International "Trump-class Battleships"

[oldshadow]

Every single US Navy battleship has been decomissioned in the previous century. That says a lot about the current role and capabilities of battleships in modern naval warfare.

It's insane that this is even being discussed.

Yes because they were designed in WW2 and problems with the 16 inch guns and limited use. If these are different I dont see them with large guns that are designed to use black power style guns.

 

[BlankaPresident]

Yes because they were designed in WW2 and problems with the 16 inch guns and limited use. If these are different I dont see them with large guns that are designed to use black power style guns.

It's not about the guns, but the size and role.

 

[oldshadow]

We do have the proposed armament of the ship:

Trump Battleship Will be Largest Surface Combatant Since WWII - USNI News

The centerpiece of the Trump administration’s revamp of the U.S. Navy is the largest surface combatant America will build since World War II. The U.S. Navy will buy two new “battleships” as part of the “Golden Fleet” effort, President Donald Trump, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Navy...

news.usni.org

12 launch cells for a proposed hypersonic missile which isn't even on the drawing boards yet, 128 standard missile launch cells, and a bunch of railguns & lasers which are all still computer renderings. This is literally less than the armament of 2 Burke class destroyers which have 96 launch cells each. This stupid ship is 4 fucking times the displacement of a Burke DDG with only ~1.5 times more firepower, and unlike an aircraft carrier or amphibious assault ship there's nothing it can do which other ships can't.

Thanks for the link. Im finevwith building the first one and lets see what it can do. See if it lives up to what its intended to be. It a ounds like its not coming any time soon. I like the rail gun but I know there are still problems with them. Let's see if the first one performs before we are committed to more.

Im not sure about the propulsion system. I think being that size it should be nuclear.

 

[oldshadow]

It's not about the guns, but the size and role.

It was fine for limited use as land support. Yes the 16 inch guns had all kinds of problems. The powder was a large one. They were brought back for their use in a very large part. I did some work on them but it was limited.

AI overview.

When battleships were reactivated (like the Iowa-class in the 1980s), their 16-inch guns faced issues with aging, unsafe gunpowder, needing costly reprovisioning; maintenance nightmares due to wear and complex ballistics; accuracy degradation from barrel wear; potential for accidents (like the USS Iowa turret explosion); and the fundamental problem of obsolescence, as their range and firepower couldn't match modern missiles, requiring huge costs for modernization to use guided shells effectively.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Why not just modify an existing carrier or amphibious warfare ship instead of spending tens of billions to develop new ships that will only have one use?

That's less range than radar and a significantly smaller range than air cover and AWACs. What problem are you trying to even solve here?

The Sidewinder addresses threats within a dozen miles or so. Naval warfare is on the scale of hundreds of miles.

Flying low to the water kills range and combat radius, not to mention there's no ground clutter to get lost in in the middle of the ocean.

How would these drones even detect anything? Most drones used in Ukraine are guided by navigation or visually, both of which are not as useful in naval warfare.

Probably pretty well given that the Ukrainians have had a lot of success shooting them down while not even having control of Ukrainian airspace. Shahed drones are slow and easy to identify if you have the tools the US does.

I'm assuming you're right for now. I'm just trying to think of how things will be 20+ years from now.

Not to mention that, again, you're presenting Shahed drones as being guided by magic to find targets in naval warfare.

Again I'm assuming that in 20+ years, computers will be miniaturized and AI will be optimized to the point that you will have onboard AIs that can just "see" out of a camera better than a human could. Then the drone won't need any guidance once it finds its target. It will identify it visually.

 

[aerius]

Not to mention that, again, you're presenting Shahed drones as being guided by magic to find targets in naval warfare.

We're already there. Geran drones with AI vision systems are whacking moving trains in the Ukraine, all it takes is a few updates to the code and they'll be whacking ships.

Russian Geran Drones with AI Hit Moving Ukrainian Train

Modified Russian Geran drones with AI struck a moving Ukrainian fuel train near Bobrovitsa, destroying tankers, equipment platforms, and supply wagons.

voennoedelo.com

The real fun happens when we get updated Shahed type drones with full stealth features and jet engines, detecting & stopping them will be a complete fucking bitch. We're already halfway there with the Geran 2 which has jet engines, if/when a stealth version of that gets made it'll blow through every existing defence we have.

