International "Trump-class Battleships"

[cottagecheesefan]

Gonna step away from my previous post and just ask this question: Who is the most dangerous naval threat and potential opponent?

The answer of course is China.

China is building a deep water navy at an ungodly pace. It has something like 100x the ship building capacity that the US does. The counter point is these are low quality ships that don't match our current capabilities. The reality is twofold:

1) They are rapidly catching up.
2) Quantity has a quality of its own.

Everyone recognizes that drones are the future of warfare. Most people think of aerial platforms when we talk drones but submersible drones would make the most sense to me. I have read the previous posts about size, capacity, and range making this impractical but I disagree. I think we could build some Seadoo-sized deplorable drones with a 500nm range pretty easily. And I wonder how many of those we can produce OUTSIDE OF OUR CURRENT SHIP BUILDING PORTS in lieu of a battleship?

Im reminded of my experiences in GWOT where we were using $1M missiles to blow up $100 tents. In large scale combat operations we already know we do not have the stocks to maintain long term operations.

Sounds like it will have some anti drone tech as well.

 

[Seano]

Wouldn't be better if those billions went to shipyards to build useful ships? Instead of ineffective behemoths just because they're big and shiny and look good with the overlord name on it?

Define useful. You don't think the US needs a navy?

 

[Stoic1]

China is not building a deep water navy, the overwhelming majority of their ships have under 1000km range.

It is a coastal navy not a deep sea navy. Despite the quantity of ships they're still trailing in overall tonnage.

Putting men on boats doesn't mean you have a navy. A navy requires decades and even centuries of shared experience and developing that into the necessary tactics and traditions.

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AI response...

China is rapidly expanding its naval capabilities, transitioning toward a global blue-water navy with a focus on long-range operations, advanced shipbuilding, and strategic infrastructure. The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is increasing its fleet size, with projections of 395 ships in 2025 and up to 435 by 2030, while also developing advanced platforms like the Type 076 amphibious assault ship and nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. This expansion is supported by a growing submarine fleet, with estimates suggesting China could reach 80 submarines by 2035, and a network of overseas ports and bases that enhance its global reach.

• Fleet Expansion and Shipbuilding: China’s shipbuilding rate is among the fastest in the world, with over 40 destroyers, more than 50 frigates, around 60 submarines, and multiple amphibious assault ships in service. The country is adding approximately six submarines annually, and shipyards like Jiangnan Changxing and Dalian are simultaneously constructing multiple ship types.
• Submarine and Underwater Capabilities: China is advancing its subsurface fleet, with plans to grow its submarine force to 80 units by 2035. The PLAN is also investing in anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and developing unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) for reconnaissance and surveillance, though the maturity of these technologies remains uncertain.
• Strategic Infrastructure and Bases: China is establishing a global network of strategic ports through the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), including Gwadar Port in Pakistan, Hambantota in Sri Lanka, Piraeus in Greece, and Djibouti, which serve both commercial and military purposes. Additionally, the Ream Naval Base in Cambodia is being expanded to support naval operations.
• Regional and Global Operations: The PLAN conducts regular operations in the Western Pacific, East China Sea, Philippine Sea, and contested waters, with exercises near Taiwan simulating blockade and precision strike scenarios. The April 2025 Strait Thunder drills included rehearsals for attacks on Taiwan’s energy and port infrastructure.
• International Collaboration: China continues to support naval development in allied nations, such as the recent launch of Pakistan’s fourth Hangor-class submarine, Ghazi, built in China under a transfer-of-technology agreement, highlighting deepening military cooperation.

As of December 2025, China’s naval buildup is a central element of its national strategy, driven by a vision of global maritime influence and military-civilian fusion, with the ultimate goal of achieving a fully capable blue-water navy by 2050.

Now, get fukt, turd.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Has a president ever been narcissistic enough to try and put his fucking name on anything while in office let alone everything the way this train wreck has ?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

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AI response...

China is rapidly expanding its naval capabilities, transitioning toward a global blue-water navy with a focus on long-range operations, advanced shipbuilding, and strategic infrastructure. The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is increasing its fleet size, with projections of 395 ships in 2025 and up to 435 by 2030, while also developing advanced platforms like the Type 076 amphibious assault ship and nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. This expansion is supported by a growing submarine fleet, with estimates suggesting China could reach 80 submarines by 2035, and a network of overseas ports and bases that enhance its global reach.

