International Trump forced Israel to negotiate with Hamas

[Blayt7hh]

Well I don t subscribe to that. Nato had no business in Ukraine and wanting to stop the unfortunate suffering doesn t make him a cuck.

Ah, this old lie. It’s NATOs fault for reasons, even though NATO repeatedly gave Russia what they wanted by not entertaining Ukraines bid to join. It’s also Ukraines for fighting back against the invader. They shouldn’t defend their country since it causes undue suffering

 

[ShadowRun]

Biden's team, israel, and Palestine-I"t was Trump."
Sherdoggers-"Nah bro."

 

[Cajun]

I blame America for funding it and give trump credit for ending it with one phone call like I said Biden could have done anytime he wanted to. all of those war crimes and intentional murdering of children and women.... all paid for by us and approved by us.

its just not honest or accurate to blame all of that on hamas. we funded it and it is illegal war crimes that we funded and we knew we were funding it.

any sitting president could have stopped all of that with ONE phone call.

I haven't been posting due to the site issues but decided to post an agreement with this statement. I believe that we have enough leverage that the president could have made more of an impact on the Israeli govt. We have been complicit in the overall actions taken and bear some responsibility to what is happening. And look... after October 7 I could see revenge on Hamas being justified but there has to be some real care taken in how that comes about and there has been none. I dont know what budged Hamas or what was said at the meetings but for now it seems effective. I'm happy with the cease fire though not sure how long it lasts as Hamas will likely lose power snd their lives. But will see....

 

[KnightTemplar]

If trump can fix this site, even my tds suffering ass will vote for a third term.

Some things are beyond even the God-Emperor's vast powers.

 

[White Whale]

Remember when Nobel blindly awarded Obama the Peace Prize before he took office for doing absolutely nothing?

Let’s see if they snub Trump here and further delegitimize the institution.

South Korea president Moon Jae-in said Donald Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the stand off in North Korea.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Hamas had agreed to how many peace deals over the last year the Israeli's have backed off from?

Given hamas’ history of getting its ass kicked, calling time out and then continuing to fight when it’s ready again? I kind of understand why Israel wouldn’t trust the peace talks proffered

 

[DoctorTaco]

Just stop.

K

 

[DoctorTaco]

I haven't been posting due to the site issues but decided to post an agreement with this statement. I believe that we have enough leverage that the president could have made more of an impact on the Israeli govt. We have been complicit in the overall actions taken and bear some responsibility to what is happening. And look... after October 7 I could see revenge on Hamas being justified but there has to be some real care taken in how that comes about and there has been none. I dont know what budged Hamas or what was said at the meetings but for now it seems effective. I'm happy with the cease fire though not sure how long it lasts as Hamas will likely lose power snd their lives. But will see....

Politicians are beholden to their voters. Folks on the right are very pro Israel (bc that one dude is gonna come back there someday) and any politician who courts the right has to be pro Israel in their words and actions.

 

[Cajun]

Politicians are beholden to their voters. Folks on the right are very pro Israel (bc that one dude is gonna come back there someday) and any politician who courts the right has to be pro Israel in their words and actions.

Biden doesn't court these voters. Politicians are only beholden if it's not a moral conflict. Then they should be expected to do what's right. That portion of Christianity are from the premillennial crowd and their eschatological views. Any real Christian can navigate it though. The Israeli govt is just a govt. If they do wrong then one has to call it. But no president has really addressed the situation much in recent times.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Biden doesn't court these voters. Politicians are only beholden if it's not a moral conflict. Then they should be expected to do what's right. That portion of Christianity are from the premillennial crowd and their eschatological views. Any real Christian can navigate it though. The Israeli govt is just a govt. If they do wrong then one has to call it. But no president has really addressed the situation much in recent times.

I appreciate you putting your expectations of morality on politicians, but until we have major political finance reform and stop letting these people trade stocks I just can’t imagine them doing things for any other reason than to further their own financial and career goals.

I agree on the “real Christian” vs. the people who think going to church makes them a Christian. (see: the tired old knee slapper about going to your garage for an hour and a half every week doesn’t make you a car). I think the majority of Americans who claim to be Christians don’t lead Christ like lives, or even attempt to. That is certainly my experience with 20 years in that community, but more importantly if 67% of the US population took the teachings of Christ literally and tried to live their lives in honor of those teachings then our society would look wildly different. Arguably better, and that’s coming from a heathen like myself.

 

[Cajun]

I appreciate you putting your expectations of morality on politicians, but until we have major political finance reform and stop letting these people trade stocks I just can’t imagine them doing things for any other reason than to further their own financial and career goals.

I agree on the “real Christian” vs. the people who think going to church makes them a Christian. (see: the tired old knee slapper about going to your garage for an hour and a half every week doesn’t make you a car). I think the majority of Americans who claim to be Christians don’t lead Christ like lives, or even attempt to. That is certainly my experience with 20 years in that community, but more importantly if 67% of the US population took the teachings of Christ literally and tried to live their lives in honor of those teachings then our society would look wildly different. Arguably better, and that’s coming from a heathen like myself.

Understood. Don't disagree that politicians will largely do nothing and look the other way at things that are tough like a Darfur for example. But yeah, I'm speaking in theory. In reality politicians are out for themselves.

