International Trump forced Israel to negotiate with Hamas

[Blayt7hh]

Well I don t subscribe to that. Nato had no business in Ukraine and wanting to stop the unfortunate suffering doesn t make him a cuck.

Ah, this old lie. It’s NATOs fault for reasons, even though NATO repeatedly gave Russia what they wanted by not entertaining Ukraines bid to join. It’s also Ukraines for fighting back against the invader. They shouldn’t defend their country since it causes undue suffering

 

[ShadowRun]

Biden's team, israel, and Palestine-I"t was Trump."
Sherdoggers-"Nah bro."

 

[Cajun]

I blame America for funding it and give trump credit for ending it with one phone call like I said Biden could have done anytime he wanted to. all of those war crimes and intentional murdering of children and women.... all paid for by us and approved by us.

its just not honest or accurate to blame all of that on hamas. we funded it and it is illegal war crimes that we funded and we knew we were funding it.

any sitting president could have stopped all of that with ONE phone call.

I haven't been posting due to the site issues but decided to post an agreement with this statement. I believe that we have enough leverage that the president could have made more of an impact on the Israeli govt. We have been complicit in the overall actions taken and bear some responsibility to what is happening. And look... after October 7 I could see revenge on Hamas being justified but there has to be some real care taken in how that comes about and there has been none. I dont know what budged Hamas or what was said at the meetings but for now it seems effective. I'm happy with the cease fire though not sure how long it lasts as Hamas will likely lose power snd their lives. But will see....

 

[KnightTemplar]

If trump can fix this site, even my tds suffering ass will vote for a third term.

Some things are beyond even the God-Emperor's vast powers.

 

[White Whale]

Remember when Nobel blindly awarded Obama the Peace Prize before he took office for doing absolutely nothing?

Let’s see if they snub Trump here and further delegitimize the institution.

South Korea president Moon Jae-in said Donald Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the stand off in North Korea.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Hamas had agreed to how many peace deals over the last year the Israeli's have backed off from?

Given hamas’ history of getting its ass kicked, calling time out and then continuing to fight when it’s ready again? I kind of understand why Israel wouldn’t trust the peace talks proffered

 

[DoctorTaco]

Just stop.

K

 

[DoctorTaco]

I haven't been posting due to the site issues but decided to post an agreement with this statement. I believe that we have enough leverage that the president could have made more of an impact on the Israeli govt. We have been complicit in the overall actions taken and bear some responsibility to what is happening. And look... after October 7 I could see revenge on Hamas being justified but there has to be some real care taken in how that comes about and there has been none. I dont know what budged Hamas or what was said at the meetings but for now it seems effective. I'm happy with the cease fire though not sure how long it lasts as Hamas will likely lose power snd their lives. But will see....

Politicians are beholden to their voters. Folks on the right are very pro Israel (bc that one dude is gonna come back there someday) and any politician who courts the right has to be pro Israel in their words and actions.

 

[Cajun]

Politicians are beholden to their voters. Folks on the right are very pro Israel (bc that one dude is gonna come back there someday) and any politician who courts the right has to be pro Israel in their words and actions.

Biden doesn't court these voters. Politicians are only beholden if it's not a moral conflict. Then they should be expected to do what's right. That portion of Christianity are from the premillennial crowd and their eschatological views. Any real Christian can navigate it though. The Israeli govt is just a govt. If they do wrong then one has to call it. But no president has really addressed the situation much in recent times.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Biden doesn't court these voters. Politicians are only beholden if it's not a moral conflict. Then they should be expected to do what's right. That portion of Christianity are from the premillennial crowd and their eschatological views. Any real Christian can navigate it though. The Israeli govt is just a govt. If they do wrong then one has to call it. But no president has really addressed the situation much in recent times.

I appreciate you putting your expectations of morality on politicians, but until we have major political finance reform and stop letting these people trade stocks I just can’t imagine them doing things for any other reason than to further their own financial and career goals.

I agree on the “real Christian” vs. the people who think going to church makes them a Christian. (see: the tired old knee slapper about going to your garage for an hour and a half every week doesn’t make you a car). I think the majority of Americans who claim to be Christians don’t lead Christ like lives, or even attempt to. That is certainly my experience with 20 years in that community, but more importantly if 67% of the US population took the teachings of Christ literally and tried to live their lives in honor of those teachings then our society would look wildly different. Arguably better, and that’s coming from a heathen like myself.

 

[Cajun]

I appreciate you putting your expectations of morality on politicians, but until we have major political finance reform and stop letting these people trade stocks I just can’t imagine them doing things for any other reason than to further their own financial and career goals.

I agree on the “real Christian” vs. the people who think going to church makes them a Christian. (see: the tired old knee slapper about going to your garage for an hour and a half every week doesn’t make you a car). I think the majority of Americans who claim to be Christians don’t lead Christ like lives, or even attempt to. That is certainly my experience with 20 years in that community, but more importantly if 67% of the US population took the teachings of Christ literally and tried to live their lives in honor of those teachings then our society would look wildly different. Arguably better, and that’s coming from a heathen like myself.

Understood. Don't disagree that politicians will largely do nothing and look the other way at things that are tough like a Darfur for example. But yeah, I'm speaking in theory. In reality politicians are out for themselves.

Your points about Christianity are also valid. If it was in a time or place of real persecution then you would see far fewer attending church and only those convicted in attendance. Christianity sadly has become more of a tradition here than conviction. People doing those things but have no real connection to it at all. The watered down theology doesn't help and just lulls people to sleep thinking that if they can see someone worse then they must be good. And you are also right... True belief and adherence to it would make it a drastically different place. Cheers man.

 

[calavera2]

South Korea president Moon Jae-in said Donald Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the stand off in North Korea.

kinda like a participation trophy...how cute

 

[Sakuraba'sEar]

Given hamas’ history of getting its ass kicked, calling time out and then continuing to fight when it’s ready again? I kind of understand why Israel wouldn’t trust the peace talks proffered

It wouldn't matter anyways, they are surrounded by terrorist groups that hate them and an incoming attack can just be labeled a "Hamas" attack. The Hamas hierarchy has been diminished also, so they probably can't even verify that well

Obviously, both sides are capable of lying but our priority should be getting our hostages out. After that, the Zionists and Muslims can do fuck all for all I care

 

[Rational Poster]

It wouldn't matter anyways, they are surrounded by terrorist groups that hate them and an incoming attack can just be labeled a "Hamas" attack. The Hamas hierarchy has been diminished also, so they probably can't even verify that well

Obviously, both sides are capable of lying but our priority should be getting our hostages out. After that, the Zionists and Muslims can do fuck all for all I care

This deal isn't even for all the hostages.

 

[The XL]

Lol at anyone who thinks Biden had anything to do with this.

 

[calavera2]

Lol at anyone who thinks Biden had anything to do with this.

I'm sure Trumps menacing glare and flaring bone spurs got it done...

Biden spent most if term eating ice cream and taking naps and still got more done than during Trumps term.