs up, because Donny has found multiple suckers.

"A political action group controlled by Donald Trump has spent millions of dollars on law firms representing his adult children for their personal legal problems.

The Save America PAC spent a combined $2.3 million in 2023 for two law firms that represented Ivanka Trump, his elder daughter, according to a Business Insider review of Federal Election Commission records.

The PAC spent an additional $5.3 million on the law firm Robert & Robert, which represented his three eldest children — Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Donald Trump Jr. — as well as the Trump Organization in an array of lawsuits that have no apparent relation to Trump's campaign to retake the presidency in the 2024 election."

I think we have uncovered a *third tier of justice.

 

[Paynebringer]

I have no doubt that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of Trump.

It's a stone cold lock.

Yep! They don't wanna touch that kind of smoke, just gonna have to nail his orange ass in Washington, New York, Florida, or Georgia.

 

[CatchnShoot]

What is sad is that they have just flushed Section III of the 14th amendment. It's there for a reason Scrotus.

Slippery slope my arsehole.... ALL members of government regardless of position should be excluded from the office of presidency if they commit an insurrection against the constitution.
It's not worded to be a slope, it's worded to be a cliff...as in push insurrectionist the fuck out... full stop.