Elections Trump Declares He'll "Close" Dept. of Education & Defund Schools That Teach Wrong Things

[ermac88]

You didn't answer my question buttercup. Rant harder.

I responded to the fallacy you typed.

I didn't respond with a "rant"; I posted the facts about why so-called "right" or "left" oppose Trump, including members of his OWN cabinet.

Did you have a question or were you confused about something else?

 

[ermac88]

Where the hell are you getting your history from, MSNBC? The major founding principle of The Republican party was to oppose the expansion of slavery by the Democrats. Furthermore the first president to enforce the desegregation of schools was Eisenhower also a Republican.

Um hes getting them from history books or people that are alive today that saw the parties change political ideologies mainly due to civil rights?

 

[PaddyO'malley]

#trump is my hero but fam dis sum crazy shit LMFAOLL nuh need fi defund di schools broski just get rid of di nepotism bad tingz be happenin' money growin' legs cuz admins rewritin' job descriptions fi get dem friends on di payroll no classroom experience no XP managing a budget str8 lvl 1 accounting but dem managing $2M+ gettin' paid 250 racks a year takin family to Vegas or Disneyland on taxpayer dime multiple tayums a year but nobody nuh say nuthin cuz dem all from di same church and/or neighbors n like y u haffi go wif ur boy's Gildan hustle at $50/shirt for di school swag when another company charging $15

Tranny not di problem fam it's di smaller components burnin' up di fuel mad inefficient

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

No. Math. Science. Proper English. Foreign Languages.... WTF is wrong with you?

He literally can't even understand the concept of school as an educational institution rather than a brainwashing temple lmao.

 

[Misfit23]

They couldn't even repeal Obamacare during his term. Nothing but word vomit from him.

 

[jefferz]

#trump is my hero but fam dis sum crazy shit LMFAOLL nuh need fi defund di schools broski just get rid of di nepotism bad tingz be happenin' money growin' legs cuz admins rewritin' job descriptions fi get dem friends on di payroll no classroom experience no XP managing a budget str8 lvl 1 accounting but dem managing $2M+ gettin' paid 250 racks a year takin family to Vegas or Disneyland on taxpayer dime multiple tayums a year but nobody nuh say nuthin cuz dem all from di same church and/or neighbors n like y u haffi go wif ur boy's Gildan hustle at $50/shirt for di school swag when another company charging $15

Tranny not di problem fam it's di smaller components burnin' up di fuel mad inefficient

What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Ruprecht]

No surprise. Public education created the middle class. Directing funding to improve education access is the role of the department.
Teachers unions support the Democrats.
Conservatives and reactionaries that want to emphasize social inequality have always hated public education (along with "public" anything, for much the same reason).
Hence David Koch running on a platform including ending all public schools and any government requirement that children get educated when he campaigned in 1980.

 

[ShadowRun]

No surprise. Public education created the middle class. Directing funding to improve education access is the role of the department.
Teachers unions support the Democrats.
Conservatives and reactionaries that want to emphasize social inequality have always hated public education (along with "public" anything, for much the same reason).
Hence David Koch running on a platform including ending all public schools and any government requirement that children get educated when he campaigned in 1980.

Middle class was better before 1980 ...
The share of adults who live in middle-class households fell from 61% in 1971 to 50% in 2021, according to a new analysis.

 

[Ruprecht]

Middle class was better before 1980 ...
The share of adults who live in middle-class households fell from 61% in 1971 to 50% in 2021, according to a new analysis.

Public education predates 1980 considerably.
You didn't do extensive performance testing until the '80s educational reforms under Reagan (who also said he was going to abolish the DOE before flip flopping). Before then education was hardly a national issue. The establishment of a separate department of education from the department of Health Education and Welfare was the recognition of improvements that needed to be made.
Your middle class has been shrinking since at least 1971, so obviously that can't be pegged on either the Department of Education or the introduction of Public Education.
Your upper income quintile has simply been taking more and more of the pie.

 

[ShadowRun]

Public education predates 1980 considerably.
You didn't do extensive performance testing until the '80s educational reforms under Reagan (who also said he was going to abolish the DOE before flip flopping). Before then education was hardly a national issue. The establishment of a separate department of education from the department of Health Education and Welfare was the recognition of improvements that needed to be made.
Your middle class has been shrinking since at least 1971, so obviously that can't be pegged on either the Department of Education or the introduction of Public Education.
Your upper income quintile has simply been taking more and more of the pie.

Upper taking more from who the middle class?

 

[Ruprecht]

Upper taking more from who the middle class?

They aren't taking it in a literal sense, but you've seen increased wealth polarisation.
Looking at aggregate income, the lower income group decreased from 10 to 8%, the middle income group from 62 to 42% while the high income group increased from 29 to 50%.
Likewise with wealth (although the numbers are for '83 vs 2016). Lower income went from 7 to 4%, middle income from 32 to 17% while upper income went from 60% to 79%.
That's all just indicators of the increased polarisation and upwards distribution.
I guess you could consider it a positive that 7% of that 11% drop in the middle income class went to the upper income class vs 4% falling into the lower income class. Keep in mind that this is household income though, and from 1970 to 2023 the percentage of households with both parents working went from 31% to 49.7%.

 

[Rational Poster]

They aren't taking it in a literal sense, but you've seen increased wealth polarisation.
Looking at aggregate income, the lower income group decreased from 10 to 8%, the middle income group from 62 to 42% while the high income group increased from 29 to 50%.
Likewise with wealth (although the numbers are for '83 vs 2016). Lower income went from 7 to 4%, middle income from 32 to 17% while upper income went from 60% to 79%.
That's all just indicators of the increased polarisation and upwards distribution.
I guess you could consider it a positive that 7% of that 11% drop in the middle income class went to the upper income class vs 4% falling into the lower income class. Keep in mind that this is household income though, and from 1970 to 2023 the percentage of households with both parents working went from 31% to 49.7%.

This is really the crux of the issue with education in America.

As wealth concentrates upwards, it's also concentrating the tax revenue into smaller and more wealthy school districts while the poorest districts just keep getting poorer.

The DOE attempts to close the gap between them, but the funding isn't there to totally offset the upward concentration of wealth. The wealthiest districts and schools also get extra funding on top of tax revenue as well through massive private donations, skewing things even further.

 

[PurpleDrank]

No surprise. Public education created the middle class. Directing funding to improve education access is the role of the department.
Teachers unions support the Democrats.
Conservatives and reactionaries that want to emphasize social inequality have always hated public education (along with "public" anything, for much the same reason).
Hence David Koch running on a platform including ending all public schools and any government requirement that children get educated when he campaigned in 1980.

Why do democrats think the only solution is to throw money at something?