Social Trump Going After Academic Autonomy

[Kassitus]

A long standing question about the MAGA movement has been whether it will play out as a "return to the 90s" style conservative movement which is actually firmly rooted in progressive liberal values, or if it would unleash its potential to be a truly right wing movement willing to not only offend liberal sentiments, but actually transcend the post-WW2 liberal order and create an alternative path in lines with traditionalist notions of perpetuating and empowering the civilization to which the country belongs by whichever Machiavellian means are demanded by the dynamic circumstances of the times.

If the latter is to have any chance at succeeding it must come to the same realization Emperor Julian came to in those bygone days, in those grim fated days. The levers of society must be moved by manipulating institutions, and especially education. They must do so using soft power rather than the sword, as wise Julian so understood.

Trump seems to have taken the first step, but is this truly his destiny to manifest? I am skeptical, but we will see.

 

[krelianx]

Did you forget about this part in your OP you were complaining about?



Sounds like you will be getting the best students soon instead of the barely literate ones that got given a Harvard pass because of their backstory as opposed to their skills.

I think you need to take reading comprehension classes before you jump to try to argue with someone.

 

[MMA IAN]

I think you need to take reading comprehension classes before you jump to try to argue with someone.

Perhaps you should make your 27 paragraph cut and paste wall of text easier to read

 

[krelianx]

Perhaps you should make your 27 paragraph cut and paste wall of text easier to read

Maybe you should develop reading capabilities adequate to a functional adult.

 

[ermac88]

Honestly this just seem more of trumps push against intellectualism

and of course will be supported by the anti-intellectuals among his supporters

 

[essie]

this admin is just truly destructive

 

[Limbo Pete]

this admin is just truly destructive

A free thinking, independent education system is antithetical to authoritarianism. It's got to go.

 

[MMA IAN]

Maybe you should develop reading capabilities adequate to a functional adult.

Maybe you should develop your writing skills and format your post in a more practical way, is this what teaching is these days, cut and paste? Lazy

 

[krelianx]

Maybe you should develop your writing skills and format your post in a more practical way, is this what teaching is these days, cut and paste? Lazy

From where do you think I "cut and pasted" what I wrote, exactly?

 

[krelianx]

Honestly this just seem more of trumps push against intellectualism

and of course will be supported by the anti-intellectuals among his supporters

Just glancing at most of the responses in this thread should give one a good idea of why this is a rotting empire.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Everyday more and more bullshit comes out from this administration, and at this point it literally has to be just the bigoted people that still support Trump. Everything is so fucked.

Once the educational institutiom gets compromised it could be the end of the American era.

Atleast now those people undermining the system are more malicious tham dumb. But once accademia is destroyed malicious or not people will just be peanut buttered brain.

 

[Darkavius]

Cool story, but it sounds like they don't need my money to accomplish that.

Cuck leads to an interesting point and I am curious about something. Between DOGE, Harvard and other things what exactly do conservatives/Republicans want their tax money to do? What programs/activities do conservatives/Republicans want to fund other than defense and border security? Fund public schools? Nope, lets make charter schools. Fund Social Security? Nope, it is a scam and supposedly illegals are using it. Fund Medicare and Medicaid? Nope, go to work and pray you can find an employer that has decent healthcare coverage.

Some people on this board sound like Libertarians and while that is something an argument can be easily made you can't have a functional society where full blown Libertarianism and Capitalism co-exist.

 

[Darkavius]

Once the educational institutiom gets compromised it could be the end of the American era.

Atleast now those people undermining the system are more malicious tham dumb. But once accademia is destroyed malicious or not people will just be peanut buttered brain.

True, but there is always an underground economy and an underground society not reported on by the masses for lack of a better statement. One of the most recent historical examples is in slavery. You think white people, by in large, taught black people how to read and get educated? As we all know if slaves were caught they could be killed doing things like learning. The problem though is as long as there is a class in society that feels like they have the upper hand just because they are getting crumbs and the other guy is not that is what will keep peanut butter brain going.

As Lyndon Johnson said "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket." While it is a quote tied to race I always attribute it as a class thing as well. Meaning some people are snubbing their nose at Harvard and agreeing with the Trump Administration while their local schools get demolished and under funded consistently.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Cuck leads to an interesting point and I am curious about something. Between DOGE, Harvard and other things what exactly do conservatives/Republicans want their tax money to do? What programs/activities do conservatives/Republicans want to fund other than defense and border security? Fund public schools? Nope, lets make charter schools. Fund Social Security? Nope, it is a scam and supposedly illegals are using it. Fund Medicare and Medicaid? Nope, go to work and pray you can find an employer that has decent healthcare coverage.

Some people on this board sound like Libertarians and while that is something an argument can be easily made you can't have a functional society where full blown Libertarianism and Capitalism co-exist.