• Fleet Expansion and Shipbuilding: China’s shipbuilding rate is among the fastest in the world, with over 40 destroyers, more than 50 frigates, around 60 submarines, and multiple amphibious assault ships in service. The country is adding approximately six submarines annually, and shipyards like Jiangnan Changxing and Dalian are simultaneously constructing multiple ship types.
• Submarine and Underwater Capabilities: China is advancing its subsurface fleet, with plans to grow its submarine force to 80 units by 2035. The PLAN is also investing in anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and developing unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) for reconnaissance and surveillance, though the maturity of these technologies remains uncertain.
• Strategic Infrastructure and Bases: China is establishing a global network of strategic ports through the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), including Gwadar Port in Pakistan, Hambantota in Sri Lanka, Piraeus in Greece, and Djibouti, which serve both commercial and military purposes. Additionally, the Ream Naval Base in Cambodia is being expanded to support naval operations.
• Regional and Global Operations: The PLAN conducts regular operations in the Western Pacific, East China Sea, Philippine Sea, and contested waters, with exercises near Taiwan simulating blockade and precision strike scenarios. The April 2025 Strait Thunder drills included rehearsals for attacks on Taiwan’s energy and port infrastructure.
• International Collaboration: China continues to support naval development in allied nations, such as the recent launch of Pakistan’s fourth Hangor-class submarine, Ghazi, built in China under a transfer-of-technology agreement, highlighting deepening military cooperation.

As of December 2025, China’s naval buildup is a central element of its national strategy, driven by a vision of global maritime influence and military-civilian fusion, with the ultimate goal of achieving a fully capable blue-water navy by 2050.

Now, get fukt, turd.

Aircraft/drone carriers and the destroyers that protect them as still the most powerful military tool. Just look at what we were doing to Venezuela right meow.

China knows this and keeps flexing their carriers in the pacific

 

[Rational Poster]

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AI response...

China is rapidly expanding its naval capabilities, transitioning toward a global blue-water navy with a focus on long-range operations, advanced shipbuilding, and strategic infrastructure. The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is increasing its fleet size, with projections of 395 ships in 2025 and up to 435 by 2030, while also developing advanced platforms like the Type 076 amphibious assault ship and nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. This expansion is supported by a growing submarine fleet, with estimates suggesting China could reach 80 submarines by 2035, and a network of overseas ports and bases that enhance its global reach.

• Fleet Expansion and Shipbuilding: China’s shipbuilding rate is among the fastest in the world, with over 40 destroyers, more than 50 frigates, around 60 submarines, and multiple amphibious assault ships in service. The country is adding approximately six submarines annually, and shipyards like Jiangnan Changxing and Dalian are simultaneously constructing multiple ship types.
• Submarine and Underwater Capabilities: China is advancing its subsurface fleet, with plans to grow its submarine force to 80 units by 2035. The PLAN is also investing in anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and developing unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) for reconnaissance and surveillance, though the maturity of these technologies remains uncertain.
• Strategic Infrastructure and Bases: China is establishing a global network of strategic ports through the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), including Gwadar Port in Pakistan, Hambantota in Sri Lanka, Piraeus in Greece, and Djibouti, which serve both commercial and military purposes. Additionally, the Ream Naval Base in Cambodia is being expanded to support naval operations.
• Regional and Global Operations: The PLAN conducts regular operations in the Western Pacific, East China Sea, Philippine Sea, and contested waters, with exercises near Taiwan simulating blockade and precision strike scenarios. The April 2025 Strait Thunder drills included rehearsals for attacks on Taiwan’s energy and port infrastructure.
• International Collaboration: China continues to support naval development in allied nations, such as the recent launch of Pakistan’s fourth Hangor-class submarine, Ghazi, built in China under a transfer-of-technology agreement, highlighting deepening military cooperation.

As of December 2025, China’s naval buildup is a central element of its national strategy, driven by a vision of global maritime influence and military-civilian fusion, with the ultimate goal of achieving a fully capable blue-water navy by 2050.

Now, get fukt, turd.

Literally nothing of this slop disproves what I said, if anything it reinforces it. lmao

 

[Milgrim]

They may not be the answer to dealing with China, but they may help resolve this pesky Greenland issue once and for all.

 

[KaNesDeath]

On brand, WELLACKTUALLY.MEME

Its true though. Their navy primarily consists of small patrol boats. Overall their range is quite limited.

Logistically their navy didnt and still doesnt have the supply chain capabilities to aid in the Gulf of Aden/Red Sea when commercial shipping was being attacked.

