Social Trump Going After Academic Autonomy

[The Diplomat]

Well, it's here now, and low and behold, you only seem to ever find problems with one side...

I complained about my side plenty. About how we had it good for a minute - gay marriage, legal weed and a black president. All those years we fought, and the next gen sprung up and said it wasn't good enough and needed something to fight for. I said the over sensitivity post-2015 was going to create reactionaries, which it did. I said moderation was the key in regards to national elections, and it worked with zombie Biden 2020.

Gun to my head, I'd choose the party of FDR, Kennedy and Clinton over Nixon, Reagan and Bush Jr.

But with Trump causing chaos, it's just a bunch of "Let's wait and see." from his diehards. No individual thought. Just tribalism to own the libs.

 

[nostradumbass]

Then by that logic, a whoooooole bunch of churches should also lose their tax exempt status. But we all know that won't happen.

Like 16,000 churches and religious organizations already have.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

What is funy is trying to create terms like academic autonomy, and autocratic breakthrough, blah blah and then make a dozen paragraph OP of word salad. Lmaooooo!!!

How about don’t allow a tens of billions of dollar institution, which is annually, year over year, plus be tax free, while the professors there get stinking rich, like Elizabeth Warren and her husband. Like these people rub it in your face and democrats just eat it up like fucking retards every single time.

 

[Rob Battisti]

What is funy is trying to create terms like academic autonomy, and autocratic breakthrough, blah blah and then make a dozen paragraph OP of word salad. Lmaooooo!!!

How about don’t allow a tens of billions of dollar institution, which is annually, year over year, plus be tax free, while the professors there get stinking rich, like Elizabeth Warren and her husband. Like these people rub it in your face and democrats just eat it up like fucking retards every single time.

Calling Harvard a non-profit is insane

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Calling Harvard a non-profit is insane

Plus, again, 9 billion a year? I didn’t initially believe that, seeing it being posted on conservative Twitter as this fued had brewed. But even google AI says it is true. Anyone can dispute as they want, but link is below.


Actually spoiler for the link since so long, but anyone can google, “federal funding to Harvard?”

Spoiler

Google Search

Meanwhile their professors get hundreds of thousands in salary, plus hundred of thousand forcing their students to buy constantly renewing law books, authored by people like Elizabeth Warren, etc.

Completely broken business model, more so than even Trump university, but no liberal will complain

And even if we are saying we are investing in sciences and America, blah blah, we just let China steal the intellectual property

 

[Rob Battisti]

It’s essentially a hedge fund with a university attached.

 

[italiamusica]

I'm overjoyed to see DEI programs dismantled. It's a racist-based philosophy, and a scourge.

The "viewpoint diversity" stuff I don't care for even if I don't particularly pity academics in the humanities who have for far too long clearly built a political groupthink culture within their own ranks.

People like you are hilarious and sad, because you think DEI stuff is in place to hire mentally challenged "minorities" who have no qualifications, over some white dude who has worked hard his whole life to get a job. It's legit fucking insanity.

But it's totally OK for these people to now force schools and businesses to hire Christian Conservatives? Get out of here.

 

[italiamusica]

Then by that logic, a whoooooole bunch of churches should also lose their tax exempt status. But we all know that won't happen.

As they should, fuck them and all the mega churches and dudes with private jets and mansions all over the world. THIS is the biggest fucking grift of all time, it's bullshit. But the supporters are dumb fucks who think the money is going to Jesus apparently.

 

[jk7707]

It’s essentially a hedge fund with a university attached.

If that's an issue it can be brought up separately.

Using it as a threat to bend how a private university operates to the will of the federal government is a blatant violation of the first amendment.

 

[Cantalope]

What is funy is trying to create terms like academic autonomy, and autocratic breakthrough, blah blah and then make a dozen paragraph OP of word salad. Lmaooooo!!!

How about don’t allow a tens of billions of dollar institution, which is annually, year over year, plus be tax free, while the professors there get stinking rich, like Elizabeth Warren and her husband. Like these people rub it in your face and democrats just eat it up like fucking retards every single time.

I still think the Democrats messed up in 2016 pushing for Hilary. Bernie had the people and I really belive he could have beaten Trump.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I still think the Democrats messed up in 2016 pushing for Hilary. Bernie had the people and I really belive he could have beaten Trump.

he was the ONLY true choice. I said right on here that the DNC was responsible for the fall of America and it would end in violence and death in the streets of the United States. I was right and we are well on the way. this is going to get ugly.

with the backing of establishment Democrats Bernie would have dominated trump.

we had a clear choice between good and evil and the DNC wanted a lesser villain rather than the truth.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

People like you are hilarious and sad, because you think DEI stuff is in place to hire mentally challenged "minorities" who have no qualifications, over some white dude who has worked hard his whole life to get a job. It's legit fucking insanity.

But it's totally OK for these people to now force schools and businesses to hire Christian Conservatives? Get out of here.