Your points about Christianity are also valid. If it was in a time or place of real persecution then you would see far fewer attending church and only those convicted in attendance. Christianity sadly has become more of a tradition here than conviction. People doing those things but have no real connection to it at all. The watered down theology doesn't help and just lulls people to sleep thinking that if they can see someone worse then they must be good. And you are also right... True belief and adherence to it would make it a drastically different place. Cheers man.

 

[calavera2]

South Korea president Moon Jae-in said Donald Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the stand off in North Korea.

kinda like a participation trophy...how cute

 

[Captain Tenneal]

Given hamas’ history of getting its ass kicked, calling time out and then continuing to fight when it’s ready again? I kind of understand why Israel wouldn’t trust the peace talks proffered

It wouldn't matter anyways, they are surrounded by terrorist groups that hate them and an incoming attack can just be labeled a "Hamas" attack. The Hamas hierarchy has been diminished also, so they probably can't even verify that well

Obviously, both sides are capable of lying but our priority should be getting our hostages out. After that, the Zionists and Muslims can do fuck all for all I care

 

[Rational Poster]

It wouldn't matter anyways, they are surrounded by terrorist groups that hate them and an incoming attack can just be labeled a "Hamas" attack. The Hamas hierarchy has been diminished also, so they probably can't even verify that well

Obviously, both sides are capable of lying but our priority should be getting our hostages out. After that, the Zionists and Muslims can do fuck all for all I care

This deal isn't even for all the hostages.

 

[The XL]

Lol at anyone who thinks Biden had anything to do with this.

 

[calavera2]

Lol at anyone who thinks Biden had anything to do with this.

I'm sure Trumps menacing glare and flaring bone spurs got it done...

Biden spent most if term eating ice cream and taking naps and still got more done than during Trumps term.

 

[Madmick]

This doesn't make much sense to me, the deal accepted was put on the table months ago, the negotiation for the 3 phase ceasefire started in May before the election was even decided. Trump gave Netanyahu the final push to accept it.

I just watched an interview on the PBS newshour where the Deputy National Security Adviser made it clear that the deal that originated last May which has been tweaked again and again was never opposed by Netanyahu or the Israelis, but back then-- and even until just the last few weeks-- was opposed solely by Hamas.

So this thread, it turns out, is a bit of a farce. Netanyahu didn't need any arm-twisting at all.

Quite simply, Hamas is terrified of what dreams may come when there is "hell to pay". They fearfully scrambled to accept the deal before Trump arrives in office. They're terrified of him.

 

[Anewt]

Politics is a numbers game, and Netanyahu is playing it with ceasefire

Deep divisions within Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government threaten to scuttle the freshly minted ceasefire and hostage deal with Hamas, even before it has come into force.

www.abc.net.au

Gaza ceasefire deal could mean Netanyahu is at war with his own government​

full article is worth the read. Trimmed to not copy entire thing.

Gaza ceasefire deal could mean Netanyahu is at war with his own government​

On New Year's Eve, the sight of a gaunt Benjamin Netanyahu sitting in the Israeli parliament made headlines across his country.

And it goes a long way to explain why the Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal Israeli negotiators agreed to after marathon negotiations in Qatar is already on shaky ground, less than 24 hours after it was announced.

And why, after many months of talks, the proposal agreed to in Doha is broadly the same deal that could have been signed off when it was first put forward by US President Joe Biden in late May 2024.

In late December, the PM went through prostate surgery and was meant to be recuperating at home.


But he was dragged to the Knesset to vote on a budget bill — all because a member of his coalition government, the controversial far-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, was not playing ball and decided to block it.



It was a moment that almost perfectly described the state of the Netanyahu government.

A prime minister so keen to hold on to power, and reliant on extremist elements of the Israeli political class to do so, forced out bed and hobbling into the Knesset to ensure a piece of his own agenda was not scuttled by the very people propping him up.

History, it seems, repeats.

Netanyahu's office has been quick to accuse Hamas of jeopardising the 2025 ceasefire deal, causing a "crisis" and delaying a cabinet vote to adopt the proposal.

But it soon leaked that this was more a predicament within his own ranks.

- read full article

 

[DoctorTaco]

After that, the Zionists and Muslims can do fuck all for all I care

Quoting to highlight common ground. It sucks that Israel fucks over Palestinians and hamas both indiscriminately, but I’m not a fan of playing world police.

Wouldn’t mind if we stopped selling weapons to one side, but then again we are the biggest arms dealer in the world and can’t lose the trillions of dollars without impacting our quality of life. Sad

 

[DoctorTaco]

Understood. Don't disagree that politicians will largely do nothing and look the other way at things that are tough like a Darfur for example. But yeah, I'm speaking in theory. In reality politicians are out for themselves.

Your points about Christianity are also valid. If it was in a time or place of real persecution then you would see far fewer attending church and only those convicted in attendance. Christianity sadly has become more of a tradition here than conviction. People doing those things but have no real connection to it at all. The watered down theology doesn't help and just lulls people to sleep thinking that if they can see someone worse then they must be good. And you are also right... True belief and adherence to it would make it a drastically different place. Cheers man.

Agree on all accounts, caj bud