 

[Stoic1]

Its true though. Their navy primarily consists of small patrol boats. Overall their range is quite limited.

Logistically their navy didnt and still doesnt have the supply chain capabilities to aid in the Gulf of Aden/Red Sea when commercial shipping was being attacked.

You are looking at TODAY and completely discounting tomorrow. You completely ignored my last post of their projected capabilities in 2030 and 2050. Much like every military strategist trying to fight the last war instead of the next one

 

[Prefect]

I wish our President wasn't a retard.

I wish just for retards to not support him.

 

[Rational Poster]

You are looking at TODAY and completely discounting tomorrow. You completely ignored my last post of their projected capabilities in 2030 and 2050. Much like every military strategist trying to fight the last war instead of the next one

Also thanks for proving my point from the other night, you are not equipped to have any honest conversation with me. At first contact you ran to AI to tell you what to think, lmao.

 

[Prefect]

Which AC casinos haven't gone bankrupt? That's a long list do you keep that ready in a handy little folder or did you type it up from memory?

He doesn't own or run those. People just pay to use his brand.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

Grow up already. Billions going to US shipyards is more important than your derangement.

The best thing is, you know I was telling the truth months ago about many things on Epstein and trump, and he wasn't, and in the back of your head, you know it's true, after years of you covering for him.

 

[aerius]

Define useful. You don't think the US needs a navy?

Does the US need a navy? Yes. Which then leads to the question of what is the US navy supposed to do, and what capabilities are needed in order to carry out those tasks? What threat(s) is the USN expected to counter in the next 20-30 years and how does a giant missile ship fit into it? I can't think of anything plausible this proposed ship can do which can't be done for the same cost or less with 2-4 smaller vessels. A couple Burke class destroyers will have more missile tubes than this thing, as will 3-4 of the latest Chinese & Russian frigates. The proposed missile ship isn't heavily armoured either like a real battleship so it's not going to be any more survivable than other ships, it's a big, fat, and relatively fragile target.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I'm sure this fuckhead sat down with the engineers to redraw the stealth components.

What a fucking joke.

Can't have it being ugly.

 

[Sweater of AV]

I wish just for retards to not support him.

Observe this thread...

 

[KaNesDeath]

You are looking at TODAY and completely discounting tomorrow. You completely ignored my last post of their projected capabilities in 2030 and 2050. Much like every military strategist trying to fight the last war instead of the next one

Tomorrows global threat of China isnt military related, its economy based.

 

[Stoic1]

Tomorrows global threat of China isnt military related, its economy based.

Oh. Okay. Let's ignore their massive Navy build up then.

 

[BlankaPresident]

Define useful. You don't think the US needs a navy?

US probably needs a navy.

Useful = ships that are not in a class that has been obsolete for at least half a century.
Not useful = ships being constructed just because they're big.

Hope that helps.

 

[Stoic1]

Also thanks for proving my point from the other night, you are not equipped to have any honest conversation with me. At first contact you ran to AI to tell you what to think, lmao.

I felt it was the only medium you could comprehend.

Do you need articles?

https://www.newsweek.com/china-shipbuilding-fishing-coast-guard-navy-1841367

China's navy is expanding at breakneck speed - and catching up with the US

Beijing's shipbuilding capacity is 200 times that of the US, an expert says, calling the scale "extraordinary".

www.bbc.com

The breakneck speed of China's shipbuilding: How Chinese Navy is preparing to operate anywhere across the globe

China's military modernization is rapidly advancing, demonstrated by the Fujian aircraft carrier's transit through the Taiwan Strait. The nation boasts the world's largest navy and is significantly expanding its air force and ground forces with modern equipment. Increased defense spending and a...

m.economictimes.com

China building a powerful blue water navy - Asia Times

The development of four or more aircraft carriers is only natural in order to satisfy China’s burgeoning national security needs, Chinese military

asiatimes.com

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/01/asia/china-navy-overseas-military-bases-intl-hnk-ml

China’s Global Maritime Ambitions 10,000 Miles Beyond Taiwan

By midcentury, China wants to achieve naval power that spans the globe.

www.usni.org

Do you need more?

I can keep going.

You need to take the L and move on, son.

As a reminder...this was your post:


"
Rational Poster said:
China is not building a deep water navy, the overwhelming majority of their ships have under 1000km range.

It is a coastal navy not a deep sea navy. Despite the quantity of ships they're still trailing in overall tonnage."

Like I said, get fukt- you are wrong.