 

[Deaths Head]

They will never get built, just like the east wing of the WH and his border wall that he completely forgot about.

We’d have to be very careful regardless, whatever he puts his name on sinks and that won’t work in the waters .

 

[Deaths Head]

The funny thing is the US has never named battleships after people. In fact, names of famous figures have up until fairly recently been reserved for smaller warships.

Should name one the Dodger , as in Trumps draft dodging it’s the only thing associated with him concerning Military .

 

[avenue94]

We're already there. Geran drones with AI vision systems are whacking moving trains in the Ukraine, all it takes is a few updates to the code and they'll be whacking ships.

Russian Geran Drones with AI Hit Moving Ukrainian Train

Modified Russian Geran drones with AI struck a moving Ukrainian fuel train near Bobrovitsa, destroying tankers, equipment platforms, and supply wagons.

voennoedelo.com

The real fun happens when we get updated Shahed type drones with full stealth features and jet engines, detecting & stopping them will be a complete fucking bitch. We're already halfway there with the Geran 2 which has jet engines, if/when a stealth version of that gets made it'll blow through every existing defence we have.

That part is doable, it's more the finding targets in the first place in the ocean in that's a problem.

And if you're going down the road of stealth on expendable drones, you might as well just opt for missile at that point. Larger warhead, better chance of getting through, and cost disadvantage is reduced.

 

[Michaelangelo]

it's a big, fat, and relatively fragile target.

Just like Trump

 

[Deaths Head]

This idea is pretty dumb , there’s a reason top naval experts are laughing at this along with China . I’ve already covered this months ago and hopefully Trump doesn’t outlast yet another abysmal project he’s creating just to get something else named after him at least he hasn’t named any military outfit after him but i know he wants to if he could .

 

[Stoic1]

How do you propose making the range of a jet ski 500nm when you'd be lucky to get a hundred miles at cruising speeds?

Go with me here.

First, we buy the Seadoos. Then, down at harbor freight we grab some Jerry cans. Then we strap on a $600 starlink, a Garmin, and an RPG7. I think we can get this done for about $10k a pop.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

We do have the proposed armament of the ship:

Trump Battleship Will be Largest Surface Combatant Since WWII - USNI News

The centerpiece of the Trump administration’s revamp of the U.S. Navy is the largest surface combatant America will build since World War II. The U.S. Navy will buy two new “battleships” as part of the “Golden Fleet” effort, President Donald Trump, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Navy...

news.usni.org

12 launch cells for a proposed hypersonic missile which isn't even on the drawing boards yet, 128 standard missile launch cells, and a bunch of railguns & lasers which are all still computer renderings. This is literally less than the armament of 2 Burke class destroyers which have 96 launch cells each. This stupid ship is 4 fucking times the displacement of a Burke DDG with only ~1.5 times more firepower, and unlike an aircraft carrier or amphibious assault ship there's nothing it can do which other ships can't.

Please tell they aren't really going to call it the " Golden Fleet "

Lmao if that's real

This reality is something else

 

[Rational Poster]

I felt it was the only medium you could comprehend.

Do you need articles?

https://www.newsweek.com/china-shipbuilding-fishing-coast-guard-navy-1841367

China's navy is expanding at breakneck speed - and catching up with the US

Beijing's shipbuilding capacity is 200 times that of the US, an expert says, calling the scale "extraordinary".

www.bbc.com

The breakneck speed of China's shipbuilding: How Chinese Navy is preparing to operate anywhere across the globe

China's military modernization is rapidly advancing, demonstrated by the Fujian aircraft carrier's transit through the Taiwan Strait. The nation boasts the world's largest navy and is significantly expanding its air force and ground forces with modern equipment. Increased defense spending and a...

m.economictimes.com

China building a powerful blue water navy - Asia Times

The development of four or more aircraft carriers is only natural in order to satisfy China’s burgeoning national security needs, Chinese military

asiatimes.com

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/01/asia/china-navy-overseas-military-bases-intl-hnk-ml

China’s Global Maritime Ambitions 10,000 Miles Beyond Taiwan

By midcentury, China wants to achieve naval power that spans the globe.

www.usni.org

Do you need more?