Well I would say, if I had to drill it down to one big issue, that would be healthcare for all. Why do my tax dollars go to elite private schools with $60 billion in the bank and a line of people waiting to pay them even more tuition? Why am I funding litterally 100's of thousands of unnecessary government employees just so some politician can brag they lowered the unemployment rate. Why am I funding countless military bases in far away places that seemingly serve no purpose other than to line someone's pocket. Why am I funding countless dumb "foreign aid initiatives" that are actually just propaganda/regime change slush funds?

Why are everyone's tax dollars going to this ridiculous stuff when we could literally take that money every year and pay for health insurance for every American citizen?

I understand that's just one issue, but there are countless other things that money could be going to if not healthcare. Our roads are crumbling, our internet and power infrastructure is shit, we could make a list a mile long that the money should be going to instead of what it's being spent on now.

 

[MMA IAN]

Just glancing at most of the responses in this thread should give one a good idea of why this is a rotting empire.

A self professed teacher complaining about responses based off his 'glancing' at them.

You're right, it is obvious why education is in such a poor state. Students are only as good as their teacher after all.

 

[Rational Poster]

Well I would say, if I had to drill it down to one big issue, that would be healthcare for all. Why do my tax dollars go to elite private schools with $60 billion in the bank and a line of people waiting to pay them even more tuition? Why am I funding litterally 100's of thousands of unnecessary government employees just so some politician can brag they lowered the unemployment rate. Why am I funding countless military bases in far away places that seemingly serve no purpose other than to line someone's pocket. Why am I funding countless dumb "foreign aid initiatives" that are actually just propaganda/regime change slush funds?

Why are everyone's tax dollars going to this ridiculous stuff when we could literally take that money every year and pay for health insurance for every American citizen?

I understand that's just one issue, but there are countless other things that money could be going to if not healthcare. Our roads are crumbling, our internet and power infrastructure is shit, we could make a list a mile long that the money should be going to instead of what it's being spent on now.

lmao commie

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Conservatives are not well represented in higher education because the Leftists that run it discriminate based on ideology. The studies and admissions of the professors was very clear. You stated the exact opposite.

But out of all academic disciplines, only a very small handful (the social sciences) could possibly make a candidates' political leanings apparent.

All the sciences, engineering, health, law, education, etc., can have scholars studying things that have zero to do with political issues. No hiring committee is going to know you're a Trumper if you've spent your career studying migratory birds or property law or neurotransmitters.

And even in the social sciences, lots of stuff is decidedly non-political. Only the ones that specifically study structural inequality are likely to make their political views apparent.

So 95% of academics don't have anything to be discriminated on.

 

[Darkavius]

Well I would say, if I had to drill it down to one big issue, that would be healthcare for all. Why do my tax dollars go to elite private schools with $60 billion in the bank and a line of people waiting to pay them even more tuition? Why am I funding litterally 100's of thousands of unnecessary government employees just so some politician can brag they lowered the unemployment rate. Why am I funding countless military bases in far away places that seemingly serve no purpose other than to line someone's pocket. Why am I funding countless dumb "foreign aid initiatives" that are actually just propaganda/regime change slush funds?

Why are everyone's tax dollars going to this ridiculous stuff when we could literally take that money every year and pay for health insurance for every American citizen?

I agree with you in regards to health insurance so no disagreement there. There are problems with the ivy leagues but the reason the government funds schools (even ivy leagues) is because the goal is you would want educated citizens so they can provide a function back to society hopefully to replace those that are older and retired among other things. I don't quite understand your issue with Harvard when Harvard is one of the most highly acclaimed schools in the entire world. You don't want to help fund a world leader in education?

As far as government employees though I don't get that argument. Would you rather them be on the unemployment line? There's a misconception about Capitalism where people say "The market will decide." When in reality if the markets had their say we would be back in the Gilded Age. We all know that these so called free market businesses would grind to a halt without government intervention.

 

[SurferH2O]

But out of all academic disciplines, only a very small handful (the social sciences) could possibly make a candidates' political leanings apparent.

All the sciences, engineering, health, law, education, etc., can have scholars studying things that have zero to do with political issues. No hiring committee is going to know you're a Trumper if you've spent your career studying migratory birds or property law or neurotransmitters.

And even in the social sciences, lots of stuff is decidedly non-political. Only the ones that specifically study structural inequality are likely to make their political views apparent.

So 95% of academics don't have anything to be discriminated on.

I would agree that we shouldn't know the political leanings of our hard science professors and other subject matters, but sadly they inject it constantly. I am watching it currently with my 22 year old son.

 

[krelianx]

But out of all academic disciplines, only a very small handful (the social sciences) could possibly make a candidates' political leanings apparent.

All the sciences, engineering, health, law, education, etc., can have scholars studying things that have zero to do with political issues. No hiring committee is going to know you're a Trumper if you've spent your career studying migratory birds or property law or neurotransmitters.

And even in the social sciences, lots of stuff is decidedly non-political. Only the ones that specifically study structural inequality are likely to make their political views apparent.

So 95% of academics don't have anything to be discriminated on.

You're forgetting the humanities and arts.