I mean... trump is definitely NOT hiring based on qualifications... even if dei was total bs I would rather we were giving the less intelligent of us a shot rather than sycophants a shot.

 

[SoSo]

Agreed. In the abstract, I wouldn't want this sort of pseudo-McCarthyist leaning on academia, but after what happened last year, something has to be done. Find these aggravators, these instigators, and get them the fuck out. Ship them back to the countries if they're foreigners. Revoke any financial aid if they're not. Make it such a headache for universities to keep them they choose to drop them.

Whatever they can do to get these idiots off campus, do it. Let them push mops.

I get what you're throwing down. But is this type/intensity of heavy handedness really the answer? Could there be another way of getting these arseholes (from both sides) out and increasing the value of free and independent thought again? I don't know the answer to that question. I just dislike greatly the pseudo-McCarthyist track (as you put it) we seem to be heading towards. If it's the way, it's the way. It doesn't seem right though

 

[jk7707]

DHS Threatens To Revoke Harvard’s Eligibility To Host International Students Unless It Turns Over Disciplinary Records

And now DHS has joined the direct threats from the administration.

The most disgusting part of this is they're hiding behind the guise of eliminating antisemitism while making all kinds of demands that have nothing to do with it.

This is naked authoritarianism.

 

[ShadowRun]

Title VI is a federal law that prohibits discrimination based on race, color, or national origin in programs and activities that receive federal financial assistance. The text of Title VI, under 42 U.S.C. § 2000d, states:
"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."
This applies to any institution—public or private—that accepts federal dollars, including universities, colleges, and K-12 school districts.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

DHS Threatens To Revoke Harvard’s Eligibility To Host International Students Unless It Turns Over Disciplinary Records

And now DHS has joined the direct threats from the administration.

The most disgusting part of this is they're hiding behind the guise of eliminating antisemitism while making all kinds of demands that have nothing to do with it.

This is naked authoritarianism.

we are at the bottom of the slippery slope now. we are in an authoritarian regime.

 

[deviake]

 

[krelianx]

Plus, again, 9 billion a year? I didn’t initially believe that, seeing it being posted on conservative Twitter as this fued had brewed. But even google AI says it is true. Anyone can dispute as they want, but link is below.


Actually spoiler for the link since so long, but anyone can google, “federal funding to Harvard?”

Spoiler

Google Search

Meanwhile their professors get hundreds of thousands in salary, plus hundred of thousand forcing their students to buy constantly renewing law books, authored by people like Elizabeth Warren, etc.

Completely broken business model, more so than even Trump university, but no liberal will complain

And even if we are saying we are investing in sciences and America, blah blah, we just let China steal the intellectual property

Right, but you conveniently miss the part where the proposed mandate says they should empower tenured professors who follow the mandate while taking power away from adjunct faculty and students. Which are the farthest thing from rich, and who are the ones doing the bulk of teaching and grading. Increasingly so.

You live in a fantasy world concocted by ignorance and bias.

 

[Khaosan]

lol the MAGAts still can’t admit a single thing he’s doing is wrong. Not one thing.

Still waiting..

 

[ermac88]

I think you are probably unfamiliar with how these programs work. At CSUSB they mostly deal with helping foreign students and minorities access resources, find help when subject to abuse, and organize events to help faculty learn about how to work with people coming from diverse backgrounds. They also help connect students, who are often times fairly isolated, to other sectors of the university that can protect them from discrimination, bullying, and the like.

It's the same in UCLA, CSULB, and basically every other institution I have seen. I don't understand why you have this idea that they are racist. If anything they help fight racism on campus, and assist minorities that are oftentimes subject to alienation and abuse.

The situation in the humanities is sad. Less and less students sign to those programs because they don't translate to jobs. So they rely on mandatory curricular courses to stay afloat. And they offer what the majority of kids want these days: gender, colonialism, ecology, race. There's a lot of fantastic work and people involved here. This is not only a cultural shift today, but also a result of economic pressures.

It has affected me, for instance, since I don't work on these topics mostly. But of course the government is not trying to include people working on different things, just to force hires that support conservatism. This is not meritocracy, but as someone said affirmative action for conservatives.

There's a reason across the entire academy in all disciplines, in the world, the immense majority are left leaning or progressive. That is because scholars are usually the most educated and forward thinking members of society, most allergic to dogmatism. Which of course does not mean there are no ideological biases within it, as with the present day humanities in the anglophone Western academy.

I dont believe people who are opposed to DEI actually believe it's "racist"

Theyre genuinely opposed to the concept of ethnic diversity. You will find, right here on this forum, its generally a white supremacist opposition to inclusion, particularly in what can be deemed esteemed positions.


this is why the acronym DEI has been appropriated by many as simply a safe pejorative instead of say, the n-word.


When that Black Hawk and plane collided over the Potomac. Trumps immediate go to was to blame Obama or "the DEI."

Despite its absolute absurdity,simple people of that mindset will latch on to it.

A major component of the Project 2025's agenda it to revert to a pre-civil rights era in America.