I can keep going.

You need to take the L and move on, son.

As a reminder...this was your post:


"
Rational Poster said:
China is not building a deep water navy, the overwhelming majority of their ships have under 1000km range.

It is a coastal navy not a deep sea navy. Despite the quantity of ships they're still trailing in overall tonnage."

Like I said, get fukt- you are wrong.

You linked asia times and india times, you might have well just stuck with your AI slop. The india times article doesn't even have an author attributed. The asia times article is from 2019 and talking about ships that still don't exist.


The BBC article doesn't support your position at all, it supports mine. They're building lots of short range lower displacement ships, not a deep sea fleet.

The USNI article fan fiction, is just brainstorming China's next goal after taking Taiwan and what that might look like. The entire piece is predicated on a reality where Taiwan has already fallen.

You are so bad at this. You need to just take the L and move on, son. lmao

Replacing your brain with google isn't working well for you.

 

[fingercuffs]

Ugh at everyone championing this...good little boys as always.

 

[The Diplomat]

The more I think about it, Gillis was right — I think he actually is autistic

Autistically retarded. This guy ain't making grilled cheeses at night, he's eating Big Macs while going to war with Venezeula over oil because someone said they have it.

 

[nostradumbass]

No I was really looking forward to you trying to tell everyone how building a battleship after they've been obsolete for nearly 100 years is a good things we should spend our tax dollars on.

Lol, and there's another example of you making an ass of yourself because you didn't bother reading. Every military power's navy has modern warships, and this is just replacing the navy's existing plans to add more destroyers.

 

[Rational Poster]

Lol, and there's another example of you making an ass of yourself because you didn't bother reading. Every military power's navy has modern warships, and this is just replacing the navy's existing plans to add more destroyers.

No it's not just replacing the existing plan, that's just something you just made up. For the price of one of these ships, which won't ever be built, we can build more than 5 destroyers.

This is just some bullshit the people around him came up with to placate this sundowning loser.

 

[44nutman]

We do have the proposed armament of the ship:

Trump Battleship Will be Largest Surface Combatant Since WWII - USNI News

The centerpiece of the Trump administration’s revamp of the U.S. Navy is the largest surface combatant America will build since World War II. The U.S. Navy will buy two new “battleships” as part of the “Golden Fleet” effort, President Donald Trump, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Navy...

news.usni.org

12 launch cells for a proposed hypersonic missile which isn't even on the drawing boards yet, 128 standard missile launch cells, and a bunch of railguns & lasers which are all still computer renderings. This is literally less than the armament of 2 Burke class destroyers which have 96 launch cells each. This stupid ship is 4 fucking times the displacement of a Burke DDG with only ~1.5 times more firepower, and unlike an aircraft carrier or amphibious assault ship there's nothing it can do which other ships can't.

Holy shit we are led by a fucking moron that has no adult around him to talk him out of stupid fucking ideas.
I will say it again any President from FDR and prior wanting to build that ship, fine. Any President after FDR wanting to build that ship is dumb and anyone who thinks it’s a great idea is either a troll or a cult member. No wonder the world is laughing at how dumb as a country we have become.

 

[nostradumbass]

No it's not just replacing the existing plan, that's just something you just made up. For the price of one of these ships, which won't ever be built, we can build more than 5 destroyers.

This is just some bullshit the people around him came up with to placate this sundowning loser.

Lol, you can't stop stepping in shit. US Naval Institute News should have consulted the winner of the prestigious worst poster in the WR award, apparently.


Trump-class battleships are officially planned to replace the U.S. Navy’s next-generation destroyer program as of late December 2025

The new ships will replace the Navy’s next-generation DDG(X) program, which was projected to be about half the size of this proposed battleship.

Trump Battleship Will be Largest Surface Combatant Since WWII - USNI News

The centerpiece of the Trump administration’s revamp of the U.S. Navy is the largest surface combatant America will build since World War II. The U.S. Navy will buy two new “battleships” as part of the “Golden Fleet” effort, President Donald Trump, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Navy...

news.usni.org